Can someone explain why is Citrus not finished

Citrus is completed. This is Citrus +, which depicts events before the ending of Citrus.

Of course that's technically true, but Citrus+ continues the themes the characters and themes of the original series; I still think of it as "Citrus" too.

Since Citrus was one of the most popular and talked-about yuri series ever, it is rather surprising to see this in effect abandoned by the author (although maybe only temporarily).

abandoned? A few chapters ago someone posted a comment on this forum that Yurihime magazine must not have been very happy. perhaps it is the magazine itself that has said enough . It's all quite strange because they haven't even closed volume 6 to put it on sale. It's sad to say but citrus+ is nowhere near as popular as the original series and more and more people have gone abandoning it little by little. We'll see what happens in the future.

Are these a lot of assumptions or are there facts out there that suggest it's not doing well?

As far as I can tell, all we definitely know for sure is that there have been long delays between the appearance of Citrus+ chapters and obvious quality-control issues in some of the chapters that have appeared (such as un-inked and partially toned pages and goofs like a glass of soda apparently growing out of a character’s head).

Readers’ first inclinations were to speculate about Saburouta’s health, then to infer from fragments of evidence a fading degree of authorial interest, and now a potential problem with sales/popularity.

I do think it’s safe to say that Citrus+ isn’t helping with magazine sales when it isn’t in the magazine.

Definitely. But, as far as I know, the reasons for the delays aren't known. I was wondering if the previous person was just spreading assumptions or had actual evidence of bad sales or waning interest being the culprit. I'm not really interested in rumors--unless new info comes out, I'm fine leaving it with an "idk" and waiting. Guess we'll see.

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Can someone explain why is Citrus not finished

Citrus is completed. This is Citrus +, which depicts events before the ending of Citrus.

Of course that's technically true, but Citrus+ continues the themes the characters and themes of the original series; I still think of it as "Citrus" too.

Since Citrus was one of the most popular and talked-about yuri series ever, it is rather surprising to see this in effect abandoned by the author (although maybe only temporarily).

abandoned? A few chapters ago someone posted a comment on this forum that Yurihime magazine must not have been very happy. perhaps it is the magazine itself that has said enough . It's all quite strange because they haven't even closed volume 6 to put it on sale. It's sad to say but citrus+ is nowhere near as popular as the original series and more and more people have gone abandoning it little by little. We'll see what happens in the future.

Are these a lot of assumptions or are there facts out there that suggest it's not doing well?

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Annnnnd we're back. No worries.

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Can someone explain why is Citrus not finished

Citrus is completed. This is Citrus +, which depicts events before the ending of Citrus.

Wait, I just realized a potential plot hole. Eve didn't have memories from the time as a kid because her future self and past self swapped thus those memories didn't exist, but in the place she should have had memories of a two months with some random lady but actually doesn't have any memories from then.

What does "should" mean here though? She could easily just lose her memory on the way back, or forget over time, or her memory and sense of time could be hazy after traveling back, making her think she was in a dream, or it could be like Miyazaki's recent film, The Boy and the Heron. There's lots of ways around that because the only character who knows "the rules" is the future woman.

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Could someone recommend me mangas where the two characters are a couple, they fight and split up (and I mean an actual fight, not a peaceful breakup), then either one of them vanishes from the story completely while the other moves on to another partner and ends up happy, or they both stay in the story and find their own partners and end up happy?

Something like Lily Love and its sequel and the whole thing that happened with Ploy in those two works,

"How Do We Relationship," by Tamifull. Although they'll likely find their way back together in the end. Still, it's not a quick thing (they breakup around volume 4 and we're at 12 now? I forget). The breakup is serious, understandable and has lasting effects. They date other people, who are actual characters you love and root for and they have new, realistic struggles in those relationships that force them to learn more about themselves. They remain best friends through it all, though. It's ongoing and is one of my absolute favorites. It just depends on what you mean by "peaceful." It wasn't peaceful in the moment, even if they reconciled.

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Don't feel bad that you forgot her. She's barely there. Part of why I find it hard to root for that reunion.

That's the opposite for me. I can't invest myself into Nanao because of the Mai plot.

