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Purple Library Guy
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my daughter got married, and the groom's husband

sounds poly!

or "best man"?

Ooops. Groom's dad. That mistake is too priceless to correct so I will leave it.

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Well. That was dramatic.

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Well... If their relationship has no romance and/or sex thats just friendship, though she wont be able to be in a non romantic relationship anymore since she already demonstrated a gist of jealousy so non romantic relationship will end up out of the question for her.

I'm actually not sure about that, since I don't think jealousy is exclusive to romantic love.

True enough. I remember when my daughter got married, and the groom's husband was giving a little speech about how great she is and how she's the kind of person you'd want to be best friends with . . . and her best friend,yelled out "She's taken!"
The best friend is married herself and has no problem with my daughter's husband, but she'd be horrified to find that she had a friendship rival.

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That could be interesting, although I'm having doubts about the last couple of sentences there. It seems to me that a close relationship that was neither romantic nor sexual would simply be a close friendship. And even people who are both romantically and sexually inclined are mostly capable of, and do not reject the idea of, close friendships. So I'm not sure there would actually be any hardship or defiance of societal expectations involved in being an asexual aromantic who was close friends with someone.

The relationship that I'm talking about is called QPR - Queer Platonic Relationship. Calling it just a very deep friendship doesn't really capture it in my opinion, since it is very much on the same emotional level as a romantic relationship.

Um, and so this is not romantic because?
Sounds a lot like what used to be known as "storgic" love. Which is a very common kind of romantic affection. Just not the kind you typically see written about in Harlequins or shoujo romance, because it tends to lack drama.

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Or she could simply enter a close non-romantic relationship. This too would be new territory for her, since she expected to stay alone and it would include opening up to the partner, communicating what they want out of this relationship and all this stuff. She could slowly find out about other options outside of romance and how she can be happy and close to other people without having to confirm to others expectations. Isn't that also a theme in yuri mangas, that the mc learns that they can in fact defy societies expectations of a hetero marriage and instead be in a relationship with another woman? The hardship of going against the majority? Why wouldn't that be a possibility here with non-traditional relationships?

That could be interesting, although I'm having doubts about the last couple of sentences there. It seems to me that a close relationship that was neither romantic nor sexual would simply be a close friendship. And even people who are both romantically and sexually inclined are mostly capable of, and do not reject the idea of, close friendships. So I'm not sure there would actually be any hardship or defiance of societal expectations involved in being an asexual aromantic who was close friends with someone.

I think in fact that there is a noticeable difference between asexuals and aromantics on one hand, and gay, lesbian, trans and various other groups on the other, in that asexuals and aromantics have never been particularly discriminated against. In a minor, tacit sense yes--since they're a smallish minority people make inaccurate assumptions, don't talk much about their particular concerns, don't target them with advertising and so on. But nobody gets beaten up or murdered or reviled as an evil sinner for being asexual, nor have there ever been laws against not being romantic. All these things do happen to gays and lesbians and trans.

I mean, nobody's going to be un-ironically saying "Those two women living together aren't lesbians living in sin! They're just good friends! Disgusting, I tell you, somebody ought to do something about it!"

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Purple Library Guy
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I liked this chapter in some aspects, but the tropes slightly took me out of it. I can't even begin to count the number of romance stories I've read where a rainstorm triggers them sheltering in one character's house, which is followed by bathing drama. Then the author combined in the ever-prevalent "character faints in bathtub" trope, which has always been a strange one (clearly the Japanese all bathe in temperatures at the edge of human endurance).

You have to remember that manga Japanese are a very delicate bunch. Consider what happens when they catch a cold!

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If we're going to talk about what's REASONABLE, that would be quit the job and go job-hunting. Ideally ignore the CEO's kid and put everything about the place behind you, but if you run out of money, fine, go with her weird thing until you get on your feet--at least it's not viciously unethical.

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Nah, Miss me with this nonsense, I dropped at the middle of chapter 2... with such a surprise opening I had good expectations but I LOATHE lies and manipulation like that as the driving point for an entire manga! A shit mother, a shit boss in a shit company and you're going to get dragged in the floor for them? I don't want to see a slave.

