MacySan posted:

Sorry MacySan you know I can't spend my work time on a Seol-a doppelganger. It has to be Seol-a.

Obviously, you should always choose the original.

It wasn't about choosing over one of them (obv Seol-A wins haha), more like I was waiting for Enah to do something bad in every chapter xD

Haha, I know what you mean, some characters just look evil and suspicious for some reason that we just can't help but expect they'll do something, I think Enah will do something to them but it's going to be something good.

anonymous posted:

Thiaguinho-sama:

[...] if people will act like fandumbs?

You can't have fandom without fandumb durrr lolo

But it's still bad if they control the thread...

ieeheh posted:

"Lovers are fools, but Nature makes them so."

2deep4me

ieeheh posted:

Ok if I misunderstood Nya-chan, I'd apologize.

For now I'll go collect Seol-a's screenshots at work instead of continue this unnecessary discussion about how bad my favorite manhwa is.

I actually wanted to get some screenshots of Enah acting all suspicious and put this meme on the top

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/4240826.jpg

Sorry MacySan you know I can't spend my work time on a Seol-a doppelganger. It has to be Seol-a.

Obviously, you should always choose the original.

Nezchan posted:

Enough of the walls of black text, okay? Like I've said before, a line or two is one thing but when you're blacking out your entire message, you're taking things too far.

Sorry Nezchan, I'll try to not do it again.

MacySan posted:

I agree that FF is not perfect and the bf showing up again now might be cliche, yes. Maybe Ssamba has a purpose for this and we'll see it in the next chapters, maybe she's not and people are right. Nothing is perfect anyway, and FF has its flaws too.
Also I don't see why get affected on a personal level from a series. Remember guys, we read this for fun, not to torture ourselves. If someone feels like that and the story gets under their skin I think it would be better to take a break.
But there are two ways to critisise a story, one with drama and another without.

I also don't get why some was getting so affected by it on a personal level, while I do agree that people should try to criticize in a good way, be careful on how they write their post, that's no excuse to how some people reacted to criticism as if it was a personal attack.

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ieeheh posted:

Lol sorry I created misunderstanding there. I was teasing Nya-chan to speak her mind instead of teasing everyone here instead. Because clearly she was, and she started it first. No mocking. Just teasing ;)

But sorry i'll just get serious one last time (because you just made it sound so serious again):

I never joined in with the sentiment that FF was without the cliché. I even admitted I loved and needed the cliche because i want to see Seolrae to go through all that cliche that I could only read in other het shoujo mangas. I just thought people who criticized took it too seriously for a slice of life shoujo manhwa. Ssamba clearly didnt want to write a masterpiece of literature. I myself think she just wanted to focus on portraying the feelings and reactions of two girls who fall in love with each other in a society that is used to het romance. She let us experience their feelings by throwing at them all these circumstances in a single 100-chapter story updated weekly, just like K-dramas which dominates the culture she's living in (well hello she's Korean). Like someone in another board said, their intention is to give us an emotional roller coaster ride. It's clearly that everyone is having one hell of a ride. She wasn't avoiding the cliches to be a masterpiece. So criticize all you want.

Nya-chan's intention has been to go against everyone who enjoys FF and rub them off. Thats all

I love FF for what it is, for pleasure reading, not academic reading. Ssamba is not the best writer, but a good artist and a sensitive human being who believes humans are fundamentally good. Some set out to be great and failed because they just seem phony and trying to hard. Ssamba set out just to draw something she likes with low expectation for popularity herself but gained tremendous support because of her genuine and relatable characters.

The problem is that in the beginning I remember seeing some people criticizing it, but some started to take it as personal attack and act agressive against them to the point pretty much everyone stopped, I do agree that some of those posts with criticism could have been worded better, but Nya-chan never made her posts to go against everyone who enjoys FF and rub them off, in no moment I felt she made them to offend others or that she was trying to rub anything on them, for me it's quite the opposite as I agree with what she said and that doesn't take any of my enjoyiment, but some definitely acted as if it was a personal attack because they see FF as an absolute masterpiece that no one can question or criticize, saying that it was her intention is just a way to put all the blame on her, so what, you're saying she should have never made any criticism because of how some would react? It's because of that I'm saying this is becoming fandumb, because instead of trying to discuss the criticism, some outright disrergad it as bullshit and mock the person, when a discussion finally started some time ago, I believe it was in page 159, it eventually got out of control because of some taking what Nya-chan said as a personal attack and became agressive towards her, Nezchan had to put a stop to it.

