Good God.. discussing Homosexuallity and Asexuallity vs. Religion with some of the most conservative communities.. I think I am addicted to shooting myself in the foot XD

last edited at Jul 15, 2017 6:23PM

I have two, one on each foot.

hahahhahaha... just got it XDDD hahahaha

I just remembered another female singer (whom I have as a perspective waifu in another dimension): Diane Birch
hehe it could be her cute accent or vantage Newyork-er music style.

last edited at Jul 15, 2017 3:20PM

I would also like to add something about the above matter..
it doesn't matter much who had the dream or the flashback as long as we already understand the point of time that each one of them look at when they think about their relationship. Also, this chapter is so much related to ch50, I really suggest that you read it side to side with ch86, not only that.. but take a closer look at the panels.

what's important now, remember the following:

1. Sumin and Seju are going to the hospital, remember the scarf in the back seat ? - weak possibility of seeing the chairman or Nammi's father, or even Saehyun-
2. Sumin will also meet Sungji - I don't know if she will open the ring topic-
3. there is a lot going on with Sungji in the background, what she said to Seju in ch83, what she heard and saw in ch84.. and don't forget that she has some of Dawoon's words ringing in her mind.

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hehe it was Sumin's dream not Seju's.. Gyeomji is a fox indeed XD

Just wondering, can you clarify how it was Sumin's dream, not Seju's?

I can't exactly prove it.. but I got it from the context and parallelism

1. this chapter is parallel somewhat to ch2
2. mostly throughout the Manhwa, we get Sumin's point of view (with exception to ch26, ch27, ch 45 and the flashback of ch19 and 44 and 56)
3. Sumin is the one who can't take the ring out of her mind. (context)
4. understanding of ch64 bed talk..

• Seju: let's start over
• Sumin: you and I both must've wanted to turn back time at one point or another. But I don't think that's possible now. Even if I wanted to go back, it's not the time we're both thinking about.

that's because throughout the Manhwa you know that Sumin want's the past back. But for Seju, she want's to start over and make things better.. They are looking into two different time horizons.

• following from the above point, notice the different between those two dreams, Seju's: dreams of wishful present, also like in ch82. Sumin: was always dreaming of her past or related thoughts.

This is important to understand, because later if Sumin and Seju were to get back together, you know already that Seju doesn't care about what happened in the past 10 years and won't avenge Sumin for it.

Bottom Line
Dreams and flashbacks are always Sumin's unless clearly shown otherwise, like in ch19. ch26, ch27, ch44, ch45 ch56. Makes sense because the story is mostly Sumin's POV. The way Seju thinks and the way Sumin's thinks suggests that that flashback is Sumin's. Finally, this chapter is parallel to ch2 and ch50.

last edited at Jul 15, 2017 1:06PM

I am actually a fish in disguise. Mystery beyond the water surface roused my curiosity and desire. One day I took a leap of faith, that was how I died.

you were faster than the evolution then XD

^
ah heheh I remembered, Eden and Tom Chaplin are two of favorite male musicians XD.. (I am not as sexist as I thought, phew ~)

I try to seperate music from gender but I'll be honest, when i see a female playing music in a heavily male dominant genre i still end up looking up to them. But generally for me, male or female if you play something i like the sound off i will give you my full support.

I don't know if I did it intentionally, I mean liking female deep voiced singers.. it's a tendency.. but them even my favorite pianist is also a female hehehe.. I can't miss Hélène Grimaud

wow 0_0 music that I never heard before.. heheh I'm being unconsciously feminist .. most of the music I hear are either played by woman or sung by them (or maybe my ear is a bit too gay XD)

last edited at Jul 14, 2017 3:53PM

yoonie0104

sometimes I wonder what you want exactly from Seju!
you dont want her loving someone else, moving on or ending up with Sumin XD.. good God, yoonie what do you want her to do XDDD

No, not my exams, my exams are graded from 1 to 5. xD

Ah.. then you live somewhere near me XD

you were missed ~

Yeayyy, I was missed. :'D

Yes, you were..*lesbo's hug*

sia ue

I know right away cuz I only react to A- or F+. :'D

heheh.. are you talking about your exams or boobs still ?

you were missed ~

Orange

If you are a 2D creature on a piece of paper, the concept of volume and depth (3D) can be mind-boggling (and even unbelievable), there isn't even a way to prove (or disprove) the existence of depth.

