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whhw whwhwat hwat what was htath wha her backfdsh

The scar of "we have yet a lot to learn about Nagi."

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This is a trainwreck, and I really want to see how it all wraps up.

I stopped reading a few chapters back; now I'm just waiting for the wrapped up series, to see if it's worth it, and reading the comments...

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Pairing tags would be very useful for this series, too.

Kiena
1 x ½ discussion 25 Jan 10:39
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Ayako's wording of her thoughts and Asuka's dream make me wonder... Could Asuka be adopted?

Edit: I had some related theories almost two years ago, too...

Lolz. I wonder how upset people would be if that was the case. I wouldn't mind, but since incest was the main concept (sorta) than pulling a pseudo-incest would probably irk the main readers. That's just a guess, though, idk

Ok stop that shit rightnow Asuka is Ayako's daughter, there is no doubt about it. No adopted things or whatever.

Thanks. I didn't remember that extra at all. Now I wonder what else Asuka's dream was about.

Aside from that, it surprised me no one voiced worries about Ayako running into Akira's arms (bed), to divert herself from Asuka. I finally remembered what had made me feel uneasy about such a development: The end of chapter 15 reminds me of 15Y+. (Coincidence with the numbers?) I really hope this prediction won't come true, either.

As for Ayako, I also thought that the "someone like me" part was referring to her feeling being broken/damaged. So Verdant's more extensive speculation may be more correct than not. It's a really good guess, though then it's hard to imagine how this story could have a satisfying ending if Ayako and Asuka became a real couple.

I don't really like the turn this story took. I wasn't soo much into darker story like fucked up childhood, etc. I guess I'll wait until the story ends if it's really that dark.

Chapter 15 made me think the same. Until now I read the updates as soon as I had noticed them, but waiting for some chapters to pile up may really be better.

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Kiena
1 x ½ discussion 24 Jan 23:11
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Ayako's wording of her thoughts and Asuka's dream make me wonder... Could Asuka be adopted?

Edit: I had some related theories almost two years ago, too...

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This is so wrong... But so funny.

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Also, if you're introducing someone to yuri, please give them a book instead of sending them to a site with pornography on it. This may be silly coming from me, but piracy is still bad, m'kay?

I put books into people's hands, if they wish, as I buy both Japanese and English publications. Though I try taking care of the books as well, so unless someone visits me, rather than bringing the books somewhere, it's much easier and safer to give a link. Also, if someone is just curious what yuri is, asking them to buy a book is probably too much.

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Ironically, if this was full hentai, ala Softcharm, there wouldn't be so many complaints.

Porn is somehow more acceptable than fluff. Says a lot about the state of decay of our societies.

I wanted to mention this, especially after all the "leave the fiction we like alone" replies, but decided not to, because it'll probably fall on deaf—angry and/or troll—ears:

I like a lot of Itou Hachi's work. In the ones having Animal ears, the fiction is very clear, and it makes it easy to not take the problematic elements seriously (slavery, arranged marriage, a different species whose members may remain like little girls with animal features while they live, etc.) and just focus on the nice art, atmosphere, romance, comedy, etc. When it comes to hentai, it's obvious that its main purpose is to be masturbation material, often without plot and with over-the-top themes. I agree with that if it keeps pedophiles from going after real children, I don't mind any amount of it being created.

The problem with this particular work is that it has a realistic setting, it isn't a hentai, so it makes the impression of asking the question: "Is this fine?" As if it is trying to test or bend the boundaries of what is acceptable.

Then once the grooming in it got pointed out as being wrong, despite how wholesome it's depicted, to answer that question, instead of just replies like "it's just some interesting fiction, we know it's wrong, don't get bent out of shape over it," some people out of feeling something of theirs being endangered, or only for trolling, started defending the characters' actions, moving the conversation again beyond the whole "it's just fiction" reasoning, or even went to "I'm not a pedophile, you're the pedophile!" style of replies.