Nevri posted:

To be honest, I can't blame Nya-chan for not feeling like saying much since last time she got ganked by everyone and forced out of thread. Her making fun of how you treated her when she wrote similar thing was imo funny though ;P

I have to applaud you ieeheh, because I didn't expect your respond to be so mature. Still I'm pretty sure the part of Nya-chan trolling you all is at least half true ;P

Nevri basically explained why she doesn't speak her mind, one way or other people will disregard her opinions as bullshit, either because they will mock her or by ganging up agaisnt her, because of course if she doesn't think like "everyone" she can only be wrong, so why should she make a serious post if people will act like fandumbs?

TB posted:

You're right, I'll do that. Now to phrase it in a way that doesn't give people false hope...

Haha, good luck with that, it's not going to be easy, if it's even possible... (T-T)

TB posted:

I did, however, find this (completely unrelated). Seems very relevant to the interests of the people who have been waiting for years for the cell phone-only continuation to Carbonard Crown to make it online in a form or another. I was unable to find out anything more about it, and it might just be a one-shot doujinshi, but I guess that knowing this exists is a start. If anyone still cares.

Maybe post that in Carbonard Crown or Shinonome Mizuo thread? Cause here this kind of information will be lost with time after some pages and pretty much no one will see it, in the relevant thread at least eventually someone might see and search for it.

ChocolateCakeLover posted:

How the hell does psychological problem come into your head before "oh maybe she's gay" in a yuri manga?

Haha, I didn't say them by order of importance, I just think that maybe her problem is not being gay, she might be bisexual and she's fucked up for other reasons not related to her sexuality, not confessing to Yuma is basically because she's scared of losing her only friend, go look at the raws, it seens everyone talked behind her back since she was a child, maybe about being a slut, they look to be 10 to 12 years old, no friends and she was already going out with an older guy, I say he's 15 years old at minimum, probably older, but the face she makes when Yuma see them kissing is not of someone liking it, fuck maybe he's even a relative, brother, cousin, father, something like that, my point is that I suspect she's psychologically fucked up, she's not scared of losing Yuma because they're girls, but maybe because Yuma might be pretty much the only person in her life who was good to her.

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Thanks h3x and confused1203.

Yuma gave nice bitch slap on Fujiwara, as for their past, Hotaru started going out with guys when she was pretty young, but the face she made doesn't look like someone who was really enjoying it, maybe she have some psychological problem? Or maybe she always knew she was gay but was trying to force herself to become straight? Either way I'm thinking even more now that she does have some problem instead of just being a coward, as for the ending of the chapter, I suppose they almost had sex at Hotaru house? That's the only reason why Fujiwara was able to go inside and film them almost having sex, now I wonder if they're finally going to come out and become a couple, if not, all aboard the threesome train!

LittelWind posted:

Oh god! The chapter 8 (raw) is soo.... Hate Fujiware >.<
But also cute Hotaru and Yuma moments~

Link please, cause I tried but didn't find anywhere.

halmoni posted:

I was a little surprised to be honest, because the art in this looks different from FF. And the characters also look different too, it made me think why Ssamba didn't use this for FF too. Also the backgrounds are different and well drawn too. Maybe she has more time to draw this one while FF has to be done in one week

It's called "The Best Combi" (short for combination), and it was some detective mystery manhwa if I remember correctly. After Ssamba decided to discontinue it for whatever reason, it was rehashed into FF. So that's why the two main characters look just like No-rae and Seol-a (and hence No-rae got her hair cut into a bob like character she was based on). I think Ji-hwan was in the original story too.

The style probably looks different because the original was a more serious drama, while FF is a romantic comedy/slice of life.

I see, shame she discontinued it, but did Ssamba at least gave a rushed ending or she just stopped in the midddle of the story? Cause it would not even be worth translating if it don't have some kind of ending, and thanks MacySan and halmoni.

ieeheh posted:

this ex boyfriend, saving-us-from-any-development deus ex machina trend is getting really tiring...

