Is it really over? There's still a lot of stuff to look for ;_;

She said a lot of things, but "wait for me" wasn't among them.

What do you think "Keep watching over me" means to someone with an 8 year crush?

Please stay my friend and look out for me? I don't want this to separate us forever? I still want to be your friend even if we're far away?

Remember that she decided to go along with it when she heard how Nene & co dealt with being separated after high school. She heard that they could stay friend and happy by working hard for their own goal. She decided to act because it was proof that could be the same for her and Rin. Otherwise I don't really know why this particular story would have hasten her decision to follow her goal.

And I'm not sure Rin would have not waited for her, even if Kou didn't ask it. She had her crush for 8 years (or less, it's not specified when she fell in love or I missed it), I think she is a hopeless case in a good way, I like that kind of dedication.

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I completely agree with you tbh, but I've been souring on Kou for a while, someone please bring on the angst doujins about Rin realising Kou isnt good for her and starting to look for new love.

No, please do angst but with Kou realising that Rin is the one for her, I want them together in the end. Even if it takes time, they care too much for each other to turn it into waste!

I honestly don't get the point of the whole Rin + Kou thing now. It really doesn't amount to any more than pointlessly tormenting one extremely nice character, and after a while, it's not even interesting.

Well, it's what is called one-sided love, I guess. I still hope it can be turned into something else, but it's cool to show support for your friend/lover as they go forward in life. After all, if Rin forced Kou to stay with her, it would've been selfish on her part. Of course, Kou leaving on her own is kind of selfish in itself, but I guess Rin is okay to make the sacrifice because she likes her that much.

I don't think there's much point to it in this kind of show, since it's not about romance. Just Yuri teasing and comedy/drama effect?

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Typical French spitting on their own stuff! :3

Well, Ubisoft's still a big thing in France and (some) Japanese love France, so why not. In addition to that, I'd say infogram is mostly known for bad games from what I heard here and there. But we made Dishonored and Styx, and other nice stuff. Don't sell ourselves short so quickly!

Regardless of their conversation in chapter 63, the author tends to do something, idk, more emotional between Kou and Aoba rather than Kou and Rin.

Well, it's mostly because Aoba is the main character, so of course it makes sense to see more of how it affects her. Kou is the one that made her decides what she will do for the rest of her life, after all. That's pretty big influence on somebody's life. So I don't mind, I'm just disappointed there isn't the same kind of interaction between Rin and Kou.

Now I can see what the guy on reddit said about not having real interaction between Kou and Rin. That said, this series never really had this heavy drama feeling, even when the situation was distressful (Kou's struggle of having all her work rejected, Aoba's realisation of how much she still has to go and now Rin learning Kou's derparture), it still manages to keep a light-hearted tone along the way.

However, we do have some pretty Rin x Kou, the fact the Kou finally tells Rin directly band before everyone else. And we do have Rin crying over Kou's departure and asking her to stay by her side forever; and we have Kou basically saying yes and asking Rin to take of her forever so she can go on her life with a smile. It's a bit sad, but I think it's the closest thing we'll have to confession. (I still hope for more and a proper confession as an endgame or whatever)

I would have loved to see Rin get even more emotional and crying, begging Kou to stay with her, but it was never the tone of the series and making her capable of keeping her emotions in check (almost), helped contrast with the immaturity of Aoba and made her scene even more impactful. And we don't know what happened with Rin and Kou off screen, perhaps there were even more crying moments involved!

But yeah, it's still Aoba's story, somehow? It's natural to see more of how it affects her, it was sweet. On a last note, it's cool it's realistic and all, but I don't want to feel that in my escape stories :(

P.S. No to Aoba x Kou, stop tearing Rin's heart further apart! And Aoba already has Hifumin.

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D.Va ended up fighting in the war anyways (probably using the mech as her hands) and the two met on the battlefield. The results of the battlefield are unclear but Mercy wakes up and finds D. Va's lifeless corpse in front of her. In the final panels Mercy tries using her cure (which she intended to use to fix D.Va's hands) to resurrect D.Va. It fails, D.Va is dead forever, sad end.

Until I read your post, I didn't want to admit that D.Va was dead... Like, everything was pointing to it, the dilated pupil, her body in half, but it only really hit when I read your comment. It's crazy how denial works! Now I'm really sad...

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;_; the websites in the credits is 404; does somebody know if there are teams willing to pick up the translation? I know it's sensitive when people ask about next release, I'd be grateful for any information. Otherwise, guess I'll just wait patiently.

Edit Apparently not, I officially apologise for my mistake.

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Ah see, sometimes people complain a story is dragging too long... Well I prefer that to a story who feels way too short, with the flower and the star, it's the second manga in a row that leaves me wanting more.

No prob. BiY is drama. Not the kind people would expect when they think of drama though.

