^Oh wow IronLily was ahead of the times lmao

^In fairness it's a newer trend, I think only a week or less old?

She found the girl that changed her life

Belle looks excited, maybe a little nervous, that she found a woman that can fill all her holes at the same time

Surprise Yuri Attack

Dragon sister bonding. Also the artist has a animated version of this https://xcancel.com/Mackerel_Ness/status/1981281486478463015 - which is great as well!

Maybe Soyo will get her revenge during Christmas

Apologies might come a bit late, but admittedly, I did reacted too strongly, up sorry for that. The world hate had pretty strong connotation, especially nowadays (like in the expression hate speech for example) so I do not like when it's used lightly. But in your case, you meant no harm when you used it, and you explained that, so I should have stopped there. I apologized.

I also haven't read much comments on Battant other's stories (or I don't remember), so I'm not really aware of the amount of hateful comment towards her work.

Thanks for explaining more of your thoughts here, and thanks for the apology. Also I want to say apologies to you directly as well for my share. I think some of our views clashed awkwardly and that led to tensions, but I'm glad we could resolve things peacefully!

She's going to get eaten alive, but it will be a champion's death

Even the pictures are shipping them lol

Falin found a way to find out how elf tastes

She can kiss your tummy while you flame lol

Well...that was a reveal I guess, the reveal of all time lol

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I'm definitely not familiar with "sexy cute". Actually just before checking this thread, I saw an alignment chart for characters with the x axis labeled "sexy" on one end and "cute" on the other. And characters placed near the middle would be more "sometimes sexy, other times cute" than "both at the same time".
It's not that sexy and cute are seen as opposite traits, but incongruous.

But yeah, I'll take note of this cultural tidbit going forward. I'd definitely seen that "onii-chan" thing shudders, but I'd never considered it as anything more than a fetish of some gooner otakus. I suppose that type of appeal is more widespread than I thought.

I'm not sure if the whole "onii-chan" thing is that common. I wouldn't say that's the main attribute of sexy cute, as sexy cute can be a large variety of cute flavors and factors. It could simply be a woman that's thought of as sexy even though she's dressing in a way that's simply cute according to some cultures. For that reason I wouldn't say sexy cute is primarily or exclusively a "gooner otaku" thing either. More simply that cute has more overlap with sexy in some cultures than others.

Lovely

As one of the supposed “Battan haters” that seemed to kick off this big debate, figure I’ll clarify myself a little here.

I don’t “hate” Battan. While her works thus far haven’t really been for me, I can at least see why others might like them or find them interesting. I think her strengths are her unique art style and commitment to writing about weird, unorthodox, often messy relationships with flawed characters. Even if I personally don’t really like any of her characters and often find them acting stupid or being awful, I can see how someone else might see them as interesting. And her art style did grow on me a bit and now I do kinda like it.

For me, though, her biggest cons are her characters. Again, I can see why someone ELSE might find them interesting. But I always find them annoyingly stupid, selfish, toxic, etc. Someone else might praise that and say that makes them more human and engaging than most other yuri characters that are just a cookie cutter set of stock personalities and traits. But I just see them as that: awful characters with no redeemable qualities that make me want to root for them or keep reading.

I might be kind of a hypocrite tho lol. I’m still reading Fatale Game despite hating all the characters and not really enjoying any chapter so far. I really wanted to give it a chance since I just could not power through “Run Away with me Girl” and really wanted to see if things might end up developing to a point where the characters actually become more interesting than what I have now come to realize must be the stock standard “toxic Battan character”. But so far no luck.

Maybe I can be classified as a “hater”. Idk. But hey, even though this one shot wasn’t my favorite thing ever, I will say it is categorically my favorite Battan work yet! I think the comedy and shortness of it help prevent that usual toxicity from seeping in and souring things for me (even if it looks like that blonde girl would have been a classic toxic Battan character if this had stretched any longer than a one shot).

In short, I don’t hate Battan so much as I tend to hate her characters. Fans may interpret them as intriguing and flawed characters that feel very human, but I just find them dumb assholes who are toxic in some way for cheap drama. I like her art, but her stories tend to just be too bogged down for me with these stupid characters doing stupid things. It’s so much that it almost feels like Battan WANTS people to hate read her works, like those influencers who purposefully do controversial shit just to get more eyes on them.

That's fair, thanks for further explaining your thoughts. Also I want to say directly to you I apologize for my side of this, be well.