What?

You're too negative! (」゜ロ゜)」

Nya-chan, you've just found your like-minded soulmate, you should publicly support transbikes instead. What a tease

Okay now don't be like that, if this was any other serie people would have whined and complained a lot about how when ex-bf with perfect timing interrupted the confession and again now that he is in the same ski resort are forced drama, but because it's FF everyone acts as if it's perfect and without any problems or cliches, seriously guys, someone makes a criticism and what some of you do? Mock the person? Some pages ago some pretty much offended and acted agressive towards Nya-chan because she have a different opinion, this is starting to become fandumb, you guys are making me think of Narutards and Bleachtards, acting as if FF is the best thing ever made and anyone who don't agree is an idiot who doesn't know anything, I like FF as much as all of you do, but it's not perfect and definitely not above criticism, so chill out guys, cause it's really embarassing how some of you are acting against some people, mainly Nya-chan now because the rest even gave up after some time because of how some of you react to criticism.

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flips posted:

This manga is full of slimeballs. It doesn't produce a single good or clean feeling. x.x

You should read her other long work here, Renai Manga, where everyone is decent. That said I think she did a manga that hasn't been translated yet where a girl blamed a girl she had a crush on for not preventing her getting raped and then guilted her into leaving a nice girl for her and becoming her slave. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

I recall this... also recall it being really dumb

What manga was that? Name please.

Fujiyuu Sekai. It's up on yuri project board. Ready for typesetting, but still no translation.

Thanks h3x.

My guts tell me Ssamba is female bisexual lol.
Research indicates all females are somewhat bisexual anyways xD

I think FF is her first series. She admited herself that she's quite inexperienced. But if its indeed her very first series, she's amazing. I hope she will continue doing yuri, cuz she seems to be more than capable of writing het.

Ssamba's other work ''http://comic.naver.com/bestChallenge/list.nhn?titleId=395680&no=26''

And about what is this other work she have? Het romance? I'm kind curious if it's as good as FF.

The only one I know like Batoto is raw sen manga, but I don't know how upload works for them so you would need to contact someone there, you also need account to see their chapters, I forgot to have a look but I won't be surprised if they already have all raw chapters or part of them, can't really see properly now as I'm using my phone, so if no one have a look then later I'll do it and make a post about it.

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flips posted:

This manga is full of slimeballs. It doesn't produce a single good or clean feeling. x.x

You should read her other long work here, Renai Manga, where everyone is decent. That said I think she did a manga that hasn't been translated yet where a girl blamed a girl she had a crush on for not preventing her getting raped and then guilted her into leaving a nice girl for her and becoming her slave. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

I recall this... also recall it being really dumb

What manga was that? Name please.

Haha, don't worry, I know the serie and I don't have any problem with it, thanks o7

onlysaneone, from what manga is your avatar?

Centifolia posted:

Come on, guys. Use your commonsense!
This is a manga that is published in a yuri magazine. The editors alone will not allow het to enter the pages. Let alone one where het wins.

Common sense is so rare it became a super power

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But really, that threesome is pretty much sure to not happen, either Hotaru or Yuma won't allow it, I think I said before but if it happens it'll be Yuma fault, not to mention that if she makes the threesome I think she's going to alienate the readers, part of them already like Takeda more, if a het threesome happens in a yuri magazine I believe people will basically say "fuck this shit" and stop reading, you can only go so far without losing your readers.

I also have a theory, Fujiwara is a jerk to Hotaru and Yuma, says how Takeda is idiot and all that, as far as we know he's trash, but I'm starting to think he acts like that to punish them because they got in the way of his true love, Takeda, he badmouths him only to hide his feelings from Hotaru and Yuma, but especially from himself, because in the end he's actually nice to Takeda so that can't be a coincidence, Fujiwara and Hotaru are in the same gayngst boat, if we see things from his perspective we have a yaoi manga full of angst and forced drama with Takeda as his Yuma!

Haha, thanks for liking it lazyZar, at least some people can laugh at a little joke, people are taking this manga way too seriously, chill out guys.

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Not only they're going to have a threesome, but Yuma will get pregnant, marry Fujiwara, and Hotaru will become their mistress, happy end!

