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Kase-san discussion 22 Sep 10:09
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Got the new volume, that new page was gay.

I have to say that of the many things I like about this series, I really enjoy the moments when Kase is taken aback or embarrassed by her physical attraction to Yamada. Kase herself obviously has a conventionally "great body" (along with lots of other traits that make her an appealing character) and anyone can see that Yamada is incredibly cute (like, world-class cute), but it's Kase's POV that shows us that Yamada's also sexy, and getting more so as she matures.

The 'doing it' scenes in this one are quite well done, but for me the sexiest moments are actually the post-bed-scene head "bonks" from Kase--intimate, friendly, goofy, and seemingly very real.

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I haven't gone into WDTFS in the kind of depth many folks here have done, but my impression is like yoonie0104's--the development of Seju's character, which was interesting in itself, overpowered her character's basic function in the overall story, throwing the relationships out of balance.

Seju needs to be Sungji's legitimate rival, and not simply "the toxic ex who can't let go," but the more the past relationship between Sumin and Seju is explored and validated, the less room there is for Sungji to be shown as complex (and potentially flawed). So instead of Seju being the relatively straightforward foil to illuminate Sungji's character by contrast, it ends up being the other way around.

Milton had the same problem in Paradise Lost, where Satan ended up being a lot more interesting than the angels and archangels. I'm not saying the characters in WDTFS are a direct match, but probably wouldn't object if somebody else did. :-)

Blastaar
New Game discussion 14 Sep 08:41
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If Moby Dick would have just admitted that Ahab was completely right, there would have been no problem.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 13 Sep 10:34
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I'm going to do one last Naru post, and that will be it on that issue. For me, the controversy was never about whether Naru was "a good person" or whether I liked her as a character or not, but the surprising proposition that Naru's way of working was the proper one and that her behavior and attitudes demonstrated the weaknesses of the previous Eagle Jump employees and their work habits. I believed that all the narrative cues and well-established internal values of the manga pointed directly and unmistakably the other way. (The Grand Gladiatorial Combat of Opinion-Having that took place was mostly just distracting and counterproductive.) The most recent chapters have unequivocally settled the Naru matter as far as I'm concerned. I was prepared to be surprised at the outcome, but I was . . . not surprised.

On the other hand, I've always thought of the Kou-Aoba connection as the heart of the professional side of the story, and it will be very interesting to see how our Fellowship of the Game Controller fares with the departure of their Gandalf.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 12 Sep 22:27
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UMIKO IS PERFECT.

And Hazuki knows it.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 12 Sep 22:16
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When Naru is asked, "Did you have fun making it?" and she answers with a total non-sequitur technical answer about the timer adding replay value--that was the tell right there. Then when the second problem is raised, her impulse is to just revert to the first version instead of trying to make a better game.

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New Game discussion 06 Sep 17:04
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I think at this point that the issue with Naru has been blown way out of proportion (and I apologize for my part in doing so). Basically, there have been two contrasting interpretations of Naru as a character:

1) Naru is an exemplary employee who is modeling proper work habits to the others.

2) Naru is a bit of a pain in the butt who has yet to get with the Eagle Jump "whatever it takes to make fun games" program.

Pretty much whatever can be said in support of each of those readings has been said. Also some other stuff.

If #1 is correct, eventually the Eagle Jump staff will be depicted as changing their ways in response to Naru highlighting their shortcomings.

If #2 is correct, Naru will be shown to either change her attitude or leave the company.

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I'm not talking only about kisses, or saying that all the examples are about Yuu's overt desire. I'm packing for a hurricane evacuation, so the skinship list isn't exhaustive, but off the top of my head:

The Maki-observed kiss takes place when Yuu was first planning to leave the student council with everyone else, but stayed behind when Touko gave her a sidelong glance. She could have just kept going had she wanted to.

Yuu takes Touko's hand during the group photo of student election candidates.

Yuu invited Touko outside to calm her down before the candidate speeches, a scene that ended with that half-hug-head-lean moment.

Yuu invites Touko to her house to study when the library is crowded, then grabs her wrist to take Touko's pulse when she sees how flustered her senpai is to be in Yuu's bedroom. (And Yuu literally gets up in her face about that flusteration, a scene which is as close to a no-skinship-skinship moment as you can get.)

Yuu towels off Touko's hair when they get caught in the rain (although she does stifle her impulse to take Touko's hand when they're sitting on the bench).

And, of course, there's the "You said you were going to take advantage of me so please get to it" GBS.

These aren't all about sexual desire, of course, and there are several holding-Touko-off moments going the other way. And pretty clearly Yuu didn't consciously do things like stay behind at the student council (to "use the computer") or invite Touko outside before the speeches specifically in order to facilitate "tactile moments." But I think Yuu plays a more active role in creating physical contact (not necessarily sexual, of course) than it might appear on first reading, and Touko is surprised at Yuu's forwardness several times.

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It's notable that Yuu has either initiated or consciously created the conditions for some (although not all) of the significant skinship moments in the manga so far. The "ambush first kiss" and the post-sports-festival shed scene are the main exceptions, but that second one makes me think that "going all the way" (now I feel like I'm 12) is another line that Yuu (and probably also Touko) would be unwilling to cross until the relationship reset we've all been predicting takes place.

But again if the relationship reset takes place in the context of a GBS, or vice versa, all the better.

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Where in a lot of yuri manga there can be an extended process of two people opening up to one another emotionally with a (sometimes extremely limited) skinship payoff at the end, in this one I'm really looking forward to the protags being honest with themselves and with each other.

