Nya-chan posted:

Nuhu... lesbian porn is not yuri.

Nezchan posted:

As I said, some individuals have their own personal definitions.

No no, lesbian porn only when it's real people, in manga it's always yuri unless it involve a penis, unless the penis belongs to the girl, than it can be called yuri, althought it's not yuri but futa.
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Nezchan posted:

Shoujo Ai should refer to stuff like Oshikko Sensei and that hung like a horse one.

+1 to make a tag just for toddlercon with that name.

That's not a bad idea...

Nezchan posted:

It's a lot more simple and straightforward if we just stick to "yuri" anyways since the distinction between what people consider shoujo ai and yuri varies greatly depending on where you go.

Not even that, a lot of individual people seem to have their own personal definitions.

Yuri can be anything involving two close girls, just lesbian, just subtext, or nothing at all, yuri potential is endless.

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Norainhere posted:

Sorry, what I meant was that what westerners call shoujo ai is the same thing, right?

Yes and no, they also tag as shoujo ai things that are just subtext instead of yuri, so shoujo ai is not always yuri, but sometimes is yuri.

Nya-chan posted:

it's what some people decided to call some kind of yuri-light. That label is randomly applied to some stories that are labeled yuri in other places so it's hard to make head or tail of it. So let's stick to yuri and let's forget about that other label.

This, we should start the yuri revolution!

Norainhere posted:

one thing we can hopefully agree on is that shoujo ai and yuri are the same thing

none posted:

Our topic, however, is the nested box.

moguTL posted:

Everything can change depending on your reference frame.

Which is why I talked about the bigger box, the small box inside becomes meaningless if the bigger box changes it's result.

Nya-chan posted:

That's how the yuri wave function collapsed in Stretch.

We read it to the end, the box was opened, and yuri was, indeed, dead.

It's all Shou fault, he's the harbinger of the yuri apocalipse.

Nevri posted:

I don't remember how it started, but now I want it to end. Seriously go and make new thread or stop now (and I mean everyone taking part in discussion). From 8 pages, 5 are about true meaning of Yuri.

Nya-chan posted:

But we can never really know the true form of yuri. We are in a dark cave, and only seeing an image of yuri projected from a computer screen.

I'm not sure Plato mixes well with quantum physics.

Yuri is everywhere and nowhere, it always existed and will always exist, it's beyond our understanding, we cannot grasp the true form of yuri.

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none posted:

So if yuri suffers Schrodinger's Homosexuality does that mean the box is an analogy for japan and their homophobic mentality rooted in their society and opening the box, which kills the cat, represents their resistance to the fact that homosexual relationships are normal and their insistence with excuse that it goes against their culture, traditions and family values by trying to prevent any attempt to give gays their rights?

The box is manga. You have to open it and read to the end to see if the yuri is alive or not.

But manga is nothing more than a box inside a bigger box called society.

So if yuri suffers Schrodinger's Homosexuality does that mean the box is an analogy for japan and their homophobic mentality rooted in their society and opening the box, which kills the cat, represents their resistance to the fact that homosexual relationships are normal and their insistence with excuse that it goes against their culture, traditions and family values by trying to prevent any attempt to give gays their rights?

My theory is that when a girl becomes futa or if they're born futa, they develop internal testicles near their ovaries with sperm resistant to higher temperatures so it won't die inside their body, I also have theory that characters who produce inhuman quantities of semen and milk, or any other fluid, have a slighter different biology, instead of exhaling air like us their body takes the exhaled carbon dioxide and converts it into any necessary fluid during sex, since that would require a lot of energy that makes any extra fat in their body to be used to produce the required energy, that's why girls and guys are pretty much always fit with perfect bodies, in case of fat guys, normally delicious fat rapists, they're fat exactly because they need to replace all the fat used during that process... Maybe I thought about that a little too much?

Haha, Schrodinger's Homosexuality, I like it, though I have to admit this manga is way more gay than any other slice of life I remember, I can totally see that Ichinose desire for breasts is because she's gay instead of simple envy, really, if any slice of life have chance of becoming yuri is definitely this one, specially because Tomekichi did a lot of yaoi trap before, there's hope!

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Sorry but just because they kiss don't mean anything, it's not a big deal for them, it's true that this manga is very gay but like you said all homosexual acts and insinuations are gags and nothing more, maybe they will become a couple later but until that happens it don't matter how gay they act because they're not gay.

And I agree with Nevri, maybe make a thread to continue this discussion, the thread was derailed enough.

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I believe the manga this thread belongs to, Swap ⇔ Swap, is another perfect example of manga some people think is yuri, it's even tagged as such but in practice it's not really yuri, just a moe slice of life about two girls changing bodies with one having breast envy, some mentioned how gay she is but the only reason she acts like that is for her lack of assets not because she's attracted to girls.

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https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=99100

Thanks!

From what manga is that image machigai kouhai?

Please google it for further information, I don't want to sound mean but this really isn't the place for this type of talk :P

I have to disagree, after all kinds of things we discussed and talked about in Dynasty, some pretty strange and unexpected for a site mostly focused in yuri and lesbian fiction, in my opinion this in indeed the place to talk about hymens xp

Try watching Kashimashi Girl meets Girl , Sasameki Koto , Aoi Hana , those are also some great yuri and shoujo ai anime

Shoujo ai don't have anything to do with Yuri

Honestly you're forgetting some very important anime -Sweet Blue Flowers, Yuri Yuri, Love Live, Strawberry Panic, and Maria Watches Over Us.

Maria is Class S, not Yuri

I'm not sure about that, shounen, shoujo, seinen, josei and others are pretty much treated as genres nowadays instead of demographic.

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Show me Shounen that doesn't heavily focus on power of friendship.