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About SpringRoll's Daily Life, I found that Roll, Color-LES, have her own comic on Tapastic, Random Strip Compilation, when searcing for webcomics I recomend reading them on Tapastic because it's easier to find more about the artists, you can find their sites, like Tumblr, Deviantart or Facebook for example, you can also see what they're reading, which might take you to more yuri webcomics, it was looking at what s p r i n g is reading that I found Color-LES comic, and something ele I found, Color-LES is the creator of World Canvas.

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Haha, I'm pretty sure I mentioned some pages ago about Fujiwara wanting a threesome, that will never happen, Hotaru would do anything for Yuma, so I really doubt she'll allow Fujiwara to put his hands on her, but part of me want it to happen just to see people whining xD

Ratte posted:

Why are we fan-wanking over Castlevania anyway?

Because I know the lore way too much from the inside out despite thinking it's magic and shit.

Atleast it's consistent that Vampire Killer beats Dracula in Rock, Paper, Spock.

I admit I don't know as much as I would like about Castlevania, what I said was from a quick wiki walk so I expected to say something wrong, it's so much to play and so little time... As for Vampire Killer, did any other character besides a Belmont ever killed Dracula? The only one I know that did it is Alucard and that one day a Belmont finally kills him for good, more or less , and he becomes Soma Cruz.

As for why we're fan-wanking over Castlevania? This is a thread of a manga about vampires so of course we should do it here!

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Queer baiting is a thing though

True, but it's not the case here, it was always pretty subtle that Ran liked Keiko and that Keiko never showed the same attraction, if he wanted to bait he would be way more obvious, yuri fans saw only what they wanted instead of what it really was and that's why they got disappointed.

Miharu posted:

Like I like to say: don't you even start, if you're not planning to finish. What was even the point of this build up? Should just make Ran confess and get rejected, end of the story. Higayashima played on Prism's popularity and that's the fact.

What you say is irrelevant, writers start and finish whatever they want, your opinion don't matter for that, there was nothing to be finished too because this was never a love story between them, Ran love was always one-sided, Keiko was played as straight from the start so it was obvious Ran would be rejected, if you don't like it that's your problem, and your so called fact that he used Prism popularity is not a fact at all because again from the start it was promoted as slice of life about stretching in a seinen magazine, we don't see any mention of prism in raw chapters when they were published online because that was completely irrelevant, unlike western fans the japanese fans know that if it's not published in magazine of that genre then it's not going to be that genre, not to mention that above all Shou is a hentai lolicon mangaka not a yuri mangaka, you say Prims was so popular but you're talking from western fans perspective, if you really think he needed to use Prism popularity then you don't know how those magazines work, if Stretch was not popular by itself it would never get this far and become four volumes, a few chapters of a cancelled yuri manga would never take him this far.

Nezchan, maybe you should put a stop to this? Because this is not a discussion thread anymore, it basically became a thread to complain about Shou and make up lots of lies to put all the blame on him instead of facing the truth that people expected something that was never going to happen.

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Miharu posted:

Cardinal rule: you don't toy with your audience's expectations. You either deliver or not. Nobody will convince me that continuous build up for Ran x Keiko was completely unintentional and it's all in my head. That was a pretty sly trick to gather attention of yuri audience and judging by this title's popularity here it succeeded. I mean bussiness is bussiness but it's still kinda assholish.

Except for the fact that yuri fandom was never the main audience so your "rule" is useless, all the build up it had was that Ran was in love with Keiko, from the start this was never made for yuri fans because of the simple fact that it was published in a seinen magazine as slice of life and they never promoted it as yuri either, if anything some yuri fans are the ones being assholes here because they're all butthurt for expecting something that was never promised and they're putting all the blame on Shou when it's all their fault for forcing their expectations on the manga.

none posted:

Actually, Show promised a slice of life manga with roommates stretching. He delivered a slice of life manga with roommates stretching (one that was going pretty well until he fucked up the pace at the end). No yuri was promised, Stretch wasn't ever tagged as yuri (or even subtext) here. I don't understand why people can't let go about that...

Because some yuri fans think that anything with a little subtext or with lesbian character is made for them when it's pretty much always the opposite, it's easier for them to blame the mangaka instead of admitting they were wrong from the beginning.

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