btw, in case someone missed it from Japanese... the chocolate was honmei from each side, although Ran was way more straight and open about it

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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Ehhh my only real fear at this point is that generally in anime, Couples that get together before the story begins almost NEVER last the full length of the show.

Fine with me as I ship Kureha x Ginko anyway GAAAR xDDD

In the end though with Ikuhara ANYTHING could happend and all anime worthy of hype garner a few reservations, we all pretty much have no choice but to wait and see.

You guys just read the chapter 4! I'm getting so trolled with it xDDDD

Otherwise why get Morishima Akiko involved in the manga side of the project in the first place?

And why deliver panties fan service in character design pics? Ikuhara's gathering the crowd. That of course means that yuri fanbase is part of the targeted audience. It doesn't however mean we gonna end up with yuri :)
Oh, and Morishima's also a great mangaka - it's a great reason to work with her!

It is neither a sequel nor a prequel. They were both 'supposed' to be the same story, with the anime being the adaptation of Morishima's manga version. But from what I know, the two versions are going to be completely different (though occasionally using the other for source).

My humble guess is that Ikuhara and Morishima agreed on a set of key facts of the story premise, theme, and character personalities. Then she started making an actual story while Ikuhara used it as a source material to play with to eventually produce what he wanted.

Take that as you will, but I'm going to be pissed if Ikuhara waters down the yuri content of the anime simply to pander to the audience. Cause sadly, yuri doesn't sell well... At least we can hope Morishima won't sell out and take the manga down that route.

I think this is a work of Ikuhara more than a work of yuri. I mean, it's not really about delivering to the yuri fan base, rather than raising the topics he really likes and has something to say about. I have good reasons to believe that YKA is a lot about the homosexuality and its acceptance by the society in the first case.

reading quotes from his wiki, he prefers yuri subtext to het romance simply because het romance tends to take over the story a lot. So, I'm expecting the yuri to take a backseat in the anime :/

I think what he says (or rather what's been translated) is not really his truth. I think he likes yuri a lot but doesn't what to be public about it, hence the yuri subtext in his shows. As for the romance, be it het, yaoi, or yuri - doesn't matter as it equally takes over a story. So yuri romance in a yuri setting is likelier to be broken. What kind of relationship ends up in the subtext - we'll see. But the Kureha-Ginko-LifeSexy triangle is pretty well established in the manga at least.

his last show was totally ruined in the second half because of it.

no! "What Ikuhara was trying to say is the 2nd half is actually where everything begins!" lol. It's where the main theme of the story is actually touched upon. It was great. But it's difficult to grasp if you're not ready to think a lot about it.

I can see Higashima skipping the 14 of Feb.
Maximum trolling overdrive!!!

lol, true. Next chapter could easily skip another month. Or a couple of days only ^_^' But...

putting the goggles on

What if we do get the Valentine's?! Who of the two will buy, who of the two will cook? Or will they cook together, as if for the co-workers? That might turn out kinda cliche. No, wait! I believe in the epicness of the mangaka, so it will be awesome for sure!

putting the goggles off

Sigh... I want to believe...

hahahahaha, I'm curious how this is going to be translated from Japanese. I'm sure there's a play on words: yuurei (ghost) vs yuri. And the word mame for "beans" might as well have a naughty meaning xDD
The possible indirect kiss via a juice bottle was nice! Although I don't quite get what's Ran exactly talking - it's as if she repeats the phrases from some juice commercial.
And it's now 3rd of February... 11 days till something awesome happens. Chapter 29? Or chapter 30?

I wonder to which extent the Japanese artists are actually ignorant about the fans outside the country? I mean, yeah of course it's in English.. not to mention they are less likely to pay... but this could still be valuable feedback, interesting ideas, etc. So what are the odds Akili reads this thread? Is it really that close to 0 as we think?

Serious prediction: ran and keiko literally had sex on Christmas night but keiko was so wasted she doesn't remember. This would explain Rans surprise at Keikos indifference at the prospect of her hooking up with someone else. As far as ran is concerned, they're dating now.

