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Citrus discussion 20 Jan 20:14
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Midnightgunner
Lmao, if you think he is bad, you obviously have not read much manga featuring parental figures trying to get their family members into arranged marriages. As far as that sort goes in manga, he is actually not that bad. Arranged marriages are common for the upper classes in real life, and as marriages go, they are not necessarily better or worse than regular ones, unless someone is literally being forced to go through with it. And that is the thing, you are just wrong, plain and simple. He is not forcing Mei into anything, he is just arranging social introductions. You are basically completely glossing over the fact Mei is going along with it the entire time, without raising a word of protest. How is he to know she is against it, mind reading? So cut with the edgy crap, will you. After Mei says plain and simple that she does not want it, his reaction then will determine whether or not he is bad.

And just to be clear, Mei has the option to simply say "fuck this", since that was what her father did in his time, and he is doing just fine.

If there is anyone at whom I am pissed right now, it is Mei, not the grandfather. Actively keeping all this from Yuzu, asking the potential fiance to also keep quiet, and now breaking like this when Yuzu speaks about their future, it is almost as if she already gave up.

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Does anyone remember a statue yuri? I think the setting was in some kind of museum or sth (I might be wrong.) I thought it was quite unique, though I can't recall the name/story.

I remember it as a statue in an amusement park coming to life, but i don't remember the manga. If that sounds like the manga you're searching for, then I guess I'm offering another hint, if it doesn't then never mind.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/elena

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"Various other inconveniences", lol. Like a member of the staff secretly filming the customers~
This was a nice chapter, especially when the actress admits she is basically putting up a facade, felt heartwarming for some reason. Is also nice that her bladder held out.

@Klice: I was talking about power dynamics in BDSM in general, because that is how I read your inquiry. Is also worth remembering some people are switches. Basically, what I am saying is that power dynamics of BDSM do not necessarily correlate with power dynamics outside of the play for people involved.
As for Yuu and Mari, true, it is mostly a spontaneous game, but can you really imagine Yuu doing something she knows Mari does not want? Or Mari just taking it, silently? Sure, they never blatantly stated these boundaries, but that is how their characters come across, I still do not think there is any manipulation here. Difference in power dynamics does not mean that the one with the more dominant personality is necessarily manipulating their partner. But yeah, we are getting way off-topic here.

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Image Comments 19 Jan 23:31
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Dtnnkoevaaamkix-orig

Take that, lmao! Good one!

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Image Comments 19 Jan 23:00
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Abs_olutely_fabulous

Girls with abs~~~~
Some more abs admiring girlfriends~
Abs tag when?

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Image Comments 19 Jan 22:55
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[torinone]_58580009_p0

Hot abs and a hot navel, why the confusion, Maho??

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Yep, that is the one. I just typed 'completed' (without the ' marks). Went back now to recheck, turns out, I was slightly wrong, apologies. It does not offer to autocomplete as you type, as it normally does, but when you type in the whole word, it offers Status: Completed, I just pressed enter, and it added the tag under "Tags to add". Pressed "Create Suggestion", and it went through normally.

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I did not request it for a chapter, but the work as a whole (3 chapters long). Maybe that is the issue?

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Image Comments 19 Jan 21:52
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Dnuxdgpvaaacugp-orig

Understandable reaction.

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It does not appear in the autocomplete, that much is true for me too. But I just typed it in manually an hour ago (requested a 'completed' status on a work), and it went through just fine. Is currently pending until dpf goes over it.

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Image Comments 19 Jan 21:23
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Sako best girl~~~

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Image Comments 19 Jan 21:18
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Double yes!!

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We can.

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Kinda. It's not entirely apparent but the stare on p2 is clearly a threat "if you don't do it, then...", there's also the "I hate you, goodbye" part in a previous chapter. It's clearly mild threats compared to the ones in this chapter, obviously, but the manipulation is here. I'd guess the key difference is consent between the two parties (at least implicit in Virgins' Empire's case).

I do not think that counts as manipulation. It would if you had Mari going without band-aids, Yuu storming off in protest, and Mari only just then putting them on to appease her. Instead, she already arrived wearing them. She is clearly embarrassed, but that is her thing, it is obvious she is just as into it as Yuu is, that is what I meant by them being equals. Remember, at the end, she was downright disappointed Yuu worked over only one of her nipples. It is a play for them, but it is also blatantly obvious they care for each other, best exemplified by chapter 71.

And I may be wrong, but isn't the whole point of BDSM to have a dynamic of power with a dominant and dominated? One enjoying having complete or some kind of control over the other and the latter one enjoying being manipulated to some point by the former? So they wouldn't be really equals. It's partly rhetoric questions, partly genuine. This is how I understand it, so I may be wrong.

