I don't believe these arguments were made in good faith. My use of the term "development" clearly referred to the growth and change of a character as a person due to experiences within the story - character development. My argument was entirely consistent with that definition. I pointed out that Yuni remains as selfish now as she was at the start, illustrating a lack of character growth or change. This seems like a deliberate misinterpretation of my words.

Project about "bad faith" much? The entire story is about Yuni's changes as a character--her discovery of what she does and doesn't want in a relationship, of her own sexual proclivities, etc.

You started this discussion by demanding that readers enumerate Yuni's positive qualities, and then promptly scorned the answers as "shallow arguments," as if only those aspects of Yuni's character that meet your personal moral standards really count as "development."

To me the expectation that a character must become a "better person" epitomizes a shallow conception of what "character development" means.

I believe you're arguing in bad faith, Blaastar, and persisting in doing so.

I presented an argument about how I perceive Yuni's lack of significant character development since the beginning of the story. You came in asserting that I'm using the term incorrectly, despite your argument being unrelated to what I was trying to convey, as I further clarified in my subsequent post. I don't think it's necessary to continue debating that point.

I firmly believe that an argument based solely on physical attractiveness and sexual compatibility is superficial. Let's agree to disagree on that.

Whether the character development is positive or negative doesn't matter; there's no inherent morality to it. Thus far, I haven't seen any convincing arguments that Yuni has changed. She still exhibits self-centered behavior, lacks communication skills, blames others, and is willing to disregard others' feelings. Moreover, I haven't observed her expressing any sense of remorse in her actions or thoughts, whereas for instance Fuuko has demonstrated meaningful character growth.

Sexual compatibility is definitely not just "superficial," it can solely make or break a relationship. After all of everything else is fine but you're not sexually compatible, why not just be friends?
You also ignored a full half of the points I made for why Fuuko things Yuni is a desirable partner after you asked for them, the two that are specifically about their emotional connection, and then you claim that the only points are "superficial". Are you sure it's everyone else working in bad faith here?
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I think the main significance of the "little kid missing eyeball ghost" flashback is that it might be the first time Michi realizes she can see dead people. Before that maybe she even saw them like Sayaka does, but those gaping eye sockets made ignoring their status as dead people impossible to not notice

Hormonal teenagers ARE a pain in the ass lol. And I don't particularly care about defending a character so much as I can't comprehend "attacking" her. She's a well written complex flawed character. She's not failing to meet any of the requirements of a character, even if she's definitely failing to meet the requirements of an "ethical girlfriend," cuz this ain't a story about ethical girlfriends. Tbh, a story about ethical girlfriends sounds pretty boring. Yuni's job as a character is to be interesting and entertaining, and imo she's doing great at that.

I suppose by this definition, most of the stories on this site are pretty boring.

A manga can have ethical girlfriends without the story being about ethical girlfriends. I don't think there's anything morally questionable to the relationship in "The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy At All" for example (despite the occasional transphobic rhetoric that would pop up in the comments early on of people accusing Mitsuki of "tricking" Aya about her "real" gender). But it's not a story about ethical or unethical behavior it's a story about two punk teenagers who felt isolated finding solidarity and romance and learning to express themselves through Western rock music.

I don't believe these arguments were made in good faith. My use of the term "development" clearly referred to the growth and change of a character as a person due to experiences within the story - character development. My argument was entirely consistent with that definition. I pointed out that Yuni remains as selfish now as she was at the start, illustrating a lack of character growth or change. This seems like a deliberate misinterpretation of my words.

"Could I be wrong or expressed myself poorly? No, it is the entire rest of the comment thread who deliberately misinterpreted me"

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Hormonal teenagers ARE a pain in the ass lol. And I don't particularly care about defending a character so much as I can't comprehend "attacking" her. She's a well written complex flawed character. She's not failing to meet any of the requirements of a character, even if she's definitely failing to meet the requirements of an "ethical girlfriend," cuz this ain't a story about ethical girlfriends. Tbh, a story about ethical girlfriends sounds pretty boring. Yuni's job as a character is to be interesting and entertaining, and imo she's doing great at that.

People talk about "deserve" way too much with romance, it's kinda gross ngl. Nobody "deserves" any romantic relationship, they aren't something you can earn. They are a matter of two (or more) people consenting to be with each other and clearly Fuuko does not share in these extremely negative interpretations of Yuni's character.

Well, go ahead and share some of her positive qualities with us. I'm curious to hear about them, especially since even the author describes her negatively. Then, explain to us how someone who was forgiven for cheating and then betrays that trust again at the first chance can still be considered a good person.

The reasons why Fuuko likes her are probably not going to be universal values that you share, but that's because Fuuko is a different person from you presumably. As for the specifics of those reasons, this is a matter of interpretation/speculation, but:
1) Fuuko spent a lot of time reading Yuni's twitter account, seeing her complain about her gf and feeling lonely and neglected. Fuuko probably saw Yuni as a kindred fellow spirit as a lonely neglected teen lesbian. Nobody likes feeling isolated and that goes like 10x for teenagers.
2) Hot
3) Very sexually compatible
4) In cheating on her official gf, Yuni made Fuuko feel very valued, because it looks like Yuni thought Fuuko was worth breaking rules and getting hated by annoying Internet commentors in order to spend time with her.

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Mitsuki's fashion gets talked up a lot, and it is great, but as a femme I love Aya's looks so much. Those earrings are adorable!

