I still can't see how threesome would work. Maybe it is bc of my selfish nature. In the beginning, I was for team blonde. Now I am not anyone's team. We r half way in the series, yet I still don't see the "bond" between Sumin & Sungji. I dont see how Sumin & Seju can be a couple again in the end. Sumin might ends up with no one. n I am tired of these flashbacks!

My two-cents, to show that I'm not only about criticism...

I think u actually really love the manhwa. I mean who doesn't love fluttering feelings :)

The latest chapter, with Sung-pyo and Seol-a bringing back home a very drunk No-rae is an obvious setup for a conversation between the two. if it doesn't happen or it time-skips to something else (the morning after, or even later), it'll be disappointing.

But...

I don't think there will be a showdown between them, establishing them as rivals or something. Seol-a isn't sure she can seduce No-rae and Sung-pyo never said or thought "I want another chance". I think he's still hesitating.

So, I'm betting on a conversation between them about No-rae and about Sung-pyo's intentions (remember, Seol-a wondered if his presence was a coincidence), which may clear the path for Seol-a.

I agree there would be no showdown between Seol-a & Sung-pye. They will talk abt Nora-e but I doubt they will discuss abt his intention. Sung-pye must have already noticed changes in Nora-e. He sees that she is happy now, and he is not the cause of Nora-e's hapiness. Sung-pye will realize or already realized there is no going back between them. What they had is a memory.

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Well this was needlessly personal.

I wouldn't say it's needlessly. It wouldnt get personal if she didn't repeatedly attacking the author "personally."

She didn't insult anyone personally that was all you. Nya-chan critiqued the authors ability as a writer not as a person. I don't know why you brought up her personal life, maybe it's because you don't have the evidence to counter her argument? or maybe it's because you just aren't articulate enough to layout a sufficient counter argument. That's my honest opinion. I hope you will improve.

When did I insult Nya-chan? Did u read my prior comments? did you read her prior comments? I don't remember I have insulted any members on this board. I don't think I will ever go after someone personally bc I'd get nothing out of it.

Nya-chan's prior comment got personal "Maybe it's something cultural to Korea and this story is tailored to a Korean audience who likes to be blueballed." A Korean audience = a specific Korean audience. we all know who that is. if u dont call this personal I dont know what is.

so yeah I hope in future u will get your story straight before casting stone on someone

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Well this was needlessly personal.

I wouldn't say it's needlessly. It wouldnt get personal if she didn't repeatedly attacking the author "personally."

I never attacked the author as a person. Nor did I ever "insult" her, as you pretend for that matter.

u didn't outright insulting the author but u repeatedly making 'appraisal' that she is lack of experience, bad writing, too much cliques, didn't think things through...The series has NOT ended. you r entited to your opinion but is it fair to the author?

To write a work and release it to the world is to expose yourself to criticism of your work. If you can't handle it, don't write or keep it as a diary.

nothing wrong with your statement. but drawing criticisms on unfinished work?

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When you can't make head or tail, or have to build a fantasy, about what the characters think or why they act the way they do and about where the story is headed, it's not a question of taste, it's just bad writing. Only the characters save this in my eyes.

Even pro mangaka do bad writing sometimes. I'm not casting stones at Ssamba, as I can't write or draw for the life of me, but as a reader of thousands of stories, I can tell she lacks experience and would have needed an editor to help her straighten her storytelling. That's my honest opinion.

If she ever writes something else I hope she will improve.

Nya-chan, you sadden me, your trolling became repetitive and all over the place. I can tell you lack experience and need a girlfriend to help you straighten... censored. That's my honest opinion. I hope you will improve.

Well this was needlessly personal.

I wouldn't say it's needlessly. It wouldnt get personal if she didn't repeatedly attacking the author "personally."

Why do the characters always act like nothing happened in the previous chapter. They think about it, but they don't call the other person out on it. Like you know, Seol-A can ask No-Rae about that almost kiss, or No-Rae could ask Seol-A about that night she sung for her and why Seol-A suddenly went outside. (and the other moments they could have confronted each other)

I mean... why do they always leave things the way it is?

imo it is not easy to confront the one u r crushing on while not know if they r gay. idk love make u weak-second guessing yourself. There are just so much on the line. One mistep, it could ruin ya. It's strange that it was much easier for me to come out to my mom.

