^What do you mean lol it was finished

The prez's moral grandstanding is really unconvincing. It's not even that he's annoying to me but his logic falls apart so easily. Let's say Seo or Miho has family that loved them, has he ever seen the grief of a parent losing a child? Wouldn't someone who caused such grief be a worse person than either of them and therefore be better off dead? Unless he and his little minion has a suicide pact after their job is done I guess. It would make more sense (and be more compelling) if he were killing people who were going to cause another's death. That's an even bigger dillemma for Satsuki and challenges her actions directly. I don't think that Satsuki's worldview is perfect or anything but at least she's honest with its shortcomings and consistent. It's fine that the antagonist is a hypocrite but I iust can't believe that he's so charismatic and convincing that he can DESTROY SATSUKI WITH FACTS AND LOGIC everytime they talk when his entire worldview falls apart with a simple question.

last edited at Jun 18, 2022 1:09AM

Sequel pls

I've heard when a suicidal person decides to commit suicide sometimes they might seem happy in the short time they have left, is this a myth or is it true? I wonder if this is what happened to Tokiko or if she was lying to herself about being happy. That final bonus chapter is gonna hurt.

I've heard this myth too, that when a suicidal person decides to, they think they will feel relief from the pain they have been experiencing. I don't know how true this myth of seeming happy is, but Tokiko's statements seem similar to this sentiment. Like she doesn't have to deal with not being accepted or understood anymore.

My own take is that Tokiko has always been quick to latch onto acting how the people she respects think she should act, which is maybe why she feels so freed. Her friend from the orphanage tells her to be happy, she tries to be "happy" at all times. Her father tells her to prioritize herself and she decides to let him die so he is no longer her priority. Tokiko's sister tells her not to blame herself and she throws herself into the serial killer case so she feels like she is not at fault. And Natsuki had been the only one successful to get her out of some of those flawed conclusions.

This curse is awful.

Damn I never caught that about her friend from the orphanage. That's a really plausible reasom why she feels the need to be happy "no matter what."

I've heard when a suicidal person decides to commit suicide sometimes they might seem happy in the short time they have left, is this a myth or is it true? I wonder if this is what happened to Tokiko or if she was lying to herself about being happy. That final bonus chapter is gonna hurt.

I feel like that’s the point though. None of the other deaths have been special so far — it’s used to show that the curse doesn’t differentiate. Tokiko doesn’t get to choose just because it was her friend; that would diminish the power of the curse and not succeed in the manga’s goal of critiquing Tokiko’s outlook on life. Also, the abruptness only makes it more impactful IMO.

Problem is that this kills all the tension out of the story. She was the last person that the MC cared about and by extension the audience. Now there is nothing, no one to root for to survive.

Nah there's only a few chapters left so there's still how Tokiko will react, the (probably) subsequent implosion which will cause the rest of the cast to die, the reveal of what's causing all the death, and what her ultimate fate is plus epilogue.

Exactly, all that is left is snuff. And while I'm sure there are some people who find that interesting, I don't.

I mean not really? I'm sure I'm not the only one invested in Tokiko and her fate or the reason for the death around her. You said that there is no tension left for the audience because there's "no one left to root to survive" but I don't think that's the only reason tension or interest could exist. Boiling it down to a single reason, especially a reason like that, seems like a really shallow way to read the series.

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I feel like that’s the point though. None of the other deaths have been special so far — it’s used to show that the curse doesn’t differentiate. Tokiko doesn’t get to choose just because it was her friend; that would diminish the power of the curse and not succeed in the manga’s goal of critiquing Tokiko’s outlook on life. Also, the abruptness only makes it more impactful IMO.

Problem is that this kills all the tension out of the story. She was the last person that the MC cared about and by extension the audience. Now there is nothing, no one to root for to survive.

Nah there's only a few chapters left so there's still how Tokiko will react, the (probably) subsequent implosion which will cause the rest of the cast to die, the reveal of what's causing all the death, and what her ultimate fate is plus epilogue.

Is it just me or is that first page of chapter 29 extremely gay? There's something similar in Liar Satsuki too, the kind of "I want to be with you forever" vibes that feel very homosexual

Satsuki is more overtly gay but yeah the yuri seeds were definitely already planted in this series.

no

No

First of all, I'd suggest basing judgments on what school they're in on, you know, what they actually say, not on how tall you imagine they should be. Second of all, the average 17-year-old girl in Japan is 5'1". This is the weirdest and most baseless thing to complain about.

Japanese girls are on average about an inch shorter than their Western counterparts and those statistics are probably outdated. And that's a mean average. Based upon statistical distribution there should be a number of girls that are near the mc's height. It's a poorly executed conceit by the aurhor.

I know it's been a while but you're talking out of your ass mungo. Don't skip Statistics kids.

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So it was established that Tokiko's good at shiritori from way back then that's why Satsuki couldn't win.

You guys are reading way too deep into a one shot that's like only a few pages long. The author made a crappy one shot that didn't really work. Some people are comparing it to hentai rape and Emergence of all things? Nah what are you even talking about it's not even close to that level, what a dramatic overreaction.

Though I like the characters in Liar Satsuki more this one seems to have a more interesting mystery and protagonist. I also like how even though she's usually aloof, she can act silly and childish, it shows how her sociopathy(?) can manifest itself in different ways and she's not just the usual one note trope.

Can’t wait for Shi ni Aruki sounds like it has a darker tone

The dude actually has a photo shoot at his school during school hours wearing his uniform and the story plays this straight, no pun intended, zero irony. This manga seems like it came straight out of the 2000s. I love it.

