How dare you, short hair is wonderful!

Short hair can be nice, but I don't like hers. Especially compared to the long hair alternative. She's so much more adorable with it.

I had forgotten about the haircut. I'm not sure how a dramatic explosion would relate to that, unless they have to cut the hair to fix damage to her scalp. Should definitely be interesting...

Hair catches fire or gets damaged in some way? I may just be paranoid because I don't like the new hair.

Shouldn't worry too much going by the pictures of them in general.

I'm just worrying this is where Sun Jing's hair changes...

No I can't. Funny I can deny this just fine.

Sorry if I seem snappy, but I'm tired and frustrated seeing comments wishing death on two characters who don't deserve it, and happy endings for two characters, one of whom is perfectly deserving, the other likely a psychopath. I don't get how people are looking at Fujiwara and instead of going 'crazy, hope he gets what's coming to him' are going 'I hope he gets a happy yaoi end'.

Fuck Fujiwara.

In the bad way.

On my phone, there is a menu button at the top, in the blue bit. Then above your account name is another menu. From there select subscribe.

Best ending: the girls are hit by a car while attempting to meet at a hotel. The guys find comfort in each other's arms.

... No.

The real twist is that the husbands are off on an all inclusive golfing-fishing-yaoi vacation.

I read this as "golfing-fisting-yaoi vacation" at first and I'm glad that wasn't right.

I'm not...

I'm assuming it's just me who hear the 'blame Hotaru' camp as treating Yuma like she belongs to Takeda? Some sound a little like they're treating this more as theft than anything...

To hell with the guys. I can't empathize with them at all. There's plenty of fishes in the sea for them.

Because that is so not fair to us. It's not like us guys more heterosexual than homosexual fall in love with anything we can thrust our sword in. There's only 'at most' one special person for us at any given time the same exact way (since I still don't know where I stand on the concept of having more than one romantic partner at any given time, I'll assume it isn't a thing for sake of ease of argument only...it's rather irrelevant in this case). But all the same you're on the right track with the fact I see Hotaru and Yuma fitting together nicely and they seem to work well for each other.

Did you miss part of the post? I don't think they were saying that about all guys, just the ones in the manga.

At the end why did the girl with the black hair look mad or something?

She wasn't happy because she saw the other two kiss, and thinks she's losing Yuma.

looked more like she was scared because her boyfriend almost assaulted her

Good point, I derped there. Just remembered the look she had before that bit, was going off that.

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At the end why did the girl with the black hair look mad or something?

She wasn't happy because she saw the other two kiss, and thinks she's losing Yuma.

I never thought id say this but i really cant bring myself to cheer on for the yuri ending this is leaning towards here because honestly the relationship between yuma and the guy is so much healthier? Even if Yuma never explicitly stated that she didn't want to make out with hotaru or whatever it's still just really iffy consent wise? idk
def not saying i want a het ending tho. god no

Wouldn't say healthier, more the author flip flopped between which pairing the wanted in the chapters.

"As long as she doesn't steal Takeda" Ending foreshadowed, this was not the NTR we were thinking it was.

Interesting that Yuma spoke like she was cheated on when Hotaru started dating... Though she seemed quite into Takeda when they kissed. Far more comfortable than with Hotaru... Hmm, chapter didn't make me feel much faith in her cause. Felt some sympathy for her though, seemed so sad.

Her personality hasn't changed, but it was a part of her character I'm not all that happy to see change.

Whatever it is, I'll give them the benefit of doubt.

To be fair to that kind of hentai, sometimes I read it to make myself angry. It's pretty good at that.

I should see a doctor.

I don't think this is all that without love, just the annoying 'we're actually best friends' kind. But I do think the two girls share a love. I'm just not sure I trust it given what I've heard of the mangaka.

Why exactly?

Is an interesting twist and shows that Saburota still has room to keep developing her characters.

I don't find it interesting in the least. Yuzu's gyaru-ness was the defining attribute of her character. The basis of most of her actions and relationships has been gyaru in the wrong environment. At lot of her interaction with Mei and her friendship with Harumin were based on it. I'm probably putting too much stock in it, but I feel like the hair colour change has washed away a lot of who Yuzu is.

Yuri Hime will published monthly starting 2016
less focused on yuri
https://yurination.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/yuri-hime-to-begin-publishing-monthly-in-2016/

If you are right, I doubt anything bar bat credit card could make me more angry!

I was expecting a yuri is dead out of you though...

From the sounds some people, the only loving relationship is the possibly incesty one...

Robot was best thing in the whole franchise. -_-

You make some interesting points but I fear that you are missing the crux of my argument. It doesn't matter that I don't really know anything about him, or that he is a blank slate and unlikely to change. What matters is that he is a human being in a bad situation. In real life If I saw some one in a shitty situation I would feel bad for them regardless of whether I knew anything about them or not, because as a fellow human being I can image myself in the same scenario and empathize. Obviously this is not real life but I believe the same logic applies. He is a human in a terrible situation, because having your girlfriend cheat on you with someone that is actively trying to steal them is terrible, and as a human I can place my self in that position, see how awful it is and want it to get better for them not because I know them, but because they are human.

