As lactation fetish porn goes, this is surprisingly romantic.

I could totally see an argument for Suika being asexual/aromantic, or at least being too drunk to even consider such things.

OT3 at the end?

I think for me I just have a hard time seeing Suika in a romantic relationship with anyone, and all the interactions I've seen people do with these two have been of the "non-incestuous sister/buds" sort which seems to really work.

LOL no. The plot point is about Arranged Marriage and you are a fool if you think that only Asian countries have it. You guys just suddenly pulled it out of nowhere and demonized Asian marriages because...well, you guys are not Asians and therefore assumes that it goes this way.

Wait, what?

1) It's not about arranged marriages. Elle isn't having an arranged marriage.

2) Who's demonizing Asian marriages? Can you point them out 'cuz I sure don't see it. We think it's bad there's such a stigma against homosexuals and family pressure, but that's hardly demonizing.

3) Some of the people commenting are Asian, dude. Including at least one from the same country this story is set in.

We don't even know if the story actually happened in an Asian government

We do know it's by a Thai artist and we've had at least one Thai person say this stuff happens there.

The artists simply wanted to create a sad story. Keep any cultural criticism out of sight, please?

Shut up about things that make you think! Shut up shut up SHUT UP!

At no point is she depicted having second thoughts nor being depressed as it should be the case if she were being forced into marrying the guy.

She did say that the reason she didn't tell her sooner is because she didn't want to have doubts. She wanted to go through with it because she didn't want to disappoint her family.

But who knows? Perhaps eventually she will learn to love the guy.

Well, we don't know that she doesn't love him already, in addition to loving Fleur. Again, we don't really know anything much about their relationship at all except that they're comfortable with each other (from the fact that they banter a little on the phone).

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I really freaking love all of Pikachi's stuff! Why, I don't know... XD

That's easy, it's because it's so darn awesome!

Where are you guys getting the idea that the bride is being forced to marriage the guy? All the interactions shown between the two of them depict genuine love.

Wait, what interactions? 100% of what we are shown is a two-panel phone call and a few of the ceremony itself. The only thing you can tell is they're comfortable joking around, which really doesn't impart much information at all.

Small world huh?

Well what do you expect? If you are trying to make something innovative you are looking for stuff that nobody has done before. It's not that rare that people who analyze "what players want" come to the same conclusion after looking at most likely the same statistics. (Then there is also the thing with idea theft but that's another story)

Not to mention, Perception itself calls back to The Devil's Tuning Fork from 2010, although there's no reference to it in the article.

JESUS, PEOPLE. Are we seriously gonna start discussing Asian culture vs western culture around here?
Can you not see that the artist simply wanted to create this story simply because that is what she wanted to and not because of any LGBT propaganda?

The logic in this story is even more ridiculous than any NTR doujin in the world, combined. But the comments...dear god...this is just plain stupidity incarnate!

How DARE we talk about Asian culture about a story whose plot relies on Asian culture? It's stupidity incarnate to talk about such topics that haven't been approved! I am unable to simply go read another topic, so shut up shut up SHUT UP!!

But seriously, "LGBT propaganda"?

Women are often pushed into dependent situations in Japan. Women do not make as much money as men do so many women are dependent on their family until they get married, and then they are dependent on their husbands. Given that coming out as a lesbian in Japan can mean being excommunicated from the family many are stuck in a rather difficult situation. Come out and lose my family and a place to sleep, or not say anything. To meet family obligations, expectations, and appearances I have read a number of times that lesbians in Japan get married, have children, and all the while have a secret relationship on the side with the woman they love.

Just a side note here, this story isn't from Japan. It's from Thailand, by the same artist as Lily Love.

I don't think the Bride confessing all that was planned, but more a reaction to seeing how pained Fleur was during the ceremony, and realizing she had to make a clean break or Fleur would keep hurting herself. It's possible she didn't realize just how much the marriage was hurting Fleur or the intensity of her feelings, and was hoping that she would get past them, only to find that wasn't the case. It's hard to tell.

Ugh, they'd be right at home at MangaFox, home of ruining it for everyone else.

