This series is perfect at what it sets out to be. Knows what it is and is one of the best versions of itself.

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The dad told her to leave. We don't know if she really wanted to be separated. She was also very involved in the kissing. Even before the kissing, she was blushing and hesitating throughout the chapter. It felt like she shared her sister's feelings but was in more conflict with herself about her desires, naturally. She may have fled to escape her feelings but I don't think they were one sided.

Considering big sis told dad everything with no provocation I have to imagine it was out of guilt for what was going on and concern for her sisters behavior, at least how I saw it. I don’t think the dad was present enough in their lives to notice and confront them about it himself.

Agreed. I was mainly concerned about not suggesting that the sister was involved against her will. She was involved and knew it. She wanted her sister too. That's what I meant by "she shared her sister's feelings but was in more conflict with herself about her desires. She fled (and contacted the father) to escape her feelings but I don't think they were one sided."

Her leaving would then be a form of running away from feelings that she had but considered to be wrong, thus her last note to Meguru stating that she "won't be able to" live with her. That's probably less the dad banning them from living together and more her thinking that she needs the physical distance in order to get rid of her incestuous feelings. This may have even played a role in her decision to marry relatively quickly.

The most interesting thing will be to see what her impact is going to be when she inevitable turns up in the main narrative at some point.

Exactly. Yeah we're on the same page. All 3 supporting characters (including the sister) could have a lot more to do now. Potentially more interesting.

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I'm actually surprised that there was some real incest going on between Meguru and her sister, but I guess one could've foreseen that. Also feels quite heavy on the younger sister angst here, interested to see how that will continue.

Yeah that shoe was always going to drop. Glad it finally did. Now things get more interesting.

As for Kasane, we know that she 100% would be ecstatic about being kissed by Meguru for any reason, so it's a bit of a loss for her to be asleep for that occasion.

I actually don't think Kasane would be happy for the kiss, if she knew the complicated feelings and dependency that's fueling it and I think that's what'll make things compelling. Now the friends of both women retroactively seem better constructed. I can imagine many ways those two could involve themselves in this dynamic, positively and negatively (both good for a story).

We’ll that’s extremely creepy, can’t blame the sister for leaving

The dad told her to leave. We don't know if she really wanted to be separated. She was also very involved in the kissing. Even before the kissing, she was blushing and hesitating throughout the chapter. It felt like she shared her sister's feelings but was in more conflict with herself about her desires, naturally. She may have fled to escape her feelings but I don't think they were one sided.

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So the author posted on their fanbox a few days ago. From what I can tell via machine translation, the commercial series will be cancelled due to poor sales. Last chapter will be ch. 17.

However, it seems like they are planning to continue working on the series. Their editorial department has given them permission to publish new chapters on their fanbox instead. They also mention that they've been considering creating an official english translation of the series, though who knows if that'd get approval after already seeing poor sales with the JP version.

Source: https://www.fanbox.cc/@kamejiroro/posts/7810811

Just read the update. Terrible news but at least she plans to continue the work independently. They even plan to release future volumes, just digitally instead. I'll follow it on her fanbox for sure. The worst thing is the loss of income when these things fall through.

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Why the sudden appearance of a new admirer character when we know Nagisa and Mashiro will never break up?

It's fun because you know there's no real threat. That's the point of it, normally. As long as people understand that, than it's just a "cute situation," that you can read casually, watching as it forces our main two into funny situations. The acceptance of that dynamic might be different for different audiences, I guess. Personally, I just want there to be variety, since normally the in-between stuff plays out the same. The idea of it is fine though.

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Y'all got any good recommendations with MILFs?

Did you mean manga body type, minimum age, somebody with children, or (step)incest?

I'll take whatever you've got at this point.

I'd love to see it too) Which ones do you know of?

The only one I know of is this one: https://mangadex.org/title/24c2e0fc-e381-4e84-b011-1a11887ee6f0/jk-chan-and-her-classmate-s-mom

Some of these are a stretch but IDK what you consider "milf." I'm basing this off your mention of JK Chan's age gap. These are similar. For most of these, if they aren't finished here, they're finished elsewhere.