Touche.

But according to japan female friendship is a genre, because young girls are not really girls but an asexual inhuman creature that can act super gay without being gay and only when they're older they'll be really female, so they need to find a man to have children when that time come, before that any love is fake and should be discarded, specially for another girl, if it's a guy it's okay though because it's real then, so they need to make a lot of mangas with super gay girls that are not really gay to teach that's normal for straight girls and that no, all that feelings and emotion they have are platonic instead of real romantic and sexual attraction for the same sex because they're not really female yet so they can't be gay and when they grow up and become a real woman they want The D a guy.

Friendship doesn't get a genre dedicated to it.

cough shounen cough

But friendship is just one aspect, main purpose is bland characters for self insert because real life in japan sucks

And if anything the only genre I think that could be more about friendship is slice of life.

But really, for me yuri is relationship between lesbians like yaoi is for gay man, anything else is fucking bullshit : X

Still bullshit though, because when it's yaoi everyone is 100% sure the characters are gay, but yuri? Noooooooo, they're not always gay, they just act gay.

Althought we can't always be sure a manga we call yuri really is yuri, pretty much all mangas that end in subtext are from magazines that are not yuri and not promoted as such either, Yuyushiki for example, the mangaka did yuri before and even other characters suspect something happens, but it's published in Kirara and one of the girls is in an arranged marriage too, it's pretty much always slice of life that teases us, it's only a few that have male characters that act gayish, most of the time it is a male and female main characters and it's pretty sure they will become a couple, but when it's only female characters they pretty much tease yuri fans to sell more, sometimes I suspect that in a lot of those mangas they wanted it to go full gay but the publishers don't let them do it, right now I can remember two from Kirara that are indeed yuri, The Last Uniform and Kanamemo, althought in Kanamemo I don't know if it really is yuri, if the main character don't end up with that girl that likes her would it really be a yuri manga or just a slice of life with lesbian side couple?

I second that Serenata, a lot of those series that end in subtext at least one of the girls could easily say she's lesbian but it always end as het friendship, because you know, it's normal for straight girls to be extremely gay with each other, on #Nohomo, worst offender in that is Nanoha, it's pretty much unspoken canon that Nanoha and Fate are a couple, sure yuri is not the focus, but it feels they never outright say it just to sell merchandise to male otaku that want them as waifu, Love Live is other, the writter is female and did yuri before, if anything at least Maki x Nico is pretty much canon, they sing about each other, their duet is about mutual attraction, the valentine day pics they give chocolate to each other while other girls give to unknown person.

Nevertheless, here yuri is defined as “the overdone affection between two girls peculiar to girls in puberty,” adding that it is “a limited-time pseudo love”

"pseudo love" because you know, girls can't love girls, really, japanese should stop with this bullshit and make a magazine that is explicity for lesbian stories, sigh.

They don't kiss in Free, though. Point is, if this was het or even yaoi with the same setup, nobody would even get the idea of them not being a couple in the end.

True, I hate how they insist on making female characters act super close and extremely gay and then come with bullshit that it's normal friendship while here in the west we can't see anyting except obvious atraction between them, Hibike Euphonium is worst offender in that, only in japan to have that stupid value dissonance, it's not even this manga but pretty much all mangas here that are just subtext, if you change them to het or yaoi pretty much everyone would be 100% sure the characters would end up together, seriously, because of this kind of bullshit and many others that sometimes I can't help but really hate japan, sigh.

Good to know I'm not the only one doing this...

That's probably a lot more common than we think iwi

I don't think science babies are impossible, we see in another story in the same world that a girl without animal ears have supernatural powers, all we see is their relationship, we don't really know anything about the world except gay marriage is normal in this country, so as far as we know they might have some form of functional magic that is not common, maybe they have some magic, technology or magitek that make possible homossexual reproduction, it give vibes that it's a pretty utopic world where japan is not patriarchal so they probably don't care about bloodlines, they either adopt or have a semen bank to make the gay couples have a child in case they don't have science babies, not to mention we only see female gay couples, if gay marriage is common for both genders then they probably just adopt, what we can be sure is that Itou would probably not put in the story that one of the girls need to be impregnated by a guy, her stories are too fluffy to take that turn, if this is ongoing then depending on how many chapters it'll be we might get some info on what they do, but chances are that we'll never know what they really do because all the focus is their relationships, maybe she never thought about what they do and that's why she don't gives more info about the world.

Yeah, butchering someone else's work is real "original".

But then, that's what they did to Power Rangers, right?

Well that's how things work sometimes, don't have talent to create something original? Buy the rights of something made in another country, "adapt" as much as you can to be different from the original version, if in your country pretty much no one knows how it really is then it's done, you have a "original" work to sell.

They pretty much just changed the names, right?

It seens they made a lot more changes, there's not much information so only when they release to know how much really changed, aaaaand I didn't really read or search much about it so maybe it's not bad as I say, I just looked at some comments about it, ooops...

Did they made a lot of changes in Sailor Moon or was basically names and lesbian cousins?

Yeah, they totally went Saban/Harmony Gold on it. Which is a bit crappy for fans of the series I imagine.

I made a quick search and it actually is made by Saban, them and Harmony are the only ones who do this kind of thing?

netflix original, lol

Well, they made so many changes that it's pretty much "original" now, at least it's not Smile Precure anymore, they also cut 8 episodes aparently.

I don't remember anyone mentioning it, but in case someone don't know, now we're going to have Smile Precure on Netflix, except they completely changed it like it was done to Sailor Moon, I doubt we're going to have lesbian cousins this time though...

But not everything they call shoujo ai is yuri, some are just subtext, it's more or less what I tried to say but I guess I should have been more clear.

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