You must have some weird short term memory loss, if you've already forgotten about Chapter 3, 8.5, 13, 15, 17 etc. Don't blame the manga for that.

In every single one of those chapters it is pure one sided yuri crush used purely for comedy without any hint of future progress, exactly what I said. I dont have a poor memory, you just havent poor reading skills.

Also, not quite getting your strange "lusting for the mermaid tails in a manga about mermaids doesn't count as lust" argument. Seems like you've arbitrarily decided that this isn't yuri, and try to ignore everything that contradicts that presumption. Which again seems weird to me.

Yeah, lusting in a non sexual way isnt actual sexual lust. Who would have thought? And once again, since you seem to have missed it every single time: this is yuri crush at best and has no interest in making any of the female characters an actual couple. Its purely for comedy's sake while it didnt waste time making an actual het couple.

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Oh yeah, if there's a single hetero chapter, all the many, many yuri chapters, or the main character who is constantly lusting after other girls, don't count. That's Dynasty logic right there. Jesus Christ...

Many yuri chapters? Lol, its one sided yuri crush at best and used solely for comedic effect while the het chapter was about mutual love and ended with an actual couple. This latest chapter is the only "lust" we have seen, before was only about seeing tails and nothing sexual.

Playing around a bit at an all girl school while you're in high school, then after graduating never even having the slightest interest in anyone that isn't the opposite sex ever again definitively makes someone definitively not straight?

Does this situation take place in a world where sexuality is just a choice? Maybe the gay conversion camps were right all along.

I don't see how that's homophobic, because it happens pretty often. If anything assuming that's the case is pretty realistic.
Doesn't mean it applies to everyone of course, but that doesn't mean theres no basis to it.

Its homophobic because they think thats all homosexuality is. Its just a phase, not actually real. They think that adult homosexuals are just immature and just havent found the right person of the opposite sex.

And Im just going to go out on a limb and say it isnt common. If teenagers are "practicing love" with the same gender they are either gay or bi or pan or whatever. They ain't straight.

Surprisingly relevant to the topic

Yes, people creating strawmen to argue against is pretty relevant.

The comment in the Twitter post simply says that they dropped Citrus because they were lied to about it being wholesome. They just wanted a wholesome lesbian show.

Here. They meant they wanted it to be true yuri, not something that has fanservice and parts aimed at male audience wanting to see 2 girls making out. Also I guess that person doesn't like rape in their manga. I guess according to them Citrus is a manga aimed at male audience and not "real yuri fans".

Uh, no, not even close. They said nothing of the sort. There was not a single mention of "true" yuri. They dont even use the word "yuri" at all. They dont talk about male audiences or other fans, only that they personally were looking for something more wholesome like Kase-san. I really dont see the issue of having a personal taste, the reason why this site uses so many tags so that fans can find certain pieces that fit their personal tastes.

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They're saying it's frustrating when people put down a yuri manga for including sexual themes.

But their link is a twitter post about Kase-san VS Citrus. They both have sexual themes, it seems the twitter post is mad that people dont like it when yuri has sexual assault in it.

I think they're talking about the idealization of yuri or lesbian romance in general. Some people don't consider certain series, like Citrus, yuri because it has some problematic sexual content. So unless a yuri series is wholesome, "pure" lesbian romance with 0 questionable sexual content, it's not yuri to these people. (This is the whole theme of Yuri Kuma Arashi, btw. Great series). They're not upset about people's preference for purer romance, I don't think, just people's perception against sexual themes in yuri.

That really doesnt help when their link doesnt have anyone saying that Citrus isnt Yuri. The comment in the Twitter post simply says that they dropped Citrus because they were lied to about it being wholesome. They just wanted a wholesome lesbian show. Nothing about Citrus not being real yuri. Just seems like someone built a strawman to argue with.

so you didn't read the other comments below they said its alright not to like it. its just people are calling citrus not a real Yuri because its not just cute girls being cute and have no baggage, by being pure by being dense as a box of rocks about love. Pure as in hand holding and never going further like women have no desire like....you know dirty stuff.

I am completely at a loss of what you are even trying to remotely get at.

Why would anyone believe that Asahi was lying? He's spent months wandering the streets putting up flyers about a missing girl. What could possibly possess someone to do that, except for the obvious reason that she's his missing sister, just like he says. When Shouko saw Shio living with Satou, taking a picture and sending it to Asahi is a perfectly reasonable response. It's his missing sister that he's been looking for for months, letting the guy know she's alive is just the right thing to do.