• Kusanagi-sensei Is Being Tested
• Addicted to Her (ongoing)
• Love Thy Neighbor
• Lilies Are in Full Bloom (explicit)
• 1 x 1/2 - My Half of You
• A Collar Only for You
• Drawn Together
• Wanna Skip School in the Infirmary? (Ongoing)
• I want to Spoil Yoroizuka-san (these last 3, same author)
• Itoshi Koishi
• Maitsuki, Niwatsukj, Ooyatsuki
• Takane no Hana wa Usotsuki desu

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I don't have an issue with this per se, but how the hell did she recognize Nagisa? I'm going by manga logic with this one. In the first chapter, before the "transformation", she looked very different.

She was in the audience during the culture festival (chapter 24). We saw her in one panel watching our girls perform. She was in awe and I'm assuming she was a fan of Nagisa then. So, this isn't new. It was always waiting to come back. Edit: just noticed someone else mentioned this as well.

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Well she was definitely hungry. Good thing she got delivery.

The term being corrupted by westerners does not destroy the original intent of shoujo ai . It’s basic research, you can just look at references, read actual articles, consume the manga and content tagged it, etc l. Idk why you guys are over complicating it and trying to tie loli in, it’s pretty dishonest and bad faith

You can go read Wikipedia and they'll literally tell you the exact same stuff lol. They've even got a bunch of citations and junk, but I'll let our resident brain genius look them up if you don't believe it lol
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/shoujo_ai

That wiki description does discuss Shoujo-AI's connection to underage content, but there are many interesting articles out there about the issue too. Some books as well. Anyway, I just wanted to double-check the usage differences, since they came up in the discussion. Thanks for chiming in.

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Anyway, when you get down to analyzing things, Natori hasn't shown any romantic or sexual interest in any character. I wouldn't even be surprised if she was ace.

She's definitely shown those interests towards Lapis, but I agree with everything else you said.

The term being corrupted by westerners does not destroy the original intent of shoujo ai . It’s basic research, you can just look at references, read actual articles, consume the manga and content tagged it, etc l. Idk why you guys are over complicating it and trying to tie loli in, it’s pretty dishonest and bad faith

I wasn't discussing anything with you. You're involving yourself in a conversation that wasn't about anything you said. I'll leave it at that. It doesn't feel like there's much to discuss with you anyway.

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The idea that yuri is inherently sexual or erotic is a thing Western comics fans made up like 15 years ago, it's not a thing in Japanese. There's been a handful of different authors who say they dislike the label but not because it's sexual but because it's a specific genre with conventions and fans with annoying expectations, as we're seeing live in this very thread.

Yeah, that is more in line with what she actually said during that older interview. I don't know where this idea that "yuri" implies sexual content comes from. Ironically, "Shoujo Ai" is a unique tag that I don't think is interchangeable and if I understand its usage correctly, is the more sexually charged term in Japan. Someone can correct me.

Don't know if it's true but I've heard multiple people say the phrase "shoujo ai" in Japanese has lolicon vibes to it. What I am confident in is that it's not an actual genre name or commonly used tag.

Yes, that is what I've understood as well. Any article about the subject and its usage in Japan has always made that distinction. I know western sites will use Shoujo Ai still, so I imagine that's what that commenter meant but I wanted to clarify that the distinction is largely a western one based on what any authority on the subject has ever said on the issue.

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The idea that yuri is inherently sexual or erotic is a thing Western comics fans made up like 15 years ago, it's not a thing in Japanese. There's been a handful of different authors who say they dislike the label but not because it's sexual but because it's a specific genre with conventions and fans with annoying expectations, as we're seeing live in this very thread.

Yeah, that is more in line with what she actually said during that older interview. I don't know where this idea that "yuri" implies sexual content comes from. "Yuri" is what's generally used for everything. Ironically, "Shoujo Ai" is a unique tag that I don't think is interchangeable and if I understand its usage correctly (since I never used it myself), is the more sexually charged term in Japan. Someone can correct me.

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The Official English Release over on Tapas picked quite the brisk pace. With 36 chapters on launch and then 2 weekly they reached the finale of Season 1 last Thursday and Season 2 is already gonna start on the 25th.

Idk if they worked up a massive backlog before releasing or if they're just that fast working on those translations but they're def not wasting any time, dang

They've started doing that with some new series, by "that" I mean working on a bunch of chapters and releasing them in bunches as a way jump-starting a series. Once they release the 4 new chapters this week, it'll be about 4-5 chapters behind the original release. The story does some interesting things in season 2, so I'd definitely stay with it.

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I think that with the success of this work, the gay shenanigans had to take a backseat because the main sponsors of Sumiko have become the music industry (mainly Universal Music Japan) and not the manga industry or the yuri fandom.