I think your overall take is pretty reasonable, but I'd caution against equating thinking something is bad and hating on, or viewing them as adjacent to each other.

For starters it removes a lot of nuance from the conversation by collapsing the range of possible opinions down to a binary. Either you like it or you hate it; either its great or its awful. In reality, that's not true, there's an entire spectrum of opinions between those extremes and even within that spectrum, people can feels differently about different parts of the work. For example, I found the overall story kind-of meh, but Battan is an excellent artist with a distinctive style. If we were just talking about aesthetics, I'd say she did a great job.

In a similar vein, when just thinking something is bad is synonymous with hating it, you lose the ability to coherently talk about people who legitimately hate on on a work or artist. I'm sure you know the type of person I'm talking about; the type who's rude to other posters, generally vitriolic and not interested in the engaging with the discussion beyond loudly declaring how awful everything is. It helps to be able to distinguish that from more reasonable criticism. Because you do legitimately want to be able to call that out and put a stop to it.

Finally, calling any criticism hating is, itself, toxic to healthy discussion. When you do that you're effectively dismissing the other poster's opinion as excessive and unfounded. You're saying that they're not worth engaging with and then demonstrating that stance by responding to their presumed mental state rather than the content of their post.

To be fair, I don't think you intended to come off like that, based on your responses, but it's hard to not get that impression from your initial post. Like you said, people can have different opinions about how good a work is and it's not really worth arguing about it, but I do think it's worth discussion those opinions, both the positive and the negative, because that's how you discover new aspects of stories and learn more about art as a medium.

I'll keep that in mind, thank you. I wasn't trying to dismiss people or say people can't have less than positive opinions about her and her work. There's various amounts of clashing on the wording being used and views on that, so I'll try to say this in the most hopefully neutrally worded way I can, my main point here was that while I understand Battan isn't for everyone and I'm waiting to see where she takes Fatale Game myself, I think there's often a lot of negative replies surrounding her and it can be hard to read. So I felt disheartened to see some of that here when I think this work is her most benign and simply cute, yes though everyone has their opinions and I guess no matter what she makes there will be negative comments on her work. I shouldn't have said anything about people hating her and her work though, I apologize again for my side of this and anything I said that brought the mood down. I don't wish anyone ill, take care.

Bad and hate are not remotely the same thing. Hate is a feeling, and bad is just an opinion/a qualifier. If anything, I'm pretty indifferent to that short story. I think it's pretty bad, but I have no hate feelings towards it. If anything, I finds it a bit pretty childish to accuse other people that don't like something of hating it...

You responded to me to tell me that people weren't hating on Battan, when to me it felt like some people were and I often see people hating on her and her works. Then you followed it up by telling me that you think the story is bad and it felt like you were being a hater as well, as you added more negativity to the pile. To me that's hate. Plus you're now insulting me by calling me childish, after I apologized in my previous response because I realized I was maybe being ruder than I intended. That's a low blow. Alas though, as I said I don't want to argue, all I can say is I wish you well. Love and Peace.

I don't get why people spit on Battan like this.

Her art is gorgeous, her stories are engaging, with complex, not cardboard cut characters, but somehow she gets some flak because it's not what the average yuri reader wants. Even "Run away with me girl", which ends in pure yuri, isn't immune to criticism because a character dared to get pregnant by a MAN (the horror).

I, for one, love Battan, her art and her stories. They usually speak of adults, with adult problems, sometimes making stupid decisions, sometimes being infuriating, but always being interesting.

Even this story wasn't bad. It's just 10 pages ffs. Don't expect it to be groundbreaking. It was cute and the punchline funny, and that's all it was trying to be.

I'll keep on loving and reading Battan whether some people hate on her or not.

And reading Fatale Game and her twitter, I think she's aware some people hate on her and it must be taking a toll. People are mean for no good reason.

It breaks my heart when the creator sees the hate and it demoralizes them.

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Battan gets sure gets a lot of hate huh?

I'm not sure they are getting that much hate, but to be honest, I find this short story pretty bad.

It was 2 comments here and your "but" follow up statement makes 3 lmao

It's also that I see a fair amount of hate for her around the forums. I get that her work isn't for everyone but she has grown a lot on me over the years. Also I don't think this work was bad personally, it's a cute little short comic with a comedic scenario. I think calling it bad is overkill, but ah well everyone has their opinions lol

Calling someone not liking a story "hate" seems a bit extreme? Similarly, "bad" isn't a particularly intense descriptor for something you don't think is good.