EXACTLY.. we are bound by what we can understand. the added depth of unmaterialistic/ intangibility/ immortality to our entity is by itself sexy to those who are materialistic/ tangible and weak by their mortality.. religion is able to make you look at death as a beautiful transition from the lower grade entity to perfection. I loved the idea of the reincarnation I found it very fascinating.

I suppose this means that even when I know I don't believe in something I can't ever truly trust what I believe or don't believe to be right/ the ultimate truth. Maybe there is something depressing about that. But then again maybe there's beauty in that -after all isn't that what faith is all about -having conviction even in absence of proof?

isn't that sexy of some sort.. the unfalsified and the philosophical part of it.. it's very mind challenging.. then comes the idea of eternity, faith and fate.. all these are parts of what I find fascinating about religion.

Es0teric
my God.. hehehe I thought I was a perv hehehe.. but no, the sexy part of religion in my view is totally different than the animalistic part of our sexual practices XD the song is really something

last edited at Jul 14, 2017 9:37AM

hlama

The tragic romance is caused by religion; likewise the same tragedy can happen because of something else, social status, politics for example. I wouldn't say religion itself is romantic, at best it influences romance... usually in a bad way

depends on how you look at it.. for me, every thing that you could apply on romance is applicable in religion.. people are actually willing to sacrifice their lives and current pleasures for their religion.. and ,back to christianity, Jesus who sacrificed his life to save the ones he loved is also romantic beyond believe (well, even if I don't believe in this story either)

I don't have faith, nor do I understand faith. Probably why I think believers are irrational.

it's okay.. even if you don't understand two person's love for eachother.. you would think the same: they are irrational XD

the sexy part .. we can talk about it if you are interested still XD

Oh yissss!!!

oh that has to be related to metaphysics, which I personally find it sexy. So in all religion that I happened to read about, there is a challenge of our limited minds and senses.. you can never be a believer without admitting your limitation and weakness.. in a sense, we human understand the world around us using our senses not only that, but also our brain capability of translating what we sensed into an information that we understand. Can you ever explain the concept of color to a blind person? can you guarantee that the colors we see are the actual colors .. a solid black car, is actually black not a combination of rays that our brains just ignore. WE CAN'T.. even by using every physical measure, physics is what we can understand and measure ONLY. hehehe.. we are weak and very materialistic.. the idea of soul gives us another depth to ourselves, adds strength by allowing us to understand our weaknesses.. and that's my friend, is very sexy!

another aspect of religion sexiness.. the intimacy that a practitioner would have doing their prayers.. very special movements, that require engagement of mind, body and soul to please this divine entity that they love and believe in so much.. they even consider it the joy beyond joys.. think of Nirvana state.. and tell me this not an orgasmic experience. XD

Their whispers, worships.. the way the call their Gods names first thing when they are in need and feel like no one else could understand.. look at the temples, shrines, Churchs and Mosques.. either religoin is sexy and romantic or my sex and romance are religious XD

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yoonie

That's because Gyeomji herself is the ultimate fox :P
she never ever corrected how a reader perceived any panel since I started checking her twitter account and Q&A XD

And basically, that tweet said: just like how Sumin said have a nice dream, Seju really did have a nice dream. However that nice dream is about the time when she was spending with Sumin and that makes it more tragic.

heheh semantics yoonie.. hehe it was Sumin's dream not Seju's.. Gyeomji is a fox indeed XD

Nora

You really are a romantic. I just can't see subservience being that romantic lol.

hehehe.. it comes natural to me like that.. don't know why XD
it's either romance or perversion.. accompanied by lots of arguments XD

That is true lol what do you think foxy lady work as?

she told me.. but I don't know if I she is okay with me disclosing this info.

I understand :) if you're ever up for exchanging emails or numbers for a chat offline (ah there is some irony there since technically it is still online XD but you know what I mean) just let me know!

https://discordapp.com/

Nora#2543

Oh I like your father already XD LOL

hehe.. amazing father.. mediocre husband. my mother probably wasn't having the same fun we had back then XD

Thank you ahahaha professional feel XD Lol you make my day (or well.. Night rather lol)

heheh.. well, I am serious. Your field of occupation does affect how you look at things, perceive them and how you communicate your ideas.