Yeah thats reaching/hoping for waaay too much, pretty sure its just tease/ran slowly attempting to get in keikos pants

Yeah, while I imagine on some level Ran wishes for sex, her more immediate desire is for a simple, honest kiss from Keiko.

hmm.. I wonder... I perceive her character as the one willing for way more than just a kiss. I think really, REALLY wants Keiko. A glomp, a kiss, and then eat her all. With the enthusiastic foxy smile of Ran's. While Keiko's like, "wth you're doing", trying to drop Ran off (as if Ran were a kitten attached with its claws to the Keiko's sweater), while actually falling for what's happening deep down in her heart, getting all red, wet and horny. And then she either totally freaks out and runs away under the blanket or gives in to her feelings.

it's foreshadowing Keiko's denial about her feeling for Ran, and of course she will end up accepting them... because Ran is so cute =D

I sure hope so too))) but seriously, Keiko must be self-conscious about her feelings right now as f*** - Ran should just push her a bit! And she has that in her character. C'mon Ran, you can do it! xD

work killed my time to reply to a previous conversation, but I hope I will do it this weekend..

meanwhile, the new chapter's awesome, although I can't help but feel scared that that Keiko's phrase is a possible foreshadowing >__<

For those with goggles: Keiko practically shared a bed with Ran in this chapter LOL. Yeah, I know it was thanks to the mobile technologies... but still.. that stretching of hers... I mean.. yeah... I want at least a big hug in the next chapter as Ran's reaction to Keiko's words!

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Kanbaru is one of the few characters that doesn't get much of that treatment... (At least during season 1 cuz thats the only I've seen)

she does get full attention in hanamonogatari - basically the whole story evolves around her.

Good writing can make this possible to deliver, I rarely ever see it happen tho...

I want to believe :) I mean it really could work out if the story goes about the reactions of their families, other relatives, friends, co-workers. All the hardships. All the drama. Yes this certainly could work. But yes, it would require a talent to make it work maintaining the realism and having enough stretch exercises to draw, lol Let's hope Akili does have such a talent!

I kinda get what you mean - not many stories where romance is developing slowly among other things actually happening, especially yuri.

I think that a lot of yuri manga is still too doujinshi-like and doesn't even try to be a longer series. Unlike (prays) Stretch. I'm so in for another 50 chapters of teasing... and then, say, another 50-100 chapters of deeper relationship.

So, basically, we need to mix Octave with Kanamemo and YKK...and probably add a spoon of Working or Bonnouji to the mix. And maybe top it with Biscuit Hammer in case you like having plot.

sounds like a plan, haha! But really, this kind of balance would be so great...

Hello ciega,
First of all, please don't worry, you didn't hurt me in anyway, but rather I'm happy to answer your questions and I hope I won't accidentally hurt you or anyone else in the process too :)

takachi, your view is from the perspective of a straight person (male or female), correct?

My viewpoint is that of a left-handed girl, if it helps, lol. Or rather, my viewpoint is dramatically tired of cliche tropes which yuri has put onto its readers as a genre. I understand there's a huge lack of gay relationships in stories outside yuri, so the existence of the genre has by far been inevitable. What I would however prefer to see instead is that yuri wouldn't limit itself into a special genre, but rather become yet another kind of relationship in your everyday genres.

Ah, it's really difficult to express my point, I'm afraid. You see, I have nothing against characters A and B forming a special bond despite character A's left-handedness. I mean go for it! But before you do, why not go further than that? The story could be way deeper. Let's take any strong shoujo. I don't know, say, Bokura ga Ita or Skip Beat. Wouldn't it be awesome to read a story like that with two girls? I understand that one goes through a particular set of yuri-related hardships such as accepting your sexuality, coming out, unrequited love, etc. But there's so much more to add to this list from a real world. There are many hardships that gay people have to fight not because they're gay, but because they're people. And I find it annoying that practically each and every story deals with gay hardships but ignores the rest as if they don't exist. I think they do, and I think they should be part of the story, because they also play important roles in character development.
I really don't like it when half (if not all) characters turn out to be gay just because this is a yuri manga. Or how male characters are completely non-existent. Just how realistic it that? I don't understand the rage when a chapter gets a Het tag either. It's life! People go and try out things because they are people. Or because of the circumstances they are in, or because of the personalities they have. And that's one of the reasons why I enjoy Stretch so much. It has so much more than plain yuri - fear of earthquakes, death of close relatives, issues with parents, etc. This is what makes it shine, while yuri is just a cherry on top.