She's been enrolled to promote Universal's catalog in Japan, not to promote the gay agenda.

For her sponsors, the gay is secondary. It's cute and it adds some appeal to the manga, but it's not the main theme anymore.

The first part focused on Aya and Mitsuki and the gender misunderstanding, but once it was out of the way, the second part focused mostly on music, because it's what pays the bills for Sumiko. So she toned down the romance (still keeping the rizz moments) and propped up the western music side.

So I wouldn't expect any actual onscreen kiss or definite gay thing, because it's become too big for that unfortunately, even if Sumiko has not shied away from the gay in the past.

That’s disgusting, I hope the yuri fans are smart enough to leave now that it’s seemingly going nowhere

The author said from the beginning that she doesn't consider it a yuri. It was never intended to pander to that fandom. It's a cute story about relatable characters, rock music, and Japanified Americana and I still love tuning in every week

She didn't really say that.

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The Ibuki family has quite a variety of personalities, and they're hopefully about to add a sister-in-law to the mix.

That was just to set up the twist of Sayaka and Kasumi being in a relationship, nothing is implying either of them would be fine with multiple partners.

Yes and "it's maybe possible" ≠ "is." I don't know if I'd call that a character detail just yet. Aside from that, this series is dense. I really look forward to rereading it once it's all over.

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The ward placed by this enemy is supposed to disable humans, but Isuzu doesn't seem to be affected. Maybe it's been explained with something else and I just forgot; it's possible that Isuzu can withstand it because of her training, or the enemy deliberately excluded her from the effect because otherwise there's no sport in defeating her. But if Isuzu were part youkai, that would also make it more ironic when she says she can't "mix" with Naori and her ogre friends.

She was affected. And it's likely just her training. She alluded to that during this chapter (pages 17-19). If they're hunting demons they must have some familiarity with these wards. She made a comment about how if Naori could make her way past the ward, she should also be able to do the same and realized that she'd given up earlier than she should have.

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She's about to beat his ass right in front of her GF. Naori really stabbed herself with an ice pick to get to Hinata. I expect that kind of dedication from any of my future partners as well.

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Is it just me or did they just cram a whole lot of story in just a few pages? Did this get axed?

Definitely not. It's at chapter 50 and weekly.

I can't root for any of them really, their personality is so (unexplainable and unreasonably) twisted that it's really impossible to like them or hope they end up together, they're so toxic lol

It's the opposite for me, they're both so twisted and obsessed with each other than I can't not root for them to end up together. Early chapters might have had a tinge of "Wakaba deserves better" but it's entirely gone now.

They're perfect for each other and Komaki has always known it. She's just been putting in the work to get Wakaba to realize it too. Instead of "realize), I should say "accept it," because Wakaba obviously likes Komaki. Messy but fun.

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I can't wait for Aki's reaction when she finds out Shiho threw away the photos. Lol poor Shiho.

Guess they'll have to make new ones.

There wasn't anything much left to touch on. Maybe some were still somehow holding out for something from Akira but that's not happening. Satsuki and Komachi are moving forward. This series wasn't a romance anyway and no one ended up "together" really. So I don't know if I'd call it "couple achieved" but I liked the ending anyway.

People talking about Akira and Satsuki but really the unresolved conflict is the one they have with their dads.

Akira's dad got arrested for attempted murder. That's already settled.

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Shiho swooning over Aki is great. Talk about a "gap." I imagine Shiho nearly fainted when Aki said, "That's my girl." Plus Aki is also clearly, very much enjoying this dating thing and predictably wears the pants in this relationship. Watching Aki flirt Shiho into submission will always be funny to me.

EP1 of the anime was great, the animation and quality of the artwork were better than I expected. The voices also match the characters well, the singing felt a little off to me at first because the voice sounded a little too different, but the second time she (Yori) sang at the rooftop with Himari, it was amazing.

Do we have to spoiler tag anime stuff? Anyway, I agree. It was really nice.

I was surprised that the ED showed the tension between Aki and Shiho, will that even fit in those twelve episodes?

Remember Shiho comes in very early (chapter 15), so it would be harder (and odd pacing) not to have her and Aki's dynamics as part of a 12-episode season. Edit: and I think the first episode adapted about 3 chapters already. There's not much happening earlier in the manga. So it can easily breeze by a few chapters each episode.

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