We have multiple examples in this manga with characters becoming overly obsessive over this little girl. This manga exists in a world that someone could be lying about why they are searching for a specific little girl. Especially a homeless dude under a constant mental breakdown. And no, a reasonable response would have yelling out to Satou to ask about Shio. Not whipping out her phone, taking a picture and texting without saying a word.

Plus, even if it were all some giant misunderstanding, or if Asahi were lying, and Satou's relationship with Shio were perfectly innocent, then Satou would have nothing to hide, and lose nothing from Shouko sending a picture to Asahi. The only case in which Satou would suffer from her doing that would be if she had actually kidnapped the girl.

If Asahi was lying taking a picture motivates him to track them down and puts Satou in danger from a crazed homeless kid. If Shouko thought Satou had nothing to hide then she would have called out to her, not taken a picture.

Also, why do you think Shouko lied to Satou? Judging by all the dialogue on page 186, Shouko directly and honestly confronted Satou about kidnapping Shio, and told her to return her to her family. That's the opposite of lying.

She only confronted her after Satou yanked her into the apartment and even then Shouko lied about sending the picture.

I would agree with you in that this might be a betrayal from Satou's perspective, but I don't think even that would be true. Satou cut off all ties with Shouko. Satou might have seen Shouko's reaction to meeting her aunt as a betrayal, but after that she treated her like a stranger. You cannot be betrayed by someone who owes you no loyalty.

Satou cut ties with Shouko, not the other way around. And its not like Shouko knows that. Betrayal is still possible.

"Its okay to not like content, except when I have to read your opinions that go against mine."

People like pure romance stories while others like smut like 50 Shades of Grey. There is no toxicity.

Romantic interest aside, she was trying to help someone who was missing his sister. Regardless of our feelings and ships, based on what's shown so far, she believed she was doing the right thing for both parties. She wanted to reunite a family as well as stop her friends from falling deeper into these holes they dug themselves. I don't think she loses any sympathy points for trying to do the right thing.

She is trying to help someone who told her a story without any proof by snapping a picture real quick, texting him and then lying to her "dear friend". She was real quick to backstab Satou and then lie to her face about it. She isnt trying to help Satou, she clearly saw Shio happy and healthy and yet didnt even confront Satou about taking in a lost child before assuming the absolute worse. Was she right? Yeah, but she didnt know that.

@Yuri Queen: It is actually slightly more complicated than that, it is not unheard of for female heiresses to take on the head position, while their adopted husbands get a high ranking executive position within the company. Their son (strongly preferred) is the one who is expected to one day inherit everything. The purpose of a mukoyoshi is not just to have males in charge of companies, it is primarily to stop bloodlines becoming extinct. It is a country whose reigning dynasty spans over two and a half millennia, and its elite families usually measure their history in centuries. They often faced the lack of male heirs of the blood, and adoption of husbands or relatives was common in such cases, it remains so to this day. It is not just about the school, it is also about actually continuing the Aihara line and legacy, a legacy that was strongly impressed upon Mei since she was a small child (even by her father, if memory serves, before he became a hippie).

Yes, it is unheard of. The entire point of a Mukoyoshi is literally to get a male heir to lead the family. Its not "primarily" about preserving the bloodline seeing as how its can be done with adopting an entirely unrelated couple. Its done to keep the name and to get a male heir for their businesses. That has been its purpose for centuries, poor and middle class families dont do it to preserve their bloodline, its done by the rich to keep the business in their name. A culture that looks down on an unmarried woman isnt going to let her lead when her husband can do it instead.

The bloodline excuse kind of falls apart considering gramps just gained a new daughter in law and granddaughter and he didnt even know about it despite Yuzu being admitted into his school. Appearantly the Aihara name isnt prestigious enough to be flagged when a transfer student shows up with it. He also has no reason to think Shou cant pump out a son to continue the name. If its a mukoyoshi its being done purely for business inheritance.

And his management skills and ability to relieve Mei of her responsibilities sounds like the complete opposite of not getting the chair position.

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Welp, there goes my favorite ship. The one person who genuinely loved Satou and wanted to help her and be there for her with no creepiness...