They are super cute, her look as a whole is great. We don't talk about it a lot but one of the things the author clearly puts a lot of care into is the ever changing fashion and accessories of the girls. It's fun :)

I was starting to think this comic was losing steam, the issue "why hasn't this blond fallen out of love with this little freak yet?" was getting harder and harder to ignore, but then they reveal the onee-san's cuck kink and goddamn I'm fully back in lmao. Who cares about rationality, let the good times roll! I want this to keep escalating until it's not in any way recognizable as a modern setting with human characters. Maybe they can start exploring parallel universes find one where they weren't born sisters, or at least one where incest is legal. Maybe aliens invade and the older sister can cuck a Martian. Maybe the little sister and her amazing physical prowess can get recruited as a Valkyrie and fight the Honkai to protect all the beautiful sisters in the world. Nothing is too far for me lol.

It's pretty much yuri as far as I'm concerned lol. Nakajima just needs some time to cook she'll be fine.

Now that the secret is out she has no excuse to not wear her full gear when they hang out together. They will feel the full force of her awesomeness!

Do you want a harem route? Because that's how you get a harem route...

If we have at least a harem chapter leading to a jealous Aya claiming her territory then it will all be worth it

I'm so happy for Xiangyuan :')

Oh no, now everyone knows Mitsuki is in the Yakuza!

"I like you. It's a special kind of like." "It's not an act, I want to stay with [her] forever." You might not expect a happy ending based on your pessimism, but this ain't subtext. This is text. This is unambiguously gay shit.

People talk about "deserve" way too much with romance, it's kinda gross ngl. Nobody "deserves" any romantic relationship, they aren't something you can earn. They are a matter of two (or more) people consenting to be with each other and clearly Fuuko does not share in these extremely negative interpretations of Yuni's character.

If you ever get genderbent for shit n giggles, and you react like Tsubakida, congrats! You are not trans.

I think the point is she's trying to out her family line as cursed and therefore end it. Nothing to do with society as a whole

Lol yeah I was thinking this whole chapter about how strong of a contrast this provides vs the main characters' experience. The author clearly didn't run out of ideas, they just read this thread and other comments, saw the people arguing insistently this can't be a trans story, and decided to insert a plot divergence to spite them. :P

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Oh no she is holding a box cutter in that last panel. That is not a tool for piercing ears oh no

Did.... Did that woman really just kill a kitten by smacking it into her child's face really hard??? Jesus Christ that's over the top.

Nanase is so useless at everything that isn't volleyball. I bet she could find a volleyball in that crowd where she couldn't find the Yuna right in front of her. Seriously though the implication here is that Yuna to her looks generic enough to not stand out. It's not like things have been going well since they got back together but oof. Nanase really feels like the whole reason she fought "for Yuna" was out of competitiveness or territoriality, rather than actually wanting her. Yuna really should just explicitly dump her. No matter what happens with Fuuko. Bet her mom would give her similar advice.

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Yuri / baihe has become incredibly popular in China lately. If you go to Youtube and search, you'll find literally thousands of short and medium-length movies with yuri stories. Some of them are even series, with dozens of episodes! From what I can tell, historical, fantasy and wuxia settings seem to be the biggest favorites.

And, you know, when I read the words "communist yuri" there's one short movie (six and a half minutes) that immediately came to my mind. This is the Youtube link:

Miss Shen and the Woman Warlord

Please don't read the following words until you've watched the video, ok? Because spoilers.

It's actually a shampoo commercial. ^______^ That's right: baihe is so fucking popular right now that they even make short yuri movies as commercials for all sorts of products. Oh and lemme tell you: I'm totally buying myself some Adolph shampoo now. This commercial was so good it totally won me over. ^_~

Lmao wow that is truly incredible. Let us all have a moment of silence for the lesbians who lost their lives in the Chinese revolution

5.6 million dollars is such an absurd amount of money for a painting by an amateur lol. I have no idea what's normal for a Chinese charity auction with Chinese celebrities, dunno why they were even bidding in dollars, but it strikes me as extreme nonetheless.

Yuri between a random Huawei employee and the US implanted spy there to find and/or create evidence the phones are spying on Americans. I'm imagining it like a 4koma type thing. "Oh America-chan, you dropped your hearing aid in that last phone! Good thing I retrieved it for you :)"

Aya's smile on the fourth page is so good. I love this series so much <3

I mean in the present tense, lol. I want Cuban yuri set in the Cuba of now, not decades past.

Actually, there are only 4 countries that can be labeled as communist. PRC, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam.

Late reply, but PRC is only Communist insofar as it's run by a "Communist Party". When they dismantled their universal health care and have multiple market-created billionaires running around, it's hard to call them communist or socialist in any meaningful sense. One could argue that no Communist country has actually been socialist but some faked it better than others.

Couldn't agree more. Some progress towards it has been made on countries with leftists reforms, but sadly due to constant warmongering, coups, infighting and economic blockades a truly socialist country has never existed.

Cuba is genuinely really nice. Like everything I know about it makes it seem like basically the most positive government on earth. Maybe more people would know if they exported more culture besides that book about how to turn a washing machine into a motor bike. We need Cuban yuri

ooh this is really good. Love a well made manga about depression and that feeling of being fundamentally different from everyone else around you, and fascinatingly we've now seen it from both sides: different from all the mermaid people, and the mermaid left out because she's different from all the humans.

The main retcon we've got is still Seo's actions I think. She pivoted on giving up trying to be good so hard she went back in time and worked with Komachi to do a terrorism on the school. The ending of the most recent chapter makes it seem like we're just moving past that without addressing it, too. Backstory time is over, next is action/drama/tragedy time.

Shina was suspicious of Seo since the beach episode at least, and she is an excellent judge of character

Yes but we specifically got inner monologue from Seo about her trying to be good, because she didn't want to get killed. Her setting up a big obvious death trap flies in the face of that.