Should that take place in the context of, or be followed by, a Great Bed Scene (GBS), all the better.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 06 Sep 12:18
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I have no reason to doubt that you know how a real-life company works. As has been suggested several times already, if New Game were a documentary about a real-life company, or if New Game presented itself as a template for how a real-life game company should operate, your main argument about how readers should perceive Naru would be plausible. But since the distinction between actual contemporary business practices and those of a fictional storyworld seems to be irrelevant to you, there's not much more left to say.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 06 Sep 11:40
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And how is Eagle Jump treating you?

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New Game discussion 06 Sep 11:36
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Wow, you really do know everything.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 06 Sep 10:34
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At least all of that lead to Yuu holding Touko in her bed.

I'd call Chap. 22, pgs. 26-27 some pretty advanced-level "holding." :-)

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When Yuu saw Touko relying on Sayaka instead of her

That incident at the fireworks did make Yuu feel uneasy. However, Touko's initial impulse was to talk to Yuu, but she didn't want to impose emotionally on her--"to use up all her sweetness." (That's not what would happen, of course, but Touko isn't aware of that yet.) And Sayaka brought up the subject to Touko, not the other way around.

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Top 10 manga betrayal

Oh, I still have my hopes up for a sex (ahem) emotionally touching physical intimacy scene.

Just not as the climax of the high school play. :-)

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^^ All possibilities (some more probable than others). But a random list of elements I've been keeping in mind:

1) Touko's new insight into who her sister really was (i.e., Touko thought she was becoming a version of her sister, but she actually wasn't. So what's her motivation for continuing to cling to that role beyond the play?)

2) Touko's determination that the play will be the culmination of the "become my dead sister" cycle. Something comes after that, but nobody knows what.

3) The cafe owner's evaluation of Sayaka: "You're a good girl." (I think we can basically trust that, whatever temporary conflict Sayaka may cause.)

4) Koyomi and Yuu revised the ending of the play together, but we have no evidence that Koyomi is aware of Touko and Yuu's hidden relationship. So whatever the import of that new ending is, probably no sex scene, I'm afraid.
4a) However, we did see that particular scene twice and from two different points of view, which emphasized that we still never saw anything specific about what they said or did, so just maybe Yuu did spill a bean or two.

5) Maki's secret knowledge about the TxY ship has amounted to almost nothing so far--dropped stitch, or hidden plot bomb?

I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with the way Nakatani-sensei has set up a wide range of possible outcomes and different ways to arrive at those outcomes (including the possibilities that the whole thing will end unhappily or even tragically, or the opposite) and all of those outcomes could be consistent with prior events and true to the characters.

Blastaar
New Game discussion 04 Sep 11:59
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I have a few factual questions:

How many chapters of the manga have been released in Japan?
How many episodes of season 2 of the anime have been released in Japan?

And my real question: It seems unusual that a subbed anime and translated manga are releasing the equivalent chapters/episodes so close together. Is that true, or is it a quirk of the scanlation schedule?

(In other words, with ongoing series, my impression (which may be wrong and if so I'm asking to be corrected) is that the translated (i.e., subbed) anime usually is way behind the manga, but New Game isn't.)

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Why is everyone blackbarring their comments

Because they're referencing material from a chapter that hasn't been posted here yet. I didn't in my last one because, in that case, I wasn't.

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Their age difference was more than enough.

Really. That's the most interesting thing about this series--basically, how are they going to get out of this one (the main setup)? Mimika's lovestruck but not just a lolicon perv, and Yuzu is precocious and lonely; they're both getting something emotionally rewarding out of the relationship, but where does it actually go as it develops? (Without the story going from "oddly charming" to "seriously and criminally creepy," that is.)

Once the mess caused by our grade-school villainess is dealt with, that question remains, and I'm hoping the introduction of our grade-school villainess doesn't mean that the author can't find an answer to the question.

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My K-drama rule of thumb for noble idiocy is (although I'd prefer not to have it at all) that the show gets part of one episode to introduce it, one full episode to suffer through it, and one episode to resolve it.

Anything more than that and they're seriously getting on my nerves. Here's hoping.

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Oh, I'm confident things will work out, and there's not the slightest chance of a real (and probably not even a faked) attraction between Mimika and Ririha--we've seen that already. But I wouldn't be surprised if Mimika, who is not the brightest star in the sky, at least tries the noble idiot gambit on the grounds that it's what's best for Yuzu.

But my favorite thing in this series is when Yuzumori cuts right to the heart of the issue at hand, and I'm hoping for one of those scenes ASAP.

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All I see happening is Yuzumori slapping some sense into Mimika

Love to see that happen, and quickly, but I suspect we may be in for at least a short spell of what in Korean dramas is called "noble idiocy." As majere says above, it's that "I'm quitting you for your own good" thing, usually accompanied by lying about one's real motivations, so that the dumpee has no clue about what's really going on.

The absolute worst version, because it's so painful for both the audience and the characters, is when, in order to do a complete break-up job, the person pretends to turn on the other one and claim that they were only fooling around or have come to their senses and now see how ridiculous the relationship really is, etc. (Noble idiocy, as the name suggests, also often requires previously intelligent characters to suddenly behave like complete morons.)

If the author remains true to the characters, there's no way Yuzumori puts up with crap like that for very long, but even someone as sharp as she is may take some time to get all this mess sorted. Here's hoping Glasses-chan has enough integrity to be helpful when things come to a head.

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do you think Yuu will admit her feelings (at least to herself) naturally

I think the newly written sex scene between the amnesiac patient and the nurse at the end of the play will be all the catalyst anybody needs to put their emotional cards on the table.

It is a sex scene, right?