This is a really interesting turning point. That's definitely the first of Satou's murders/methods that the sympathetic audience has no real way of justifying (Like the apartment owner attempting to kill Shio, the teacher being a dangerous stalker, the delinquients beating up Mitsuboshi, the coworker also being a dangerous stalker). And Satou still thinks she can justify it to herself because her friend freaked out when she saw her aunt. Or maybe she's just saying that, we know she'd have to kill her either way.

Oh, and her brother finally knows who has Shion now. The final showdown's getting closer!

The moment she took the picture and sent it she showed her true colors of not being a true friend who would stand by Satous side. She easily switched to the brothers side even though she barely knew him.

Did she deserve to die? Of course not. But its less sympathetic when she is a big fat phony. Also, her taste in men in questionable at best.

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Welp, there goes my favorite ship. The one person who genuinely loved Satou and wanted to help her and be there for her with no creepiness...

This is a really interesting turning point. That's definitely the first of Satou's murders/methods that the sympathetic audience has no real way of justifying (Like the apartment owner attempting to kill Shio, the teacher being a dangerous stalker, the delinquients beating up Mitsuboshi, the coworker also being a dangerous stalker). And Satou still thinks she can justify it to herself because her friend freaked out when she saw her aunt. Or maybe she's just saying that, we know she'd have to kill her either way.

Oh, and her brother finally knows who has Shion now. The final showdown's getting closer!

The moment she took the picture and sent it she showed her true colors of not being a true friend who would stand by Satous side. She easily switched to the brothers side even though she barely knew him.

Did she deserve to die? Of course not. But its less sympathetic when she is a big fat phony.

Its a very common homophobic stereotype in Japan that teenagers will "practice" love with the same sex through some weird overly romantic friendship. They believe its just a phase some kids go through and that they will eventually grow up and fall in love with someone of the opposite gender. Its the basis of the Class S Yuri genre.

She does want to do it and he wants her to do it. They want it kept with the Aihara's and their values.

Except with a Mukoyoshi Mei wouldnt be the one doing it.

Not entirely true. He can marry Mei, become an Aihara instead of her joining his family, and she can still become the chairperson. The point of this is the position stays with the Aihara's but Mei gets the backing of his family because of the marriage. Her being young would make such connections valuable (for instance, without that she might look weak, lose the trust of the board and get replaced).

Okay, it seems you have completely misunderstood the point of a Mukoyoshi. The entire point is for male heirs to take over. If a family is going to marry off their son to be adopted by another family that needs a male heir then they will expect him to get the position. The same culture that thinks an unmarried woman looks weak is the one who will want her husband in charge instead. Its not to get the backing of his family, the Aiharas are by far the most influential and if we judge by her last fiance they are not picking candidates from families that rival their own.

Unlike the marriage, that would only make sense if he were being chosen to take over the position. That's not what the grandfather chose him for.

Except the fiance had to shut down his store to get married. Why would he do that? Because he has another job lined up at a certain school.

If he is a chairman then there is an entire board of people who can replace him if Mei didnt want to do it. No shutting down and no selling off. Again, the entire point of a Mukoyoshi is for the husband to take over the position due to the patriarch need for male leadership. If this is a mukoyoshi then Mei isnt getting the chair position.

I just want to make it clear that mukoyoshis can be done without the daughter marrying the adopted man in order to keep the company in the family. So if this is indeed a mukoyoshi the whole marriage fiasco is still just for dramas sake, nothing really to do with reality.

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Evidence for this? The school would stay in the Aihara family, and hypothetically the couple could share in the administration of the school, for example, the husband doing the finances and the wife doing the day-to-day running of the school.

The entire point of a Mukoyoshi is to get a male heir because female leadership is undesirable. Business wise, ideally, after getting married Mei wouldnt have any position in the school other than being the headmaster's wife.

I don’t think the issue has ever been Mei’s personal inheritance of the school, just that if no one in the Aihara family is able to take over the school, it would have to close or be sold off, and a single woman running it would signal instability to the Aihara clientele of rich families.

When CEOs retire they dont close the company or sell it off, they promote other people within it. And again, a mukoyoshi doesnt require the families to marry off their children. Gramps can just adopt someone who wants to take it over if keeping it in the family was the important part.

Also, I think the whole idea that the school for rich kids when Matsuri was able to get in falls apart. Doesnt seem the standards are that high.