I thought Yuri had grown beyond this old typical bullshit of i love you but must marry because my family wants me to. I find the whole thing pathetic and a waste of time.

marrying for love is a pretty bourgeois western concept.

It's pretty recent even in the west, historically speaking.

I thought Yuri had grown beyond this old typical bullshit of i love you but must marry because my family wants me to. I find the whole thing pathetic and a waste of time.

Yeah, maybe once the culture these stories come from abandons pressure and attitudes like this it might happen. Easy to say as a western fan, where we don't usually have such concerns.

It sold, the "gimmick" worked. Simply by having people even look at whatever they make next is a good thing.

Actually, I think that'll only be effective if they release something actually well put together relatively quickly. Given one of the greatest sins of this game is how dull it is once you've played more than 10 minutes or so, it'd be quite easy for the public to forget about it. So if they don't have something waiting in the wings to take advantage of that, it's entirely possible that attention will dissipate by the time they do have another release. They've chosen a route which is very much a fine balancing act, and many game/film/comic/whatever studios have folded by not managing it. We'll see if they can do it but I have my doubts.

What I will be interested in seeing is whether Steam's new refund policy, introduced the very next day after Hatred's release, will affect ongoing sales. Not to mention how much sales will drop following the initial spike and spate of bad reviews. It'll be worth watching six months from now.

Also, hellyeah Dust! I loved that game, so fun and it made you feel like a real badass with those combos.

"Offbranch" is an interesting way to put it, since from what I gather there's not much more source support for a "main branch" ship like NicoMaki, it's just some of the higher profile/quality doujin authors like Ooshima picked up on them and boosted the popularity. So it mainly comes down to a matter of luck in the end who'll be the OTP and who'll be the crackship.

Really, I think as long as you can justify it and everyone's in-character, then it's a valid ship regardless if they're the fandom's darling or not.

Hatred's publicity was successful, even if it is just a mediocre top-down shooter with not much substance. All it had going for it was selling power: social-disruptive controversy, the more talk about it, the more ppl know of it. Letting people know it's a [game] and it exists -> the basic goal of publicity.

Well, unless you're making a distinction between publicity and marketing, then making people want to spend money on the game is a pretty basic goal too.

Without all the noise it would've quietly sunk like the rest of the average indie games that hit Steam's storefront. With that I give a slow clap to all those who argued for/against it, cuz they were an integral part of the publicity strategy.

Oh, that's clear. Certainly the people arguing against it ended up with egg on their faces. On the other hand the people who were clamoring for it as a chance to "stick it to the SJW's" or whatever also have egg on their faces (because well, it doesn't stick it to anybody really), and are about $20 poorer each to boot. So bravo on successful "gimmick"-based marketing, although I doubt it'll translate into long-term sales and people are gonna side-eye anything else from this studio.

Oh, there's a little trick I heard from Walt Simonson (the artist who made Thor into something truly Epic) that might help with that. When you're planning it out, make your first run just little notes in the panels, dialogue, whatever you've got. You can use that to work out quickly how much goes on each page, tailor the length before you start sketching, set up for double-page spreads in the right places, and so on. Very handy.

That censorship, flying d?

You've never seen a manga censor cockroaches? It seems to happen a lot, not really sure why other than the grossness factor. Or maybe that's the joke, it's this heinous, awful thing and it gets censored in the same way ridiculously awful cooking or similar things are.

I'm actually surprised that the folks on /v/, AKA the most cynical people in existence, didn't bash the gameplay too much after playing, sounds like a solid entry for the genre that ain't exactly innovating but does it's job right
The storytelling however, hehe, that's another deal entirely, this is such a high level of so bad it's good that i admit i got a little interesting in checking it out The cutscenes on youtube at least

Eh, I watched some gameplay and it's full of graphical bugs, it's poorly optimized, has a big problem of getting you stuck on obstacles, enemies are active during executions, vehicles steer like an epileptic brick, controller support is poor at best, and the AI is tremendously dumb, where victims stop running from you after about 20 feet, and then just sort of standing around waiting for you to catch up.

"Functional but otherwise unremarkable twin-stick shooter" seems a good description.

As to the storytelling, I don't know if I could have imagined something that cried out so much for Tommy Wiseau to get involved and raise the quality.