It certainly hangs over the entire series. I agree with that.

Appropriately, as it does so for Asumi as well.

I've got no issue with that, just with how little we know of her character after all this time. She also could find Asumi if she really wanted to but is doing this waiting game. For me to root for her outcome over that of Nanao for example, I want a bit more to go off of. Hopefully that starts coming.

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Don't feel bad that you forgot her. She's barely there. Part of why I find it hard to root for that reunion.

That's the opposite for me. I can't invest myself into Nanao because of the Mai plot.

It certainly hangs over the entire series. I agree with that.

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I don't believe these arguments were made in good faith. My use of the term "development" clearly referred to the growth and change of a character as a person due to experiences within the story - character development. My argument was entirely consistent with that definition. I pointed out that Yuni remains as selfish now as she was at the start, illustrating a lack of character growth or change. This seems like a deliberate misinterpretation of my words.

Yuni has changed. She is not the same person now as she was before. She has developed quite a bit. No matter which angle we attack this from, your clarification doesn't change much. Whether you're realizing it or not, your choice of words seems to imply a certain idea about what counts as development. I also don't know why anyone would deliberately misinterpret something. We don't even know each other and it's a relaxed, casual discussion. Why would anyone do that?

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The series does so much right, it's amazing.

Yeah, "pussy" would be an awful safe word.

Ah, that's what it was about. :D On the down side, we've never learned what Asumi's safeword is...

Hopefully this is where she meets Mai so we can have some real drama.

Who was this Mai, again?..

Don't feel bad that you forgot her. She's barely there. Part of why I find it hard to root for that reunion. She also has the ability to contact Asumi but is being very lax about the whole thing.

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Hormonal teenagers ARE a pain in the ass lol. And I don't particularly care about defending a character so much as I can't comprehend "attacking" her. She's a well written complex flawed character. She's not failing to meet any of the requirements of a character, even if she's definitely failing to meet the requirements of an "ethical girlfriend," cuz this ain't a story about ethical girlfriends. Tbh, a story about ethical girlfriends sounds pretty boring. Yuni's job as a character is to be interesting and entertaining, and imo she's doing great at that.

Yeah, she's great. I'm also a bit confused by the suggestion that Yuni hasn't received much development. I'm not sure what that might mean. She may not have developed in the way some might want but that's not a requirement for narrative development. She's had the most development, rivaled only by her "partner in crime."

It's the traditional equivocation/ambiguity/confusion between "character development" defined as;

• Character grows and changes as a person (presumptively for "the better," whatever that may mean in a given context) because of experiences in the story

• Different aspects of a character are revealed or explained

The first one is something the character (i.e., the imaginary person) does, the second is done by the author to the character for the sake of readers.

Since I have little interest in characters as imaginary friends and I do care about how stories are told, I generally don't have much investment in whether an imaginary person "changes for the better" or not.

Definitely. I picked up on that too.

Hormonal teenagers ARE a pain in the ass lol. And I don't particularly care about defending a character so much as I can't comprehend "attacking" her. She's a well written complex flawed character. She's not failing to meet any of the requirements of a character, even if she's definitely failing to meet the requirements of an "ethical girlfriend," cuz this ain't a story about ethical girlfriends. Tbh, a story about ethical girlfriends sounds pretty boring. Yuni's job as a character is to be interesting and entertaining, and imo she's doing great at that.

Yeah, she's great. I'm also a bit confused by the suggestion that Yuni hasn't received much development. I'm not sure what that might mean. She may not have developed in the way some might want but that's not a requirement for narrative development. She's had the most development, rivaled only by her "partner in crime."

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Now that's a kiss and a (wedding) ring all at once. Another great chapter. Now I wonder how the power couple will solve this problem using this new knowledge.

This is sweet but I'm wondering when we'll get back to Mistuki's threat of leaving.

The sale is to quickly make money for the ticket. /doommongering

That would be a twist lol.

This is sweet but I'm wondering when we'll get back to Mistuki's threat of leaving. I thought that would create more forward momentum but it's taken a bit of a backseat. I rarely have an idea of what'll happen next in this manga since each chapter is in some ways connected but also disconnected from what came before it.