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Magical Girl Site is hinting at the yuri earlier than expected.

TIL of mukoyoshi.

Mei's issues seems clearer with this in mind.

This has already been talked about and doesnt really fit. If they were going with this then Mei wouldnt be the one inheriting the school, her husband would be. He would become headmaster and she would just be his wife.

The article linked says that this is usually done because the businesses need male leadership in order to thrive but the school seemed to do fine while it was being ran by a high school girl while Grandpa was hospitalized.

I didnt know this but its a thing for a family to adopt a whole couple instead of marrying off their actual children.

In the end, if this is what Grandpa is going for then Mei's dream to inherit the school was a lost cause from the beginning.

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Mangago should have it updated.

Even from a story standpoint it set itself up for mediocrity at best. Emulating trashy rom-com without an ounce of self-awareness.

I dont know how far you have read into it but this comes off as hilarious if you are caught up. The series breathes self awareness in later chapters.

I think you are misunderstanding Harumin's character is you truly believe that. Harumins has always been one to try and blend into the background, to avoid direct confrontations always she can, this gives her an insight that the other characters lack. Her deciding to wait until Yuzu decides to talk is the logical course of action for her character, she knows something is up but she also knows that unless Yuzu chooses to trust on them and tell what is going on, their involvement would only make things worse. This also shows how she and Matsuri compliment each other since Matsuri is the type to rush head first into the situation but she doesn't know what to do afterwards. I can't tell you what will happen next but the entire scene is there to set up Harumin and Matsuri roles in future chapters.

How is it a misunderstanding of the character just for pointing out the fact that she isnt going to do anything? You just agreed that Harumin has never done anything and never will unless directly asked, so where is this supposed progression? Nothing changes, if there is no change then there is no progression. Even when together with Matsuri they still are not even planning of doing anything.

The mere fact the twins are coming is just enough to show the story is progressing but here's the thing, secondary plot hooks are the ones developing, not the Yuzu one. You might not be happy with it but is progress nonetheless.

No, its not. Im not happy not because its not what I would have wanted, but because it doesn't progress any part of the story. The bit about the twins showing up might as well be as much progress as learning that Yuzu will hang out with Harumin and Matsuri the next day. Fun little factoid, but still not actual progress in any story line.

It's a fuck up because, again, Mei is not an emotionally stable person. Her whole deal is trying to live up to people's expectations and such. She has trouble even recognizing what she wants and yet, he let this fucked up person take over his responsibilities because he needed to chase butterflies. As adults, we sometimes have to do things we don't really want, because that's what being responsible means. Letting your unstable daughter in charge of your fucking responsibility is not responsible and I won't fucking let it slide. All this fucking drama is in great part his to blame

What does that even mean? How is Mei more emotionally unstable than any other character in this story? She isnt emotionally unstable, at least not to the point that she is incapable of making her own decisions. She chose her path, Shou didnt do it for her. He has absolutely no blame in what she is doing now, its entirely on her.

There is a bit of irony in this too. Shou is the adult and therefore must be the one to give up on his dreams and settle down to take over tbe school? Then what about Mei? When she becomes an adult is that when she should break up with Yuzu, find a husband, have a family and then inherit the school from her father? Why should either of them be forced to do any of these? Why can't they both follow their true dreams instead of having to settle living under gandpas shadow?

It doesn't add progression to the Yuzu and Mei plot (and really, did anyone seriously thought it would be solved in just two chapters?) but it does progress the characterization of the side cast while also bringing the twins back as a wild card. So saying that it doesn't add any progression is an outright lie.

Harumin saying she isnt going to do anything is not progress. Its the opposite. And the twins arent back, it was a phone call saying they will be back evetually, no actual progress took place in these 16 pages, we are exactly where we started.

Fuck that noice man. He let an emotionally unstable girl take his responsibilities without a second thought because "He had to search for himself" or some fucking stupid bullshit like that. Don't get me wrong, Mei is not free of fault, but it's the adult's job to not burden children with their own fuck ups

How is it a fuck up? Its not inherently his responsibility no more than it is Meis. Its only their responsibility if they choose to take it, Shou didnt but Mei did. He already gave her enough advice to follow her heart and do what she wants and she chose to inherit the school and get married. She is an adult by Japanese standards and doesnt need her father making decisions for her.