The replies explaining away or romanticizing the depicted grooming itself are admittedly scary. Not for the people doing that being pedophiles, but for such replies potentially encouraging those who are, and for the signs of ignorance that may apply in the real world, too. What would you do if you were that colleague or schoolmate Ruki talks to, or if Otome were your friend, sister, or daughter?

Content like this may not help refuting claims like "most LGBTQ+ people are after children, too," yet I never asked for its removal. (Though personal experience has shown that the hentai content makes the site unfit for introducing western people to harmless, quality yuri manga in the first place, because a wrong click from a regular story can bring them to a hentai that to them isn't different from child porn. Since I didn't even know about filters back then, not sure if they even existed, I didn't think about setting up a whole account for them and having them sign in before giving any links. Thanks for the advice ahead of time, though.)

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certain things, like listening to Otome peeing, the lap hugs, the staying over without the parents worrying, started popping up as ways Riku, a working adult, is abusing the relationships she established with Otome and her family.

Why thought ? Most are normal behavior (beside the whole pee thing that i'm not a fan of). Yeah there is the 3 vows but that's normal things a nice person while do without any other intention.

The hidden intention is exactly the reason. Those things are normal only on the surface, and only Riku and Otome are aware of that. (Riku's colleague isn't helping.)

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......this had nothing to do with twitter :(

Not the social media service, nope. But "twitter" existed before that as a word for a kind of sound, you know.

Waiting for a kid to be of age to start dating them is still illegal and the person in question still a pedo.

Hey what ? How waiting for her to in age to date legally is illegal ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Like I said, grooming. Look it up.

Get over yourself and pull that stick out of your ass. Grooming involves actively shaping the child's psychological development, not simply waiting for them to grow out of being a minor while interacting with them more or less no differently than any regular acquaintance/neighbor.

This may not be too interesting, but I still felt like writing about my thoughts and conclusion regarding this, after reading the manga and these comments:

  • The concept of grooming was completely new to me. I'm not well-versed in such matters, what remotely affects me is how some people try to mix in pedophilia in their opposition to LGBTQ+ matters. Slippery slope and so on.
  • I went to look up the description, etc.
  • After reading about it, I was still of the opinion that the actions depicted in the story still did not match the (basic?) definition of grooming, if Riku really waits until Otome becomes 18, i.e. 8 more years. My understanding was for it to be grooming, the gained trust and access to the child had to be turned into abuse, which wasn't the case here. It made the impression that Riku has been making responsible choices, given the large age difference.
  • Thinking more about it, and getting over the story's wholesome atmosphere, certain things, like listening to Otome peeing, the lap hugs, the staying over without the parents worrying, started popping up as ways Riku, a working adult, is abusing the relationships she established with Otome and her family. Sleeping in the same bed or taking a bath together would've just made it an even more glaring example of grooming.
  • After that realization, I got to the conclusion that establishing the depicted relationship, with or without the vows, was a fundamental mistake. It has to be hidden from the parents not because of their gender, but because it's obviously problematic, and more importantly, it shapes the decisions Otome makes while growing up.

The truly responsible thing for Riku would've been not to make that "future lovers" promise, or to call it off as soon as she thinks it over. Whether Otome dates someone else before she becomes 18, or keeps being in love with Riku and waiting, should be completely up to Otome. Riku could have told her back then that she might be interested when Otome becomes 18, kept the right distance, and by waiting she could keep taking the risk that Otome may choose someone else in the meantime, on her own, without establishing a relationship that is more committed than it isn't.
I could write more about why that would be more wholesome and healthy in even more ways for both of them, but it is long enough already. Thanks if you've read it.

TL;DR
After learning about grooming and thinking about its implications, this manga lowered my tolerance towards such concepts, even in fiction, which is probably the opposite of the author's intention...

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Nothing is known about Midori's circumstances yet, but even if her actions were motivated all along by outside forces not having been shown at this point, she keeps majorly messing up her communication with Momo and causing damage... If the reason for hiding Midori's true love being Momo is just to fuel drama, I'll most likely hate this.

With nothing else to the author's name, I feel that I don't need one more of a plot like this. I'll try ignoring it until it finishes, and if there won't be a whole happy crowd telling it was worth the ride, it may be the first manga going into the bin, like that other "dumb piece of paper" should have been.