Personally, I think the story is kind-of meh. The "Damn it" at the end is a bit funny, but Reina immediately falling for her once she makes eye contact through the book shelf, after not caring through all her stalking also feels a bit like an anticlimax. It also leaves the discomfort from the stalking undressed, which detracts from the ending.

I feel like the story could have been better if it was about half as long, making it punchier, putting less focus on the stalking, and making it easier for the joke at the end to carry it. Alternatively, it could have gone longer and actually explored each of the character's emotions a bit more, allowing the body of the story to carry more weight. As it stands, it's a bit of an awkward middle ground.

I think I didn't have as nearly as many problems as others did with this comedic little story. In my opinion it was cute and I love the art, that's about it. Also if someone thought the story was bad that strikes me as adjacent to hating it, but I suppose that depends on how one defines "bad" and "hate", maybe for you and the person I was responding to bad doesn't equate to hate. I don't think it's that extreme to hate something that you think is bad, but maybe that's just me.

Anyways, you have a lot of reasons you don't like the story, and that's fair. If people don't like it, think it's bad, hate it, or however you want to describe it that's fine. I enjoyed it more than some people like yourself, and you liked it less. Not the end of the world and no point in arguing. Also I want to apologize for any rudeness on my end.

Battan gets sure gets a lot of hate huh?

I'm not sure they are getting that much hate, but to be honest, I find this short story pretty bad.

It was 2 comments here and your "but" follow up statement makes 3 lmao

It's also that I see a fair amount of hate for her around the forums. I get that her work isn't for everyone but she has grown a lot on me over the years. Also I don't think this work was bad personally, it's a cute little short comic with a comedic scenario. I think calling it bad is overkill, but ah well everyone has their opinions lol

Am I missing out on some sort of cultural context for "cutesy/high-pitched" = "lewd"? Because that's not an association I can recall having heard of before.

I asked around on discord and someone suggested "lewd" might mean something closer to "flirty" instead, which makes more sense in context, but they made that suggestion without looking at the original JP.

In the raws it's エロ声 so erotic voice, lewd voice, sexy voice, however you want to put it.

Sounds like I'm missing cultural context then. I don't see "high pitched/cute/feminine" voices as "lewd or erotic" and have never heard of anyone describing them as such. I've definitely heard more "sultry" voices described as erotic though.

Edit: Then again, these were 5th graders saying that about the MC, so maybe it's meant to be dismissed as something dumb and nonsensical that some kids were saying.

To my knowledge Japan does enjoy a sexy kind of cute, and elements related to that. So I think it's a cultural context thing here.

All over the world we have a sexy kind of cute, this is more about the type that exist in Japan. Just think of that parody voice saying “onii-chan” (or watch japanese porn) that is why they say she has a lewd voice.

I've seen various people in English speaking communities say that cute can't be sexy, so I'm not sure if sexy cute is super normal in the West...? Guess it depends on where you look. Though I think we're more or less on a similar page with what we're thinking lol

Battan gets sure gets a lot of hate huh?

^On one hand I get what you're saying but I think that would remove maybe half of the art here. Plus a good number of translated manga, if not the majority. We're on a "Yarr Matey" website as I'm sure you're aware, and at least artists and sources are properly tagged, so it's easy to discover works and then support the creators from those links.

Poor girl lost the moment eye contact was made lmao

Am I missing out on some sort of cultural context for "cutesy/high-pitched" = "lewd"? Because that's not an association I can recall having heard of before.

I asked around on discord and someone suggested "lewd" might mean something closer to "flirty" instead, which makes more sense in context, but they made that suggestion without looking at the original JP.

In the raws it's エロ声 so erotic voice, lewd voice, sexy voice, however you want to put it.

Sounds like I'm missing cultural context then. I don't see "high pitched/cute/feminine" voices as "lewd or erotic" and have never heard of anyone describing them as such. I've definitely heard more "sultry" voices described as erotic though.

Edit: Then again, these were 5th graders saying that about the MC, so maybe it's meant to be dismissed as something dumb and nonsensical that some kids were saying.

To my knowledge Japan does enjoy a sexy kind of cute, and elements related to that. So I think it's a cultural context thing here.