Important to remember is that it is a role-play, so there is no actual control over anyone (as in, making someone do what they do not want to), nor is anyone being manipulated. Being manipulated means you are steered in a particular course that you would not otherwise choose, and you are being steered by someone else, without you actually noticing it. There is nothing of the sort in BDSM. The submissive party can, at any point, call the whole thing off by the use of a safe word, therefore, the control of the proceedings (as in, to stop) is actually in the hands of the one being dominated. It is a play, not an actual act of being forced into submission.

Though, I guess it depends on the type of manipulation we're talking about. Yuki's manipulation is clearly malicious and doesn't really have Hazuki's enjoyment as well in mind. Hazuki's (apparent) submissive nature doesn't allow her to defend herself correctly against it.

Basically. Though I would not call it manipulation, more like straight up bullying into submission.

Black eyed girl is being completely unreasonable, and Nazuki is mentally rolling her eyes the whole time. Finally weird girl makes a ridiculous demand, and Nazuki decides to say "whatever" and just do it because she wants the kiss. This is not a serious situation and I think people either misunderstood or overreacted to the power dynamic between them.

Then it was badly presented, because that was not the first impression I got after reading it. It was not even a second, or third impression. These are short, funny (at least, they are supposed to be) gags, if I have to over-analyse certain panels to get it, it is failing in its job.

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It is back!!! Huzza for Parn!

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Image Comments 18 Jan 20:20
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Nicoboard

Lmao, poor Nico!

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Or that, yes. In Virgins Empire, the emotional manipulation is really, really strong, the words "break me more" speaks volume about how the other girls affect her and make her forget any self-respect

I think you kind of missed what Serenata was on about, in "Virgins' Empire" there is no emotional manipulation. No one is being manipulated, Yuu and Mari are in it as equals. Unlike this new Mochi chapter, where the loli blatantly plays to her unfortunate bed partner's weaknesses with no regards shown for her feelings.

Lyza the Annihilator <3 best character ever in this manga. There is a doujin of Ozen x Lyza I got my hand on, it's pretty ambiguous relationship between Ozen and Lyza when she's a child, Ozen is deliciously unsettling just like in the main story. I'm tormented between wanting to understand what stuff is said and not betraying the author... Pretty hypocrite, I know, but...

Betray! Lol, I am kidding, but I would love to see more Lyza/Ozen, the latter was definitely gay for the former, in my opinion.

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One other thing that occurred to me about Aki.... I think there's a personal story that explains Aki's bizarre behavior that we'll hear eventually. I don't know of this for sure, of course. But it does seem like something that the mangaka will tell us about at a later date.

It seems like that because it is an old and tired thread, walked over so many times before. You get a horrible character to create tension, then said character gets an anguished backstory that explains how they got to be like that. Does not alter the fact this girl is a complete asshole, willingly endangers the physical well-being of others with no justification whatsoever, and her downright toxic attitude is ruining the reputation of the entire gym. Though, at this point I am more pissed at Hokota. What does the asshole have to do to finally get banned, kill someone??

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Lol, I know what a literal loli is, I was using the term loosely, like when people call girls from SW "pantsu lolis", or GuP "tank lolis", or examples like Lyza from MiA, despite all of them clearly not being prepubescent. If short and sufficiently flat --> loli.

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I agree with everything you said, but it's ironic that you used Code Geass as an example since it originally wasn't supposed to have mecha in it until Sunrise remembered that they're Sunrise and that Sunrise always puts mecha in their Sunrise shows. ...Sunrise.

commits seppuku "Code Geass" and KnM are the only shows with mecha I watched, so my options were limited...

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Lol. That's wild. In spite of the incestuous nature of probably half of the pairings, it took I think Kuki creeping and now this to trigger the myriad of red flags for readers.

I'm definitely not defending these things either. I just thought it was funny.

It is about an incestuous family, by what amounts to the now best known yuri incest author, and is clearly tagged with Incest. Anyone triggered by incest who comes complaining in this thread has obviously taken a wrong turn at some point. It would be like watching "Code Geass" and complaining about it being mecha.

On the other hand, some of the gags becoming unpleasant after a while (the weak-bladder actress), or characters doing morally questionable things without having some likeable quality to offset this (like the new loli), are stuff that is bound to raise some negativity, though I doubt it has become an actual red flag as of yet.

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Their Story discussion 18 Jan 06:17
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"I'll also treat today's incident as water under the bridge."

NO! Manager! What the fuck! Do your fucking job and just expel her already, you fucking moron! Just how much water under the bridge it takes?? Especially since there are NO signs she is prepared to work on her attitude after this.

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A Mochi chapter I found annoying. There is a first time for everything, I guess.

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I'm looking for a doujin but it's about two girls who are rehearsing for a play, one plays a princess and the other a knight?
Thank you in advance for the help.

This, perhaps? Though I could swear there are a few more with that setup...