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Purple Library Guy
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How many more volumes until this arc wraps itself up? I feel like I started reading one manga, a cutesy couple's life manga about a musician lacking confidence and her kouhai who helps spur her on to move forward with what she loves, but after about a volume or so the mangaka decided to turn it into a completely different one, except sometimes they write a chapter or two or even just a scene for that first manga. I thought the Shiho arc was gonna be like, a volume-long rivalry arc but it's just absolutely taken over this entire series and ruined a lot of the potential. Any time another major character is introduced I'll be rolling my eyes anticipating them taking over the show for several volumes and only giving me the manga I was initially promised once in a blue moon.

I just want the fucking manga that released in volume one back

Yeah, kind of agree. I actually feel like the mangaka maybe really intended to write that first manga, only to discover partway in that she has a terrible time coming up with cutesy-couple-relationship material, and so she goes with the other stuff.

Purple Library Guy
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So is it just me or did Morikubo go from kinda cute and innocent to sexy as hell with just this last panel?

Just you. I noticed she was sexy well before then. (Also suspicious)

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From the "bottom" of my heart, alright.

Aw, beat me to it.

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Is that Atsumi Munakata in the first page?

If I had to guess, I'd say no. The small image has, in addition to the two meatballs, got an antenna, which Munakata doesn't, and I think a slightly rounder face. Antennas are usually a persistent character design feature, so.

Purple Library Guy
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It's love, but losing her temper like that it's out of character, considering her "opponent" is royalty, right? devoted to the people, no matter what she says, she won't take Claire unless she's willing to giving up all her responsibilities. And then she got beat up easily, knowing she was going to lose in the first place, it really hurts to watch, shameful display... dishonor.

Shameful? Dishonour? What do those things have to do with whether you can win a fight?
Shame and dishonour would belong to the high status bully with unstoppable magic who picks a fight with a commoner she can be sure has no chance of defeating her.

(Of course that girl is a walking plot device so she's probably just been playing the bully all this time in order to make Lady Claire realize her feelings when she sees the girl all beat up. But if her whole behaviour wasn't just an implausible ruse, she would be a dishonourable thug)

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Purple Library Guy
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the tiny track team tomboy

That's some snazzy alliteration you're rocking there.

Purple Library Guy
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It weirds me out that the fitness instructor smokes. I know, I know--even where I live that wasn't unusual a few decades ago. Not a criticism. Just weirds me out.

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Which, I mean, sure. Hats are important.

Dot's right. Und any manga vere hyu loze hyur hat iz a bad manga.

Heeheehee!!! Just ask Gilgamesh Wulfenbach, Schmott Guy!

Purple Library Guy
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Headcannon can play that for me plenty well.

Headcannon

YES!!!

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Okay this was freaking adorable and I can't wait for more the idiot couple tag has never felt more at home than right here on this series haha.

Not so much an idiot couple as idiots who are a couple.

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They read like Japanese cops to me. Japanese police are very friendly and helpful, and Japan has a 'problem' of "too many police officers, not enough crime", so they often have time to kill... buying lewd dakimakura covers, I suppose, like any respectable person with time to kill in Akiba.

I do like the hat theory, though. We need more yuri with hats. That's what's great about Touhou, ZUN is a creator who truly understands the importance of girls in hats.

This. It's funny, I think we're so used to dramatic police shows where there's a murder every five minutes that when we see a story about police that reflects a more realistic crime level it seems unrealistic.

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That is an awesome movie title.

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I do think it's going to turn out that her parents are bad and she's having trouble with problematic guy relationships and she's screwed up on the inside and all that jazz. And I won't go so far as to say I don't give a damn. But whatever her situation is, it would probably be a lot better if she hadn't adopted a strategy of deliberate worthlessness.

And as a reader, knowing that the writer is going to busily turn around the initial impression and try to redeem her just makes me more annoyed, really. I wouldn't mind having an annoying character so much if I didn't think the mangaka was about to tell me "No, you can't consider her annoying because we're shaping the plot that way" when sorry, she's bloody annoying and nothing the storyteller can do is really going to fix that.

To me she stinks of "Progress is moving too fast, editor thinks we need to stall, so add a random character to create some complications". And for me that's an unnecessary story approach anyway. Assuming we have 2X chapters left, I would much rather spend X chapters getting to the confession and then X chapters on nice relationship stuff, than X chapters on complications with annoying side character and then X chapters getting to the confession, the end.

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But this girl has made a decision to be useless and dependent. She only needs help because she has explicitly chosen not to do anything that would make her not need help.

??? She's just unemployed? There's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might be unemployed. This is pretty excessively harsh on a girl we still know very little about.

Not unemployed. "funemployed". Asked "Are you planning on paying rent" she didn't say either "Yes" or "As soon as I find a job", she said "'Course not". She didn't want to be a normal, pulling-your-weight roommate, she wanted to be "adopted". And her past situation was the same, apparently she never paid any rent while she lived with Ruriko before: Ruriko notes that she treated the two differently because "She pays rent and you were a useless freeloader". There is no indication she has any interest in or intention to find anything like a job. Nor does it sound like she contributed to the maintenance of the household while she lived with Ruriko before, instead making extra work for Ruriko (leaving her socks around etc).

Her basic position seems to be "I'm cute, so let me stay with you and be useless (wink, giggle)."

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You know, I believe in helping out friends when they need you. But this girl has made a decision to be useless and dependent. She only needs help because she has explicitly chosen not to do anything that would make her not need help.