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:44PM

I'm a scientist so overthinking is good.. Sometimes your whole thesis depends on it XD lol

no wonder.. your line of thinking is organised and has a professional feel to it.

moderator onezhan will approve lol

hehehe heheheh XDDDD (hush hush )

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:35PM

Ahaha do I give off the vibes of a fisherman? I don't live by the sea.. But technically I live on a small island lol
It's hot hot hot (and hotter) all day everyday - it's no fun in other words the weather here..

not about the fisherman vibe.. but the relaxed vibe XD
it's also hot in where I live.. even though I only came to live here few years ago, I could definitely sense the effects of the global warming.. I mean, this is more serious than it appears to be.. then the idiot guy came to denies it all irresponsibly !

Shall I add you on fb? You can see my small island lolllll

aww.. thanks.. I don't have a fake account, and I am not out to the actual world XD .. my family will be truly shocked (well, expect for my father.. we check girls out together XD)

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:35PM

Lol sometimes I do sometimes I don't but regardless of how it goes, when she goes "semantics, Norah" on you I will sit up straight and pay attention XD lol

hehehe.. that cracked me up.. I imagined an actual orange sitting straight.. sorry XD.
I truly respect her deeply.. even though if I would ask for clarification she would leave me hanging XD.. dammit

Hahaha that's not a bad thing! When you overthink you can always dial it down a notch but when you underthink...you can't always tune it up XD

if you say so.. but then you also give up more energy than necessary.. if that applies on other life aspects.. so, research and philosophy are areas in which this tendency could be productive.

Your friend helped you stalk her in fb! Ahahahhaa this is too cute XD

currently, sia ue is busy with her exams.. but she is golden! heheh she can shatter an argument by a one-line-ish comment.. talented XD
(okay, I have a bitter memory of that :P )

So it's really Norah then.. Lol don't say the h is useless...i think it makes the name sound more vintage as opposed to new age lol which isn't a bad thing

hehe.. it sounds like the person was sighing by just calling me XD

how is the weather where you are living.. I hope that you are living by the sea

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 7:36PM

Lol you see this is why I thought she knew you in real life... Like She knows your name norah (should come with a H lol)

that's because sia ue helped me stalk her in FB, hehe and as stupid as I could get, I used my real account.. and it has my name with correct spelling.. the "h" is truly useless you know XD
exactly like "ay" in Okay

Oh I found the forum as I was googling it.. I didn't read the entire thread but your comments and foxy lady's comments very interesting

hehe.. other commenters think she talks in riddles XD
and as for me, wow.. a delusional overthinker XD

Photographic memory X.x exams must be such a breeze for you! Lol

not really.. I wish it worked that way.. argghhh you remember the page number but your brain would play dead about the parts that count!

But you know if and when the two of you are discussing.. I think I wouldn't butt in either.. It's time for reading.. Not talking XD lol

hehehe.. do you get what we were saying hehe.. sometimes even I would lose track XD "semantics, Norah"

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:17PM

Lol how did you remember the page number?? Do you have photographic memory? XD

correct !! hehehe

Hahaha it does sound romantic...
And It's cute to see actually... "semantics, norah" XD Lol!

YUP, she always gives me that.. but we always like to play with words at times hehehe.. and correct, she writes my name with an "h" attached to it. hehe sometimes it is fascinating how when we talk it seems like no one butts in XDDD
you are sharp indeed XD

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:10PM

Ahahaha do you know foxy lady in real life? (if you do.. Is she a scary person? XD Hahaha ah and I sort of assumed she's a she).. Sounds like you know each other for a long time..

no I didn't meet her personally.. I got to know this manhwa around Dec 2016.. then I started noticing crazy things about it.. so I googled reviews and discussion by the end of Jan 2017.. I found this forum and I went to read every post.. around page 175 on the main thread I found her posts.. only 12 posts at the time.. and when I registered it was almost a year since she last commented.. how can I explain this.. instant connection.
I registered because I thought that maybe one day we will discuss things together. XD how romantic, she came back when we reached page 317..

About milk...I'm lactose intolerant Lol ah but I love it still.. I suppose in a rather masochistic way

I am too, try lactose free milk girl.. give your body a break, will you?

Maybe.. The solution is.. To drink more green tea tmr XD

okay this part " masochistic" is approved XD

how did you find the other thread ?

last edited at Jul 13, 2017 4:10PM

Lol this is not cute.. This is zombifying Lol I'm going to be all black faced at work tmr

oh right.. it's not going to be cute at all.. you will be playing with the stabler on your own forehead to stay awake XD.. good luck!

try drinking hot milk or taking a hot shower