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Honestly, the most unrealistic thing in this series is the fact that Aki felt in love with Yori instead of Shiho. I wonder what kind of thought process went through her head to make that happen.

Well, Aki instantly fell in love with Yori's singing, but I think Aki's dynamic was also a bit different with Shiho from the start. Yori has a shy and awkward side, but isn't particularly troubled, so Aki could idolize her for her voice with not much getting in the way of this infatuation.

On the other hand Shiho carried deeper vulnerabilities, and didn't hide them very well, so Aki was compelled to take her under her wing, instead of idolizing her. The vibe I get is that Aki used to regard Shiho akin to a little sister she wanted to take care of, and only started seeing her in a different light when Shiho confessed to her, post-fallout.

Though Aki already has a real little sister, of course I don't mean that she saw Shiho as a literal blood relative. Rather that the feelings she has held for Shiho have an oddly gentle and warm foundation, which we could just call platonic, but feel kind of intense for the relatively short time they were close friends. (Compare the old school Yuri trope of sisterly relationships between senpai and kouhai, aka Class S culture.)

Some people seem to want to pathologize the way Aki is so quick to suggest taking the plunge with dating, calling it a desperate attempt at keeping Shiho close. But notice how Aki is not very isolated, and has a number of friends looking out for her. If Aki is desperate, then it's because she regrets letting her go back then, and doesn't want to repeat that mistake. Isn't there more than just desperation here? Rather than just keeping Shiho around as a friend, Aki seems to almost yearn for Shiho's presence. Even after their fallout, she never truly hated Shiho, and never stopped missing her.

I'm not saying that Aki has always been in love with Shiho, but she has always held deep feelings of some kind. Though her thoughts in these latest chapters have been left mostly unstated, it's pretty clear to me that by now an attraction has mixed into those feelings. Just look at her face when she was going in for a kiss. None of those thoughts are in the Bible.

I guess this was a long winded way of saying that some things needed to change to enable Aki to see her on again of again bestie in a different light.

This was interesting. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts. They're in line with some of my own, especially regarding their current relationship. Looking forward to more development from the leading couples, AkiShiho and YoriHima.

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This anthology is great.

Yuki-chan, don't think we haven't noticed where exactly you were looking at page 5...

That's what I'm saying. She was shameless with that one lol.

Most underrated manga on this site imo. I genuinely get a laugh outta every chapter and the art style has really grown on me

Yeah it's great and feels very unique.

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Yeah but definitely the lean anime-wise is Utena-Azul. (Which tbh makes sense as its the more dynamic and interesting ship until they actually get into Kiwi's character more, which they still haven't nearly 25 chapters later).

It doesn't lean that way any more than the manga did. Her connection to Baiser is just as a rival and not special in that regard. Sulfur-Kiwi, Alice-Magenta, Baiser-Michiko, Kiwi-Michiko's GF, etc. Everyone is paired with a counterpart and will have frequent story beats together. Azul's was just first. None are romantic.

Even ignoring Baiser's clear opinions on the issue, Azul wouldn't keep up with all of Baiser's actual tendencies and desires. Azul is fine when "love" is directed to herself but only herself. Baiser's goals are much more complex and far reaching than that. Azul would restrict her. They work best as they are: work rivals. Only Kiwi has fully supported her and actually complements her personality and goals.

Where Utena and Kiwi get played more for gags, while Sayo gets the anime LI development and more interesting things to do. Which, realistically, is what you need to sell a successful love triangle and drive fan engagement So...

Utena and Kiwi's relationship isn't played for gags and has many heartfelt moments throughout the series. Since we've read the manga, we also know the Azul moments in the anime aren't romantic, rather just the start of a friendship. By now it's clear there's been no love triangle in this series. There's no interest in either direction and Utena has stated she's never flirted with or thought of any magical girls in a romantic sense--her villain play is not romantic (remember all of ch. 43). The author's been pretty straightforward.

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Love this, love them, love this series, even though I don't know why it's been broken up into "side stories, in this way. These chapters are part of the main series. They're direct continuation.