BTW, one more recommendation if you're interested. Cartoon Animation by Preston Blair is excellent for learning how to add structure to stylized/cartoon figures. It's got great stuff that can be applied to pretty much any style, worth checking out.

I got that Date had no idea who the girl was, that wasn't the confusing bit and it got revealed pretty well throughout their interactions. It's her relationship with the others, are they friends? Co-workers? Shadowy government agency they're all under the unwilling control of? I have no idea, they just seem like random people with no clear relation, who meet in an ill-defined location every day to talk about planes. Stuff like that made me feel lost from the start, and the first thing that actually did make sense was Date not knowing who the long-haired girl was. I felt more on solid ground at that point.

I certainly intend to improve myself, drawing comics is interesting 'cause it's most likely you'll end up drawing things that you don't normally draw in a standby drawing, though in this one i didn't really draw the most creative panels I did have a lot of fun drawing the arcade stuff, since it was the closest to an action scene this ever got to

If you want to improve, I've got loads of advice if you're willing. First thing I'd do is grab yourself a copy of Figure Drawing For All Its Worth by Andrew Loomis. It may seem dated, which is understandable given it was written in 1943. But it's easy to find dozens of pros who swear by it. There's seriously tonnes of great info in it, and his manikin concept is a fantastic way to work out poses.

Second thing is to get yourself a good anatomy book. Constructive Anatomy by George Bridgeman or Atlas of Human Anatomy For the Artist by Stephen Rogers Peck. Both are pretty easy/cheap to get, and both have lots of good simplifaction of anatomy for artistic purposes (i.e., you don't need to know every muscle in the wrist works, but you need to know how they work as a unit, etc.). if you go the Bridgeman route, a good companion volume (and cheap as well) is The Human Figure by David K. Rubins.

For perspective, there are loads of good resources, but I like Perspective Made Easy by Ernest Norling, which is easily available and quite cheap.

Beyond that, find a place where you can do life drawing. Drawing real things and people is best by far for several reasons, but if you're really stuck for human models then a site like Pixelovely is an okay stopgap measure. Don't bother with Posemaniacs, by the way. The poses are okay, but the anatomy is very misleading.

Now at this point you're probably wondering why I'm recommending all this realistic stuff when you just wanna draw comics in your style. But the purpose of all this is to give you structure and a foundation to work from. Too many artists start from the style end, and honestly that's bass ackwards. It's like starting to build a house by putting paint and curtains on an empty lot, it just ends up as a mess. The best comic artists and animators know their anatomy and structure, and it'll help you too. Plus, it gets pretty fun to do and means you can vary your style in the end however you like.

But by all means keep drawing even thought you haven't learned all that stuff. Drawing no matter what is definitely key.

Oh, and while I'm at it a couple of resources for comic storytelling. You can't go wrong with Comics and Sequential Art by Will Eisner, and of course Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics and Making Comics. But you might also get some value out of a book on movie storytelling The Five C's of Cinematography by Joseph V. Mascelli since many of the concepts carry over.

Even if you don't take any of that on board, I'll be interested in seeing where you go with it.

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I don't think anyone expected Hatred to be good.........right?

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Series: Shantae Pairing: Shantae x Risky Boots Link: deviantart

I didn't expect it to be good, but I don't think anyone expected it to be quite this level of inept. Or for that matter, dull.

Although the idea of doing a pacifist run does sound kind of amusing.

I gotta be perfectly honest, there's a lot in the story that confused me, especially at the beginning. Not going into too much detail, but even by the end of the story I don't know who the people she meets every day are, little if anything about the setting, and not that much about the two girls either. The verbal fencing between them was nice, and the bits at the arcade and apartment flowed pretty well although there were times they seemed to do things unexpectedly.

The art makes me think of the really oldschool stuff that western fans made based on anime and such back in the early 90s, the way the faces, bodies and hair were drawn, plus the heavy blacks. Not sure if that was deliberate, but it felt kind of nostalgic that way.

Certainly good for an early attempt in any case, although you really should take none's comment to heart and study up on your anatomy and structure leading up to your next project. The more of that you can do, the better your results will be.