For the first point, I'll have to agree to disagree. What you call a person, I do not, and I'll fully accept we just see this differently. When reading fiction, I expect the author to make them human, and I respect your differing view.

Perhaps it's because I have a bit of an outsiders view on relationships, but I do not believe cheating to be as bad as you make it morally or universally, but I am not familiar with the circumstance myself, and so I must concede it's horribleness to you.

I do however agree that just because he is nice it does not mean that Yuma is under any obligation to date him, and as you say it doesn't seem that she wants to. However if the alternative is to have her dating Hotaru then I would rather her be single because I don't believe that nasty behavior as shown by Hotaru should be rewarded. What I was suggesting was, that out of the two potential couples we have been shown, I would prefer the one with guy in it, because thus far he has treated her better than Hotaru, and if Yuma does not want to date him then I believe it would be best for her to remain single as Hotaru has treated her rather nastily thus far.

I think of the two couples shown, the wishes of those involved are paramount, regardless of whether you think one deserves it or not. Nor do I believe that ones actions, or at least those of Hotaru thus far, should preclude her from having a relationship with Yuma, however I'll concede that as different moral outlook.

Which leads on to my next point of disagreement, the nastiness of Hotaru's actions. I don't believe I exaggerated at all, because no matter how you look at forcing your self onto someone who is in a relationship is a shitty thing to do. It's not a matter of who got there first it's a matter of human decency. This man is in a relationship, with someone we can assume he cares about, and to try and steal his girlfriend, going so have as to force yourself on them, is dick move, regardless of the context. In terms of Yuma's feeling while you are right that they seem to be drifting towards Hotaru, that is for her to discover and work out. It is not Hotaru's place to push herself on Yuma in an attempt to coax these feelings out especially not when she has a boyfriend

Thing is, the matter of him being in the relationship IS just him being there first. His feelings are not the most important thing here. If he gets hurt, he rips off a band aide. He moves on, assuming he's well adjusted enough. Yuma discovering herself is by far more important, and if it takes Hotaru not being perfect, so be it. She is in high school isn't she? She can act selfishly and not be Satan for it.

The bottom line is that even if I don't know enough about him to 'like him per-say, I still know enough about his situation that I wish for it to improve, and so in that sense I am rooting for him and hoping that things will get better for him. On the other side of things it is my opinion that Hotaru has behaved unkindly and done nothing that deserves reward or the affections of Yuma, so I cannot possibly support a yuri ending.

I can't root for someone based entirely on their situation, but that's just me I guess.

Please let me know if I haven't been clear, but know if you reply, I'll be gone to bed, so look out for my response tomorrow I guess for you.

It was fun for me to read you view on this, though a bit of a headache trying to see things your way before bed, ha!

Edited to say I like what ColnolCat said, and it's kind of (stressing that) like what I want to say, only smart people like and coherent.

I think.

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SHE LITERALLY JUST TOLD YOU WHY!

JUST... READ A PANEL AGO!

GAAAAAAAAAAH!

Ugh, wish I hadn't seen this thread, made me all misty eyed before bed. ;~;

I empathize with him as a human being. It doesn't matter that I don't really know anything about him, what matters is that I see him in an unfortunate situation and I feel bad for him, because I know that I would feel bad in the same situation ( heck maybe him being so bland makes it easier to self insert.)

Believe me, I've noticed being bland makes it easier to self insert. And so has every hack harem author ever. -_-

I will concede that Hotaru is, at this moment in time, a more interesting character, as we have a greater understanding of her background and have seen more of her behavior, but this doesn't mean that I am under any obligation to like her, because frankly so far she has been pretty awful, disregarding the feelings of both Yuma and her boyfriend. So just because we know less about him doesn't mean we should treat the guy as if he isn't real. In any story I'll root for the person who I can most empathize with, who I have a reason to support, and in this case my reason for supporting him is that, knowing little about him he is nicer, and a better friend to Yuma, than Hotaru, who thus far has acted rather callously.

The thing is, he isn't real. He's a means to a storytelling end. Most people will not care because simply, he is not a character yet. He is a blank slate piece of plot machinery in this chapter. There is nothing to empathize with. There is no one to support. There is only background decoration.

What even are you rooting for? Given Yumas reaction, she isn't all that into him, and it's twisted thinking where you believe she should be with someone she doesn't want to be based entirely on 'he's nice to her'.

Knowing little about him does not help me like him. He could have any background imaginable. What we have seen might seem nicer, but we do not know that about him. We've only caught a glimpse of him.

Quite simply, I think you're inflating the 'awful'-ness of Hotaru's actions. As we see from Yuma's monologue, her feelings certainly seem inclined towards Hotaru, so I don't see how she's disregarding them, and why should the guys feelings interfere just because he was there first?

It isn't about who might make the more interesting story it's about who I prefer as a character and that is most definitely the guy.

Just in case you didn't get it above, he ISN'T a character.

it's only that page, (and who knows if that was caused by the bad translations)

not exactly infamous, actually is fairly well liked...

I think that mess started cuz of my comment pointing out how the mangaka uses yuri (as just porn appeal, spice things up). There are no signs of things going the wrong way so far, yuri-wise. But be warry.

Ah right, faulty memory, fair enough.