I have no problem with laziness, I'm lazy myself--if I could live comfortably without either working or IMPOSING ON OTHER PEOPLE, I would. But it's unethical to say, I'm going to do nothing, and sponge off my "friends" hard work. So like, make them work harder to support me. That's not a friend, that's a sponge. An ethical lazy person understands that everyone has the same right to laziness; if I don't like work, it's wrong to impose extra work on others. This kid wants not only to sponge off them, she wants to be high-maintenance while she does so. To hell with her.

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YES ADOPT THE FLUFFY AIRHEAD!!!!

Tbh I'm a bit shocked at how many people don't like Rio and this situation. She seems like a fun character who will undoubtedly speed up the progress of these two, what's not to like?

That she's an annoying pushy self-centred useless brat?

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The issue here isn't even that Aya did this. It's that there is no commentary from the author. It wouldn't be the first relationship that has had a terrible moment that can be salvaged, but it's treated both in the manga and the LNs as just another event between them. I'm not asking for moralizing from author, but some kind of acknowledgement that that was really fucked up.

Honestly, I don't believe this is worse than your standard shoujo smut fare.

I read quite a bit of shoujo. Standard shoujo smut fare has changed in that respect since the 90s. You don't get much like this any more.
Not going to take a position on the scene in general, just thought this point specifically was inaccurate.

Purple Library Guy
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I love the balance of the hair and the roses.

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Once again, capitalism's brutal working conditions rear their ugly head and aim to destroy the joy of two lesbiabs. Woe.

Yes, they should have looked in Venezuela....

Well, it's true that trying to adopt an economic system which will cause the world's biggest military, espionage and economic power to go after you is unlikely to work out well. But that has little to do with the specifics of what you're doing, and mostly to do with the empire not liking you.

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By the way for anyone who is unaware, this seems to take place in a “cultivation” novel setting, which is kinda like wuxia but cranked to 11.

If wuxia can be described as a historical(ish) martial artists and the use of “qi” energy, then cultivation novels would be in the xianxia genre, which takes the martial arts and internal energy base from wuxia, but takes it from low fantasy to high fantasy.

Hmmm . . . for people that dig the term "high fantasy" in its own context, that might be a bit misleading. I'd say more "takes it from low fantasy to powergaming fantasy". I would consider "high fantasy" to normally be less about big power levels and more about high concept--mythic symbolism, large events, a certain seriousness. So for instance, the archetypal "high fantasy" is The Lord of the Rings, revolving around a Fellowship of nine people, of whom: Six (including the MC) have no magical powers whatsoever, one has crucial but minor and specialized healing abilities, one is only "magic" in the sense of being an elf, and one is a wizard who casts few and minor spells. Four of them aren't even worth much as fighters. They have two magical weapons, one magic chain shirt, end up with some nice ropes and nifty camouflage cloaks, one magical flashlight. Eventually turns out the wizard has a magic ring that is very important but whose actual powers are so subtle as to be unspecified. But as high fantasy goes, it's STILL the highest.

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Well, anyhow, I liked the chapter.

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That's one of the biggest problem in Japan. If you're not a college graduate of "something", you basically can't be hired for a desk job. Especially women. Even if it's a job you can do without any degree. The classic: no diploma no hiring, no hiring no experience, no experience no hiring.

Western job market is a bit more flexible, but Japanese companies hire almost exclusively graduates. And hiring non graduates would probably provoke anger in the already hired staff ("I bust my ass to graduate, why is this person getting the same job as me") even if the person is uber-competent and it would lead to workplace bullying.

I was looking at a video for people wanting to live in Japan, and the guy was like: have a degree. It'll make things for you MUCH easier. People will respect you. If you don't, they'll look down on you and you'll have a hard time finding a job.

Wow. And I thought we had credentialism.

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I'm so glad this isn't in the horror genre because the very existence of a "demon nun" would scare the shit out of me. Few things are more horrifying to me than demons posing as holy people and successfully fooling others.

Frankly, I find demons less horrifying than plenty of "holy people". Spiritual belief is OK I guess, but organized religion has a strong tendency to vicious hierarchy devoted to perpetuation and intensification of unjust status quos and advocacy of vile prejudice and oppression. There's plenty of indigenous North Americans that I can guarantee fear nuns more than demons.

The one thing I don't understand at this stage of the story is why both Evie and the readers all seem to be assuming that the nun just turned out to be a demon, like all along. I kind of have the feeling maybe that's how it is, but on the face of it, isn't it just as plausible that the nun used to be a human, who was then killed or captured and replaced by a demon impersonator relatively recently? Just because on being discovered she played it cool and worked hard to give Evie the impression that there's nothing to see here, doesn't mean it's TRUE.

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i thought this was supposed to be a wholesome story, not one that highlights the soulless, brutal reality of life in a modern capitalistic world and the hopelessness of it all

I actually find this particular problem a bit odd. Are there really a ton of recent college grads beating a path to sleepy little islands to compete with our pair? I can see having trouble finding jobs, but more just 'cause there ain't hardly any. There aren't a lot of jobs in little rural places because their economies tend to be shrinking, few customers in the shops, few opportunities to start something new because there wouldn't be demand for whatever your product. But I wouldn't expect most of the job offers that exist to be looking that askance at college dropouts.

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This almost certainly wasnt the authors intent but Xiaoen feels very nuerodivergent to me, I think its cool even if its unintentional

I think it's already fair to say Xiaoen isn't neurotypical.

Maybe it's cause I'm old, but the current obsession with labeling everyone to death turns me off. She is who she is. Can't someone just be a little unique without getting categorized?