now I might be missing the point you're trying to make, but what you are implying really isn't Yuri at that point, and yes I realize that I am associating Yuri with romantic relationships because that for the most part is how Yuri has always been portrayed. but this is just my humble opinion. by all means if I am wrong, please correct me and help me understand your point.

I think that you're correct, and this is why I'm patiently waiting for a good story writer to finally deconstruct yuri and give the genre a birth in a new light. :)

adult-themed SoL. always a nice idea. wouldn't mind reading more stories like that especially Yuri/lesbian focused. :-)

couldn't agree more :)

you remind me of someone who likes a puzzle for the sake of the challenge, and once you solve the puzzle, you lose all interest in it.

yes, because that's what the puzzles are for ;) don't mean I don't like the process of solving the puzzle, but once it's solved, there's nothing new you can learn out of it, and repeating the process soon becomes a boring routine. Unless one goes creative and makes something new out of it. Don't mind either thing actually :)

lemme phrase it this way, it sounds like you like theoretical romance (my words here), which includes everything up to, but not including the actual romance. and that's cool. just seems like a waste since a lot of people want the romance which includes the mental and the physical.

no-no, don't get me wrong! I wouldn't generalise here. I prefer to keep Stretch the way it is now till the end simply because this is what characterizes this particular story. The world of Stretch is that in which the two girls are very close and intimate but it still remains subtext. At least that's how I've perceived it up till now. And the author really tries hard to develop the relationship without breaking the set of rules he himself set, without destroying this world.

Of course, I really want to see them hug, and kiss, and have sex, but I'd rather read this at the end of the series, or even as a special. And as I said earlier I don't mind it going further than that as long as it stays as realistic as it is right now, although I'd then prefer it to be called Stretch 2, because to me, story-wise, that would be a new universe, with a new set of rules, where yuri is no longer averted with subtext. This is really for the sake of consistency and good story-telling, nothing else.

more hot Kureha on yurikuma.jp

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Isn't the school setting for yuri a cultural thing? I remember I read somewhere that shoujo ai is normally accepted as part of the girl's adolescence, experimenting with their love, feelings, and deep friendship bonds. But it's expected that a girl eventually grows up and comes to terms with her sexuality. So a relationship between two girls at higher age becomes inappropriate and deviant, hence the taboo. So if the author wants the series to be animated, i.e. go toward the mainstream direction, it must involve adolescent girls. And this is where the school setting comes into play most of the time's. It's very unfortunate that character's age affects the target audience for the story, but that is how it works in the end. So unless there's a major cultural shift in Japan about homosexuality, I'm afraid we are stuck with the school setting.

What I however do find annoying is that so many stories are so relationship-driven, putting too much focus on it. I really would like to read more manga where a bond is formed between the main characters but is not directly relevant to the plot. Take the latest monogatari, which is focused on Kanbaru, for example. Her sexuality is certainly part of the story, but the story itself is focused on different matters. Or take Utena, where yuri is cannon, but again not really the point of the drama.

As for relationship-oriented stories, Stretch certainly is a breathe of fresh air. The setting is not school, and the yuri is though heavily implied not really a cannon, yet. What I like the most about it is that the characters are on the verge of accepting themselves of who they really are. It's extremely realistic in portraying how two girls are discovering a deep bond between them. It is a story where a hug means more than a kiss. To me, once they confess to each other, once they reach the sexual relationship stage, the beauty of the story dies, because there's no more accepting yourself as gay drama in it. Yes, they might break up, go het, make up again etc, but to me that would be another story. Although I have to admit it would probably be still a better story than many others simply because the author is so good. I'm impressed with every chapter, how many details he puts on every page, leaving hints small details here and there - so much subtext for a careful reader. And of course the realism is simply unbeatable. All these factors together really make me empathise with the story and its characters.
And the stretches of course, stretches are awesome, hehe

but saying she doesn't want to be popular among guys (in particular) really begs the question (so you want to be popular with girls, then?).