Maybe at the end of ch2 or possible in the next chapter everything changes but for now I feel really disgusted to the point I can't go on, so yeah... not my thing, I'm so disappointed it went this way.

Yeah, I also stopped at mid chapter 2, and thought "This seems like something I'd hate, and kind of really stupid. Maybe the comments will say something about it picking up after that?"
Not as far as I can tell. I'm out of here.

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AAAaaaawwwwww!!!!

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It actually weirds me out when I see the name "Mahiru" and it turns out not to be half of Mahi-Mahi.

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OK, this is obviously a setting where the theme is all-important, so it feels churlish to talk about realism, but at this point I just can't look away from questions like, why are they just sending pairs of young teenage girls into the city to find their own, um, blood donors when vampire hunters are a thing? Even if they're supposed to learn how to do this stuff, shouldn't there be older, experienced, heavily armed vampires on overwatch?

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You know, I wasn't expecting to like this much. I mean, the whole tired isekai/game thing and all. But it's really quite well done.

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Why do I feel like it's going to be yuribait after read chap 5.5?

I don't know. Frankly, that one line about where she'd want to sit kind of blows that concept out of the water for me.

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Oh great a wild jackass that can't take a hint and is miserable to work with has appeared.

Welcome to the countryside, where tons of jobs are handed out due to nepotism. :/

And that's different from the city, is it?

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Gotta say I thought it was pretty funny that Virgo told on HERSELF for breaking the rules.

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Cute little kid BTW.

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I think supportive smooches would also be good. Just saying.

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Did she say she wants milk tea, with pudding, and . . . cheese?!

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Definitely a fair and relevant question.

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Does make me wonder if you can change sisters. I can’t imagine they would force you to stay with someone if you don’t get along.

You can't imagine that? In a Catholic school? In JAPAN?!
If you make a mistake you will stick it out and follow it through to the bitter end because that is tradition and admitting there was a mistake would be embarrassing!

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Aside from the clever narrative devices, I just love the way the conversation, although it kind of has a point, also just really feels like a conversation--one of those pretty awesome ones between smart people who are pretty comfortable with each other, with lots of clever off-the-wall comments and stuff.

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I kinda don't like this whole rebellion thing being caused by some random third party and not, y'know, an organic result of a genuine class conscious taking form.

don't look up what happened in russia from 1917 to 1922

Ofercrissakes, like the Russian revolution was the only example of class struggle in history. Here's a clue: Unless you're very very rich, nearly every good thing you have, you have because of successful class struggle. Less than a 12 hour day? Class struggle. The weekend? Class struggle. Wages good enough to let you afford whatever you're using to post stuff on the interwebs? Class struggle. The vote? Class struggle. Look up the history of trade unions, or the Chartist movement, sometime.
Of course a lot of the good stuff class struggle got us has been getting taken away lately . . . because of class warfare from the other direction.

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I kinda don't like this whole rebellion thing being caused by some random third party and not, y'know, an organic result of a genuine class conscious taking form.

Yeah, but I wasn't expecting that so I'm not very disappointed.

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I have a hard time trying to understand romantic l love. So, on one hand, sure is refreshing seeing this kind of plot and terminologies being used in media; on the other hand, I'd be kinda disappointed if it turns out like the "ooops, I just didn't know I was in love with you before" kind of situation.

Well, brace yourself for disappointment. This is a genre story, and the genre is "romance". So they WILL fall for each other, the only question is how the process will work. As I've said before, in romance stories even the robots fall in love.

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Thing about zodiac stuff is, every sign has enough attributes defined broadly enough that, if you approach it open-mindedly, you can find yourself in any of them. So like, I'm a Virgo, and Virgos are supposed to be tidy and finicky, and I'm a slob . . . but if I feel like fitting into it I can look at my tendency to be picky about grammar, or organize books carefully, or check over things I've written to avoid mistakes, and say there! A fit!
But I could totally do the same for various attributes of other signs.