I like FF a lot but I don't expect others to like the series the same way that I do. We all have different likes/tastes bc of our culture/background/experience. Bc of my experience, I have no issue with the pacing of this story or how the story is being written. ofc there a few things that I don't like but they are insignificant. It is quite rude n unfair to criticize the author's writing skills bc u disagree with the author's style of writing, especially when ignoring culture environment/background factors influencing the author's writing. It is perfectly fine u dont like Ssamba's writing style but insulting their writing skills is just uncalled for.

Flustered Seol-a is adorable! my friend said Norae said something to Seola that made her fluttered. I don't see why some people r so bothered with the ex. their romantic relationship is over-Norae has moved on. I am perfectly fine with them remaining friends. The ex is a decent guy.

Everyone knows she's not going back with the ex. And that, eventually, something more will happen between Seol-a and No-rae. It's a foreordened thing. Nobody believes a second it's going to be a het ending.

But many people, me included, would have liked to see them going on about their lives as a couple.

This is Ssamba's story. I'd be fine with Ssamba leaving up to our imagination of how Seolo-Norae going about their lives after becoming a couple. I really enjoyed this series so far. So I think I will enjoy the rest of the series.

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Flustered Seol-a is adorable! my friend said Norae said something to Seola that made her fluttered. I don't see why some people r so bothered with the ex. their romantic relationship is over-Norae has moved on. I am perfectly fine with them remaining friends. The ex is a decent guy.

I like Seju now but I don't feel bad for her. She chooses to stay by Sumin's side. No one forces her to. It's sad but it's her choice. imo, she is better off with someone else other than Sumin. What's good abt Sumin?

Thank you for the translation Newp.

So Sumin accepted an expensive gift from Seju? Not cool!

that's a flashback.. and well, her current blue car is from Seju. (birthday present)

It makes sense now. I was wondering why Sumin has been been driving w/o a dl.

I think Seju is going to discover Sungji is different fr other girls Sumin had gone out before

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Thank you for the translation Newp.

So Sumin accepted an expensive gift from Seju? Not cool!

@ Newp
Thank you for the translation.

Yep finally! no interruption! It was well done haha. Hope things will get intestesting onward.

jmv posted:

wrong abt what? wrong abt being optimistic? Abt hoping there is more than one way to resolve the issue? Ofc I dont know if it is possible or not. That is why I said I HOPE. I hope there's other way to break into that phone. If indeed there's no alternative way, that proved u r right & I had false hope.

Let me try to explain this as simply as possible. You are saying you don't have the knowledge necessary to make a judgment on this. That is you and ONLY you. Just because you are lacking that knowledge does not mean that all of us are. I can tell you with absolute certainty that what the FBI is asking of Apple is physically impossible. There is no way for Apple to help the FBI break into this phone. Literally the only way is for the FBI to try and brute force it or obtain the passcode from the phone's owner.

This isn't something that has a possibility for me being wrong here. You just seem to think that your ignorance on the subject means there's somehow magically possibilities that don't in fact exist.

Wow! u claimed u r no expert yet saying it is impossible for you to be wrong here. This matter has ended yet u made a judgement against me. Okay if that makes u happy.

jmv posted:

u insisted on there would be no ways aound it. I say we dont know it yet so we shall see.

This is one of the places that you really need to just accept you're wrong. You clearly don't have any expertise on the subject so you don't know whether it's possible or not. I'm definitely no expert on the subject but I do have quite a bit of experience so I do know what is and isn't possible here. What the FBI is asking is impossible in this case and while possible for future cases if Apple takes action it, as I've repeatedly said, opens up innocent people to abuse and hacking.

wrong abt what? wrong abt being optimistic? Abt hoping there is more than one way to resolve the issue? Ofc I dont know if it is possible or not. That is why I said I HOPE. I hope there's other way to break into that phone. If indeed there's no alternative way, that proved u r right & I had false hope.

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jmv posted:

u know I don't think you're wrong. I see your points n others as well.

You should really make that a lot more clear then because everything you've said up until now has suggested otherwise.