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Personally, I would love for them to add in some hints of Sulfur's feelings earlier than the manga did, because let's face it; it kinda came out of nowhere in the manga. I still like it and don't mind how it was done, but I think it would be better if they'd laid the groundwork earlier.

That's reasonable, yeah. They could enhance what's already there (or coming). They've done some of that already.

We'll have to agree to disagree here, Kiwi is just as insufferable in the anime as she is in the manga.

That's fair but I believe they were speaking from a general perspective and she seems well received by anime only viewers.

But for sure, since Kiwi managed to be endearing from the get-go in the anime, I don't think the anime-onlys will be as split on who Utena should be with as the manga readers were back at the start, so there may just not be much to milk there anyway.

That and also a second season would start with the hotel. As you said, if there are any questions about who the canon pairs are, that's not possible after that. So there's no room there to squeeze anything in without major changes to the material. Plus, it's not like there won't be fan service. We know the manga has a lot of that and people will have their "ships" regardless of canon. It should be fun either way. Hopefully, they do announce a new season soon.

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Enorme (Michiko) doesn't learn her identity until later, so it's not impossible to retcon that Azul learns it first and keeps it secret. (Not that I would put much stock in that happening, I'm just pointing out the possibility.)

That said, I could see them amping up some Utena x Azul goodness just for fanservice because it's one of the bigger ships and arguably the first one to take off in the fandom. (Utena x Kiwi, though canon, didn't really endear itself until later I feel, though the anime managed to make it endearing much sooner somehow.)

Oh, I assumed we were talking about the manga and it's future. My mistake! As for amping up stuff with Azul:

It's unlikely that the anime would deviate from the manga's portrayal of Magia and Azul. It would be very misleading. We'll definitely get more of Sayo's "love" though, that's for sure. So if that's what you mean, I agree. But I don't think they'd add anime only scenes.

As for the fandom stuff: the early Azul fandom was largely based on her having the first prominent arc in the manga, but after these key moments, the series' direction becomes clearer. The upcoming episodes, including the Kiwi/Utena hotel scene and confession/promise, will solidify the direction of the relationships just like in the manga and the series never looks back after that:

Other characters have their own arcs, UtenaXKiwi develops and becomes a constant, Sayo molds into a leader (really only focused on supporting others and "love"), and Magenta and Sulfur become a pair, etc. They really can't mess with that, the rest of the series depends on these relationships. Plus Kiwi is very popular as well, as you said. It's been a long while since those early days.

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All in all, it was pretty satisfying. The Utena+Sayo moment was really sweet and I hope we get more of those in the manga. I kinda want Azul to be the first to figure out Baiser's identity and then keep it to herself for a long while.

Michiko already knows Utena's identity (and Utena knows hers). As rivals, they both agreed to keep their identities a secret from the others to maintain the balance. Sayo is too busy being touched by everyone she can get access to, to worry about anything else lol. She and the girl from Michiko's crew are in their own category at this point.

I'm looking forward to SulfurxMagenta figuring their feelings out, more LocoxLeber and Kiwi and Utena continuing their steady progress, as a couple and as stand-in "mothers" to Alice (their dynamic with Alice is one of my favorites). When the two of them team up to "play" with the magical girls it's always a fun time. They have too much synergy, its almost unfair. That ASMR play was just another hilarious example. Hope we get more seasons.

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hey lovelies! I’m trying to find a oneshot (original dounin) where a girl who is in denial (??) has sex with a lesbian and then… they start dating? I don’t really remember but all I know is that the girl in denial has a father who’s in a homosexual relationship & that he’s a high school teacher (maybe)

the explicit scenes are def not shown but it’s nsfw from what I can recall, since there’s nudity. I also remember that the girl in denial has semi short black hair while the other girl has blonde (?) long hair, and likes to smoke

I also remember there are a bunch of pages with no content in between so it kinda tricks u into thinking it ended, but in reality it didn’t (lol)

my memory is realllly fuzzy but it’d be great if someone could point me in the right direction!!thank

Love My Life.

Thanks for the "Love My Life" recommendation. Fell down a rabbit hole.