The thing is, the Japanese bubble doesn't say a thing about boys or girls. Literally she's talking about being popular but doesn't specify if it's among boys or girls. Boys are of course heavily implied by the context, but it's not there in the original wording. So we're dealing with the translator's interpretation here, which is quite inevitable due-to Japanese being such a context-dependent language.
It's similar to the cherry popping from the previous chapter, where Ran literally said that she was happy she took one of senpai's firsts. Yes, cherry popping can mean that too, but it also has a sexual subtext, which seemingly is not present or is not that obvious at least in the original Japanese phrase. On the other hand, I'm so far from fluency in Japanese that I can only rely on common dictionaries, while in slang this subtext might actually also be present.
So maybe it's the translator being too optimistic for the sake of a more natural English or due-to yuri coggles, or maybe it's just me lacking in the Japanese department (which is probably more realistic).

And I wonder how Keiko will react now. The author made an amazing job: in the last chapters, they practically confessed to each other, indirectly, but still. First, Ran on Christmas apparently overheard Keiko on the balcony. And now it's Keiko overhearing Ran.

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nhahahahahahahahaha... Oh my... I'm laughing as hard as Ran here.
That new chapter... THAT DAMN NEW CHAPTER...
Damn, Akili! You're such a troll! SUCH A TROLL!!!
It's like he practically confirms (still in subtext), that Ran's totally gay over Keiko, but a Het series of chapters with Ran is approaching.
Nice one. Like. Like really! I'm so... SO trolled... to pieces.

...still hope my amateurish Japanese failed me...

UPD:
so the proper translation made me slightly more optimistic... but let's see - next chapter's in two weeks, haha xD

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Grrr! Grrr!!!

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So it seems ikuhara seems pretty excited at what he can do with yuri, it's weird, i feel both really excited and really scared for some reason. Someone please tell i'm right to feel that way.

I'm just a tiny bit sceptic about those panties in chara design, but knowing Ikuhara... I still have very high hopes ^__^

Even if they're not girlfriends (yet!), in some small way they're family.

This. And I think that's what Saki's actually jealous of - to find oneself a family, people with whom one feels happy to live together. There's a good reason why the word "family" in Japanese has a character "house, home" in it after all.

Ok, bait's eaten, fan girling mode's gradually turning off. Time for some thoughts about the chapter.
It seems Ran has to work on the 1st of January? Yuck... Or is she going to visit her family? It's also so cute how she called Keiko "Paisen" instead of "Senpai".
And I think Keiko thanked her for everything quite literally: for this family atmosphere they have when living together. You know, things like eating soba and going to the new year bell ringing fest together.

I wonder how much of this is Morishima's actual experience. Somehow this story felt way more dramatic than her other works, so it must have been brought to light out of her for a reason.

And more subtext in the coming chapter, awwww! They are such a cute couple! And akili is such a teaser...

One more character design pic
Ginko wearing heeled boots - that's a change... seems Ikuhara again has more planned for the anime than there's in the manga.

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just in case you missed it, the character designs, key visual, and voice cast are out. Read more at ANN.
Arakawa Miho (Himari in Penguindrum) for Ginko sounds a little strange to my ears - most certainly I expected a different voice here, but let's see.
The character designs lost some of Morishima's original fluffiness and cuteness and became more edgy. But based on the pics, they sure are more dynamic.

Oh, and Ikuni posted earlier on twitter today that the genre is still quite underdeveloped in his opinion, and there's a lot to add, which he plans to do. This might hint to YKA being a yuri deconstruction show, giving birth to yuri 2.0 or something like that, haha. Let's see what he has in store for us. I'm sure, he finds it exciting for a good reason ^__^

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ugh, no chapter tomorrow - the new release date is 10/02/2014

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