I agreed with the privacy argument. But I mentioned safety is important to me, personally. That mean I would be willing to give up some privacy. Though, I still hope there are ways aound it. u insisted on there would be no ways aound it. I say we dont know it yet so we shall see.

It's not a moot point, if they implement it it will be abused, the FBI should not have that power, neither should Apple really, it should be entirely under the user's control as to what software and encryption is on devices they own and how it reacts to being probed.

I am not disagreeing your points there. I heard congress is going to address cyber privacy issue soon. They probably are going to vote on a new law. Like after 9/11, they passed the patriot act.

jmv posted:

Time will tell right? It is kidda moot point to go back and forth. Let's see how thing pans out.

"I can't counter this and don't want to admit I'm probably wrong here so let's meet in the middle so I don't lose face." At least exit the argument with some dignity ffs.

u know I don't think you're wrong. I see your points n others as well. that is why I said it is a tough issue. There is really no winner in this case. If apple win, we'd get to keep our privacy. Terrorist gets to keep the secrets. Did we really win? If Apple lost, we wouldn't win neither. so I am hoping there is an alternative.

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jmv posted:

are you an apple engineer? How could u know 100% that there is no alternative? I am not a tech savvy so I cannot offer an alternative. I rarely see anything absolute. So I believe there is an alternative to this. Well I have expressed my personal view on this issue. If u believed opposing the government is the optimal choice than trying to work out a solution to benefit the whole nation then it'd be fine too.

I don't need to be an Apple engineer. All you need to be able to tell that what the FBI is asking is impossible is some programming knowledge and knowledge of how operating systems work on even a theoretical level.

There is no alternative to this. It is literally physically impossible to implement any workaround to allow the FBI into the phone. ANY workaround would have to either utilize a backdoor (which doesn't exist, hence this situation) or would require an update to the operating system which would require the phone to be unlocked in the first place. (And thus is a completely moot point since that's the entire goal here in the first place.)

And even if they did implement a backdoor into the operating system you should refer to what I said earlier about opening up the door for abuse and hackers. There is no solution here which doesn't screw over innocent people so the only actual solution is to not put a backdoor in it at all and keep things strongly encrypted.

Time will tell right? It is kidda moot point to go back and forth. Let's see how thing pans out.

jmv posted:

If apple thinks the request is unfeasible then propose an alternative.

Such as what? The whole point of strong security on a device is so that people can't access it. It's a completely moot point if the manufacturer can manage to bypass it because then it means ANYONE will be able to figure it out. The only way that security like this can actually work is to not allow it to be bypassed in any form. Which is what Apple has done here. So even though they made the phone and the operating system they are just as incapable of bypassing the phone's security as the FBI are.

are you an apple engineer? How could u know 100% that there is no alternative? I am not a tech savvy so I cannot offer an alternative. I rarely see anything absolute. So I believe there is an alternative to this. Well I have expressed my personal view on this issue. If u believed opposing the government is the optimal choice than trying to work out a solution to benefit the whole nation then it'd be fine too.

I don't think companies or individuals should comply on all government requests. It depends on the situation, on what's at stake. Because it is related to national security, personally, I'd want both Apple & FBI finding ways to work together. I want to feel safe. I also want my family & friends to feel safe. If apple thinks the request is unfeasible then propose an alternative.

Sumin would be such an arse if she stops half-way after going that far.

couldn't agree more

jmv posted:

I heard a bit abt it. It is so freaking tough when it involves combating terrorism. there must be more than one way to resolve the issue. Fbi just wants to get into the shooter's phone right? Let's see how the privacy issue will pan out in congress. They will have to address the issue soon.

It's not tough at all. Apple installing a backdoor, even on just one single phone, opens up the door for abuse and security issues thus making any encryption on the phone literally useless in the first place. The guy they're investigating is already going to jail for multiple murders regardless of whether Apple helps here or not.

I was thinking apple can help the FBI break into the shooter's iphone then create an update to secure other iphones. The shooter is going to jail to pay for the crime. The info in the phone is important. That info can help the us fighting terrorists or mitigating/preventing future attacks. This could create precedent.

I heard a bit abt it. It is so freaking tough when it involves combating terrorism. there must be more than one way to resolve the issue. Fbi just wants to get into the shooter's phone right? Let's see how the privacy issue will pan out in congress. They will have to address the issue soon.