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Phil
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There are already enough yuri drama about love is separated by human life span. In Alice x Marisa doujins. Let's go with a happy ending, will you Nishi?

I'm sorry if it's because of Alzheimer's, but aren't you forgetting about the pain that is Mokou x Keine and Sakuya x Remilia?
T_T

last edited at Jul 13, 2015 1:35PM

Phil
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joined Dec 14, 2014

I wonder Praha will ever be able to communicate how important Chika is to her... not just returning a gift

Let's say that her just returning a gift because it's a social norm and 'what you do' wouldn't actually have anything to do with caring for other people. If you only do something because it is a law or a custom, you disregard your own wishes and the wishes of the people affected by your action. All of that you take out of the equation. This would be just going through the motions, maybe befitting of a robot although it surfaces in a lot of what people do every day.

Suppose Hiro does it to actually reciprocate (she did receive a kiss - but on the lips. How could she get this important detail wrong?), then this has to do with one of the principles of a good relationships or ethics: reciprocity or, simple put, fairness. You know, tit for tat; you do it so you don't get into trouble, because you don't wan't to be disrespectful, because they would be sad if you didn't and, of course, because most of the time they'll be overjoyed because of the present and, maybe much more so, by knowing that you actually care enough about them to treat them fairly. This is why we usually don't fuck people over.

When Hiro gave the ribbons to Chika in chapter two, it wasn't to reciprocate as it wasn't a return present but because she was 'sure Chika-chan wanted this ribbon'. I can't certainly speak for everybody, but I give presents because I like it when it makes the people I give them to happy. And I like that because of empathy, the second principle of ethics: I'm able to share in other people's feelings. We don't know if that was the reason Hiro did it, but it could be the reason.

We are empathic beings and love because out ancestors lived in environments that weeded out the individuals who weren't and who couldn't. This is our programming and hard-coded into us by mirror neurons, which make us feel what other beings feel, be it pleasure or pain. Most of this works by interpreting facial expressions. Hiro's ability doesn't have the same origin, but that shouldn't matter. Why we have to do it doesn't matter, neither we nor Hiro can change our innate programming. We are capable of wanting to be with specific people and to make sure they are happy and maybe this is a sufficient paraphrase of the concept of loving someone. Should Hiro ever change her priorities to 'Be with Hiro and make sure she is happy', you wouldn't be able to tell her love from the love a living person experiences and displays. Judging from the fact that everything Chika is important to Hiro, it would be safe to say that Hiro actually cares for her and her well-being is connected to Hiro's own Grals and whatever results from the discrepancy of those and reality, which wie could call emotions. The fact that Hiro's love is programmed shouldn't necessarily make it worse than what is run on our meaty hardware.

Maybe one could say that something like a 'soul' was missing and required for Hiro to be a real person and for her love to be real. This is the actual point of contention, which can't really be resolved because we wouldn't know if there is no soul and that is why the soul is usually often dismissed. Leaving the concepts of materialism, dualism and idealism aside, you should probably ask whether or not Hiro is aware of her existence. Although that is a really good question as far as real AI is concerned, given the fact that Hiro provides commentary in this story, she is necessarily a conscious being and any affection she feels is real to her and deserves moral consideration. Let's see if it's going to be sisterly, parental or romantic love.

tl;dr
Longwinded ramblings about the origins of empathy and what it could be to robots

last edited at Jul 13, 2015 1:35PM

Phil
2x2-shinobuden-m001
joined Dec 14, 2014

There are more manga like this one‽ If you don't mind, what are they called?

There is Linkage, which has a similar setting with a more involved onee-san scientist and it isn't so focused on A.I. Sadly, it's only a one-shot.

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/linkage

I won't spoil anything!

Thank you. Still, you could use spoiler tags.

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Phil
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joined Dec 14, 2014

this story make me questioning more about artificial feeling.. does Hiro-chan feeling (memory) towards Chika-chan can easily erased like I erase data from my phone memory..?

-and there's come the angst story-

Well, basically yes. But the same is true for our biological brains. It's just that the delete function has other triggers, e.g. Alzheimer's disease or injuries.

I'm really looking forward to see where this goes. I don't think the way Hiro works and perceives the world is much different to how humans work, it's just that her programming is less complete and she has more adapting to do. She doesn't look like a philosophical zombie to me.

last edited at Jul 13, 2015 2:02AM

2x2-shinobuden-m001
joined Dec 14, 2014

I'm the same!

melts or citadelled

last edited at Jul 12, 2015 4:23PM

Phil
Lily Love discussion 11 Jul 11:00
2x2-shinobuden-m001
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Mew used 'Woo'. It's super-effective.

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Some choice words about the quality of the anime but I can't say they are unwarranted.

Phil
Image Comments 10 Jul 07:47
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On the contrary, it could push the tsun girl to take more initiative and go more daring and dere I think.

This would be great!

Phil
New Game discussion 09 Jul 14:21
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More toyama x yagami. I'm very pleased!

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Seeing Zafira reminds me of how much I wish Arf reappeared in ViVid. They were basically reduced to being pets.

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Umi, better tie her down so she can't run off under someone else's umbrella anymore!

Thank you very much for scanlating these. i'm enjoying them immensely.

Phil
Magan&Danai discussion 08 Jul 00:58
2x2-shinobuden-m001
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^
Maybe somewhere in here? http://dynasty-scans.com/anthologies/perfume_of_love

I could swear there was an internal monologue like that in Perfume of Love or Love Flicker.

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joined Dec 14, 2014

Hey Everyone! It's seem the new update about Yellow+Purple squid form eromame twitter just post the next part not so long ago!
https://twitter.com/ermame26/status/617328148447780864/photo/1

Being so up-front is truly unfair. Poor purple squid. :(

Phil
Image Comments 07 Jul 07:36
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Yuuna, where do you think you're looking? No wonder Tougo is blushing.

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Phil
Image Comments 06 Jul 12:49
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That pout! Kotori looks totally soft and fluffy.

Phil
Image Comments 06 Jul 12:14
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Maki looks downright mesmerized.

Phil
Image Comments 05 Jul 15:43
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Can't tell if blushing or self-combustion.

Phil
Hirame discussion 05 Jul 15:39
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Can't wait for their doujin to be translated, although most of them seem a tad bit angsty.

Phil
Image Comments 05 Jul 04:06
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Great lineart!

Phil
Image Comments 04 Jul 05:06
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Match the unmatchable? row row

Phil
Image Comments 04 Jul 03:43
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So this is how you assert dominance in Russia? I see, Eri.

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Judging from the first two chapters, I thought we would only get Akari's perspective. But I welcome that the narration also gives Rintarou's and Yuki's thoughts.

On a rather sour sidenote:
I feel that everything about future plot developments should go into spoiler tags.

Even if it's only there being a time-skip, the confirmation of Yuki being manipulative or a rather open ending.

It's been happening rather often recently and I really hesitated to read the comments because I feared there might be untagged spoilers and now I partly blame myself for actually thinking today might be opposite day.

Just bringing it to your attention, no hard feelings.

2x2-shinobuden-m001
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Wow, that was great. Oh, how wonderful it felt to play truant.

Phil
Stretch discussion 02 Jul 00:44
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'I will conquer all my desires!'

Be on the watch Keiko.

Well, it could also mean she's working on getting over Keiko.

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Father, how horrible! What if mother found out?