Still, plenty of thanks to the scanlators, I may just not enjoy this particular story.

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Creepy. Especially the part with the cream.

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Nice.

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Why is there so much confusion about what happened when?

  • Kindergarten: their first kiss & Maya's trauma
  • Elementary school: avoidance & arguing (Yuina cutting her hair)
  • Middle school: Maya helping Yuina getting into the same high school
  • High school: present (they are 17)
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If the title were true (without chapter 0) this would be very depressing. After reading chapter 0 the whole thing became very weird, and maybe almost just as sad, though. The plot seems to be that Maya can't understand anything about love after the kindergarten trauma and repressing her feelings completely for Yuina during elementary school. Or she just refuses to understand and keeps a straight face because the girl she loves is not "gross/weird/etc." Still quite depressing... Here's hoping they'll have a very happy future as they overcome this and that will make it a nice read moving forward.

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And hey, who else was a bit afraid that the senpai was going to end in the "harem" too ?

They just barely met. I still think she will. (They are the same age, though, so she isn't her senpai.)

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So this unicorn wants her to be a virgin but also wants to eat her?

Unicorn, you can't have your cake and eat it too!

She can have lesbian sex and still remain a virgin.

Attributing virginity based on one's physical condition isn't a very healthy thing...

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Congrats.

Kiena
Their Story discussion 04 Oct 19:13
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When was the next time we saw Mo—upset or not—after the 10/01/2018 Update?

Hi, we've tagged all of Mo's posts so you can browse.
https://yaoi-blcd.tumblr.com/tagged/mo-xiaonan

We have tags for all the other recurring characters as well.

Thank you! The answer is chapter 168.

Kiena
Their Story discussion 03 Oct 04:41
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Ok. I've missed this this series for a long damn time. Can someone tell me, what happened to the pink-hair girl arc?

It looks like Mo Xaionan's plot threadd was dropped in mid-gallop, so what we know at this point is just:

Mo begged SJ not to go meet QT,

SunJing was visibly bummed the next time she saw Qiu Tong, but got over it as soon as she saw her bae.

Mo was visibly upset with Sun Jing the next time we saw her.

All signs point to "she confessed, was shot down, and is now hurting over it." But the plot just kind of jumped tracks to Sun Jing and Qiu Tong dating and being flirty, possibly because the author needed the WAFF injection to deal with an oppressive government. (Or maybe as a fuck you to her publisher, who apparently wouldn't publish her book because it was explicitly romantic?)

When was the next time we saw Mo—upset or not—after the 10/01/2018 Update?

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Kiena
Image Comments 01 Oct 10:47
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Miku: Um, Hibiki... There was something I've always wanted to tell you.
Hibiki: Yeah, me too.
Miku taken aback
Hibiki: I hope what I want to tell you is the same thing you want to tell me.
Fade out
Title
Fade in
Miku: So we both are in love with your father, Hibiki!

(Otherwise why did he even have scenes in this season? Plus Hibiki was only able to win with his help. It was so jarring.)

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sharing a house with friends but you add love and sex in the mix so is not exactly against the law

Sorry for the tangent, but it's just an actual topic that in some countries that is punished by prison, and unfortunately there is at least one trying to pass a law for it now...

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In my opinion the negative reactions are more severe than this ending deserves. It isn't perfect, for several reasons, though as others said, there are so many endings far worse than this. I hope to see the next work of this author soon. So far they were always quirky with fairly satisfying endings. Having room for improvement isn't a bad thing, either, in my book.

Kiena
Image Comments 17 Sep 08:40
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They say "friend" so often in this season that I already forefeel my utter disappointment. Then I'll just remember it by my alternative title forever: "Family (but Mostly Father) Issues: The Series With Transformations, Singing, and Yuri-Baiting"

Kiena
Koukotsu discussion 10 Sep 18:47
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This had just been getting worse and worse, then suddenly it became awesome... kind of. An interesting break from waiting for a non-flashback 1 x ½ chapter.