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KatzeDerNacht
Citrus discussion 18 Jul 22:12
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Ahh, finally out!!! I for once, am happy that it is finally ending, I want to see how things will unfold!! The squad supporting Yuzu was cute, Mei being Mei..was normal, I don't know why people keep getting upset :P

I am pleased to see this ending on a good note! (hopefully)

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People getting all fluffed about fictional drawings. As expected.

KatzeDerNacht
Yuru Yuri discussion 13 Jul 14:34
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10/10 I ship these too, teachers, the girls, all of them si

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Didn't get depressed, got confused... Hmmm

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Wow, Yuuna (Shio's mom, I'm bad with names) she was really fucked up, i mean, she surely had a terrible run.

Sato's auntie...dat woman is mad as fuck, gotta love her.

I read all the new releases in one sitting, didn't even go to pee, god this is s good, I wonder how good the anime will be.

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Hahaha it was cute!!! not even that lewd!! awww, special LOL @ the game

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Won't complain cos it's a happy end :P today is not a day for drama for me

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Ohhh..sudden art style shift!

KatzeDerNacht
Citrus discussion 18 Jun 14:44
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Eh, wait a moment, what is this revenge Matsuri talks about? :O

-just re-read it-

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I'm not complaining, it looks fun already and I will be looking forward to the anime. :)

KatzeDerNacht
Citrus discussion 17 Jun 19:46
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Ok well... I think the response from the parents is to be expected...maybe it's all a bit too smooth but on the other hand...we need to see what happens, I wonder what could Mei's dad do here mmmm. It was kind of obvious for everyone tho, so it's logical no one is really surprised.

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Why Manga has censored tender regions but it can show the insides? O.o

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I don't exactly approve but... bullying is annoying it is, she was a bit too violent but..what's with that reaction from Rei? xD Yandere alright but happy ending :D

PS In real life it'd be quite a sick relationship xD

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I liked the idea, it's different, I suspected the end, "let's go out cos there's no more options" lol, I once kept dating this girl cos I thought it was my last chance so, i totally get it xD

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Ahh Satou is feeling bad for killing someone! what a novelty!! I like that, she's not totally deranged then!!

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A mix of Yuzumori, not holding back and Happy sugar Life without all the murder.

I approve xD, it's too silly to be disturbing

KatzeDerNacht
Citrus discussion 21 May 12:25
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@AozTkM

I don't have a great knowledge, probably less than some posters here. But, I am surprised how some readers here misread Yuzu's character since she has a very serious way to name her love for Mei. When she said I love you to Mei, she used "Suki Da yo" in chapters 16 and 33. The romantic way to express love between two lovers.

In chapter 36, the Japanese title has 愛してる, Ai shiteru. Here, it's serious business, you never say that except when you're very seriously involved and picture yourself in a kind of love that is forever.

So, Yuzu's Japanese way to express her love increases in seriousness, it's not a teenage crush in the wording.

Mei never uses suki, she's abstract in her letter, she uses omoi ("my feeling for you" but Mei always uses a deflected way to express things, she's not direct), the noun to talk about the feeling but never explicitly talk about the feeling of love directed toward Yuzu. "I was allowed to honestly love you" she just uses a word about honest feelings, feeling honestly (without restraint).

Interesting, she mentions the way she thought she was allowed ... the same word than in chapter 38 when Sara talks about it ("i am not allowed to ask anything", so what can be seen as a redundant conversation points toward something in Mei's mind). The sentence " I fell for you to a point in no return" has でいっぱい. Here again, the love word isn't here, it's more "to be full of someone".

In fact, the author is very subtle and the wording she uses for each character is very enlightening and show a real degree of mastery. Much more than people here give her account. She has a bigger picture in her writing than we can think. She also uses many echoes, some words resonate from one chapter to another one separated sometimes by a volume. And indeed, characters' complexity is lost in translation.

Talking about context, you are right. In fact, there is a great number of speeches, in the manga, that can have different interpretations.

Last but not least, let's take the grandfather's words in volume 1.

Japanese: それから芽衣お前もしばらくの間は自分の意思で行動しなさい
(You can do as you please/forget about me for a short while, for some time)
English translation by Yuri Project: You should do what you want to do and not worry about me"
Official one: it's time for you and you alone to decide how to live your life

But しばらくの間 means for a short while. That's why the author left a note saying reading in retrospect the manga allowed to see new things. I don't think it was just an awkward way to explain things people missed because Japanese perfectly understood the "for a short time" implication of the grandfather's words.

And here, many readers just thought the grandfather forgot about his promise when he never said to Mei she could do what she wanted forever. And Mei knew about that ... so it can shade a new light on some previous volumes. How a simple word ("for a short time"), forgotten cause it seemed, some years ago, a detail, is important with what happened in volume 9.

To conclude, I think the manga is subtler than we can say without of course making it a masterpiece in the writing and the plot department, there are flaws.

But, it's clear, as good as translations are, this subtlety is lost because, as you said, there are so many different ways to express something in Japanese for which English has only one or two words.

It's always interesting to try to have the original meaning in mind and dig a little to see beyond appearance.

@sadhomu82 : in the chapter, the team translated Sara's sentence about a "citrus event". She uses ゅずぽっちのイべントに当たって so it's related to Yuzubocchi's event. (ゅずぽっち). I guess the correction was made.

I read every single word, absolutely brilliant,it does sheds light on aspects, I personally hadn't quite grasped and makes me rethink about the whole thing in a whole new light, oh how I wish I could properly read Japanese, but this comment, is so good, thank you random Internet person!!!

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I almost skip this one for the subtext tag... and it's turning out SO GAY, I love it

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Hooray, I need a live streamer GF in my life, that is it.

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Twincest was strong and cute here.

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I like aggressive younger women , but not to that level O_o no one is stepping on my feet! betches!

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Ok so, I read the WHOLE thing today, to have it fresh..there's an actual couple, a blooming (?) couple, an adult "couple"? and Ichinose and Natsuko who are... "friends" , and there is Aya? Ayu? I'm so bad with names, who seems to like Haruko for reals, I'd like to see more of her.

I don't really expect them to have an actual thing but it's nice to read this manga, they have plenty of cute moments and the other girls are also super cute/fun to read about.

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I'm hoping Shouko isn't dead, the wound at least didn't seem too deep, so I'm hoping perhaps Satou just did enough to knock her out. Or maybe destroy her voicebox, so she couldn't talk. I feel like I'm hoping too much, but I just want her to not be dead.

She punctured that neck, then chopped, chopped, or rather pressed pressed, aka stabbed stabbed, or was it sort of stab/cutting?

She's DEAD AS DEAD CAN BE

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I think if Shouko hadn't rejected Sato she'd be fine and alive now, but oh well, people have to die a little in this sort of title so, I kinda sorta shipped them but Sato is well you see, different so I don't think that would of worked, anyway a double feature!! I am eager to watch the anime :D and to know more about Shio, where ya came from kiddo? her weirdo ass bro and well, if more about the aunt would be revealed... she's the sickest of them all I think.

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"pure" well I guess people live as they want,but a "pure" relationships with only kisses.. no thanks. I'd pull my hair and die and go running

Other than that nice color, nice drawing.