That was pretty abrupt. The last chapter felt like half the length of the usual ones and didn’t really reveal much apart from the sister being married now. We already knew where things stood from the last chapter and nothing really changed, so it was more like a bonus “where are they now?” chapter except they left out Rio lmao. Shame, the slow pace and the atmosphere were the best things for me. I would totally be okay with like 10 chapters of virtually no plot progression just for the vibes this series gave. This would not be the first series on this site to end like this and it’s nowhere near the worst example.

I do wonder if this is a relationship that would last in reality, Matoi is holding on to quite literally an impossible love. Yuri has her emotional needs fulfilled but Matoi’s are not, honestly if Matoi were to move on and fall in love with someone else no one would really lose anything.

The teacher is pretty funny, I’m a sucker for deadpan characters. It would have been incredibly boring if he was just the bad guy.

The light haired girl used "Seo-san." Komachi makes a habit of referring to almost everybody as "given name-chan." Except in 1 other case: Akira, who she calls "Atou-san." It got played off as a joke in chapter 30, but between that and the weird look she gave Akira in 27 (also the first time she even acknowledges her in that scene), it struck an odd chord. Which to be fair happens a lot with Komachi.

You mentioning chapter 30 made me take a look at it again and now I’m even more convinced that it was Komachi who led her to the storeroom. That conversation she had with Akira is sus as hell. “She’s very much alive so it’s fine.” Maybe the reason why she calls Akira “Atou-san” is because a) They don’t know each other very well b) she doesn’t like how close Akira is to Satsuki. I’m pretty sure Komachi calls Satsuki “Minazuki-san“ as well at first so it’s not hard to imagine she would call Seo “Seo-san” as well. I’m gonna try to find any instances of her interacting with Seo before and see what Komachi calls her. And no I don’t think she’s in cahoots with the council. At least not in the way that she cares and believes in the president’s ideology.

I decided to just put this in a separate post. Shiina’s death wasn’t the only one being manipulated, Seo’s was as well. Has it ever been confirmed that it was also prez? Because he seemed to genuinely not have known. There was a long light haired girl that talked to Seo which, I assume, changed the time of death. It could be vice prez or it could be Komachi. But what would be Komachi’s motive and could she have deduced the situation since Akira and Satsuki were acting in secret? She didn’t seem to believe Akira’s excuse at the time. I think if Komachi was yandere for Satsuki we may have a motive since in both times she tried to interfere, assuming that she did in Seo’s case, both victims bullied Satsuki, it would also tie in to why she encouraged Satsuki to be more selfish.

After looking at it for a few minutes. I really don’t think it’s the vice. Her hair looks different. And it would be more natural for a fellow classmate to ask Seo to talk. If a 3rd year and the vice president to boot suddenly accosted you, I think Seo and her friends would be more surprised. Also at this point the prez didn’t know Satsuki has the power that he has so, if it was his plan to kill Seo, it wouldn’t make sense to suddenly change the time of death since the only reason you would do so is to outplay Satsuki. Meanwhile at this point Komachi should know that Satsuki has some sort of ability to predict death, that Satsuki would sacrifice herself to prevent one even for someone who bullies her, and she knows that Satsuki and Akira have been snooping around near the the room and she might have been eavesdropping even before she revealed herself.

It is interesting how the narrator, who’s most likely Satsuki from the future, only referred to her stopping Komachi’s destined death as the one that broke the gears of fate. Afaik she’s never said “X should have died” about anyone other than Komachi and it didn’t seem like a throwaway dramatic comment. The “should” is carrying a lot of weight there too. Is it because Komachi is special or is every destined death that was denied going to have some sort of consequence? If yes then what about the prez? Is causing a destined death breaks fate in the same way as preventing one? I feel that that’s the only direction the story can go to truly challenge Satsuki’s (and Prez’s) almost dogmatic beliefs. I still think Komachi is special in some way though.

Weirdly enough Komachi presented a third option early on to Satsuki. She could just choose apathy or a more egotistical solution and not get involved at all. I wonder why Komachi out of all people thought this way though. She clearly doesn’t lack in empathy, it’s the reason they became friends.

And of course there’s the question of wether or not the author really has thought it through that far from the first chapter. The first chapter has the most foreshadowing out of any we’ve seen. But it wouldn’t be the first time someone foreshadowed things in a story without really knowing how that story is going to develop to that stage or set up mysteries without really knowing the answer themselves. Like is the classroom full of bodies really going to play a part in the future or is it just a shocking introduction for the readers?

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Few things I’m not clear on. Has the prez been doing this since before that first oil incident? It’s said he cleaned up the school and troublemakers started disappearing. If he has, why hasn’t satsuki noticed before? Or does that mean she did notice but failed to stop these murders? But then why didn’t anyone? A school where students kept dying must be suspicious, no? Unless his previous methods didn’t involve anyone dying. But if that’s the case why the sudden change to murder?

last edited at Mar 11, 2022 4:55AM

Why did I read this Jesus Christ? I need fucking help holy shit

What an underrated manga. I’ve avoided it because I thought it’d be another edgy yuri but it’s got a surprising amount of heart. The cast are (mostly) surprisingly multidimensional even if some of the development is a rushed. My main problem is sometimes the humor is misplaced so the tone can feel off given the subject matter.

Every character named Yuu in yuri is always unfathomably based. Holy shit the only sane person in this story.