Yeah, exactly what I thought. Maybe we haven't seen enough of Touko's inner struggles (and Yuu's), but I think this story will deserve an Aaaaaaaangst tag very soon, depending on how the events will play out. Loving the low-key/feel good drama, it's a nice balance with my other reads.

See, I think there's a thing that happens when I love a story and people criticize it (vehemently or not). When somebody says "the story you like sucks", my first reaction is to think "no, you suck, fuck you!". Then, I calm down and see what they really have to say about it, if they say nothing more than just "it sucks", I brush it off but if not, I try to argue with them, see what they don't like exactly and then defend the series, because I like it. Does my need to defend it means the story is bad?

Of course, it's just their opinion, to some degree, so in the end it shouldn't matter and everybody can move on to other things. It does feel like I'm verging toward a question preferences and subjectivity because it's hard for me to determine what is a good story objectively, what are the criteria, does it need to appeal to a broader audience or only a few really educated reader, etc. And you gave pretty good description of what you like in a drama, that helps me understand more why you don't like this or why you like that. It's still interesting to share views even if it's subjective.

I'd say that, for me, a good story is one which delivers what was promised. And that's kind of why I was talking about tolerance level, because perhaps people don't like melodramas so when the dramas are going for something a little more "extreme", they go "it's too unbelievable, it's so bad, etc." when it actually delivers what was promised. Something like "judge something for what it is, not what it could be", or something?

On the case of NTR, just a bit of rambling, Hotaru is some kind of cunt but what she does makes sense when you realise that she probably hates herself and worshipped Yuma, Yuma's confused and hurt from seeing her childhood friend getting fucked by every guy around, etc. that are the "extreme" tortured parts that make this story interesting for me. Things happen on an higher degree of what could happen in "real life". It's not like I love this series, but maybe I like being the devil's advocate there so I can't help to defend it; it has the potential of sparking interesting discussion.

P.S. A thing that anon wrote on /u/

"Realism doesn't make things right for a story. Pure realism is a documentation. A story idealizes certain things and needs to bring over some kind of point."

Kind of what I'm thinking, suspension of disbelief and all, I guess the point where it breaks for somebody help them to put a value on the story.

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Or are people just too hung up on HaruMatsu to care?

I'm too hung up on Mei x Yuzu to care! But, the most likely thing is that it was just Matsuri trying to crack Harumin's shield during their first meeting alone, to see what made her react. I don't think there is much more to read into it.

I have this feeling that Kaouru is already somewhat aware of Uta's feelings. The first time was when she was talking to her manager about going to her hobby full time for a little time. However, this may be just her wondering about her carrier choice or whatever. More intriguing would be the beginning of the same chapter (n° 6), something is not right with her happiness... Perhaps this Uta's chance to make it all true?

And now, with the special of vol 1, I have the feeling that Kaouru is beginning to wonder if there's something going on with Uta. Since we see their hug, I wonder if she thinks it's related to their relationship directly or only about Uta's love life in general. More chances for Uta to make her wish happen.

I can't wait how everything is going to play out. I root for Uta since I'm here for the yuri, but I still feel sympathy for Reiichi... There's going to be sadness.

It's way less funnier than Yuzu's mini hand during volume 4. Anyway, not the first to have mistakes, nor the last!

I kinda hate this beating around the bush drama of NTR but I guess the struggle of Hotaru does happen in real life

But, if she didn't beat around the bush, there would be no story! Now it depends if the drama is the centre of the story or part of it.. I guess?

she's already banging her, what's a love confession to worry about.

Dealing with emotions with way scarier than having sex with them. Hotaru is really broken and uses sex as an ersatz of emotional affection. She had numerous partner that she, apparently, ditched every time it started to get emotional and is currently in purely physical (abusive) relationship with another emotionally dead dude, just to indulge themselves.

Sex is easy for her, she does it all the time. Emotions on the other hand.. It cuts deeper and is really hard to deal with.

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The drama preferably shouldn't come out of nowhere just for the sake of putting the characters through shits and making the story "more exciting."

As much as that reproach could be made toward Citrus (not entirely agreeing on this), NTR only has self-contained drama that comes from inside the story, so at least it has that for itself. Even though it's lazy, I think random appearing drama can be good for a story if done correctly and not repeated, probably.

Otherwise, I kind of agree with everything you've written. Perhaps I'm more a sucker for melodramatic stuff, so that's why I don't mind some stuff that seems unbearable for others. What I'd argue with would be, even if what the character do is really, really stupid, as long as it is in accordance with what we've seen of them so far, I don't think it's bad for the story. Stupid and toxic character aren't bad characters as long as they stay.. in characters. I guess it doesn't help to care for them though; I do in this particular case, the flashback helped me feel sorry for both girls (I was already feeling sorry for Takeda and the blonde guy doesn't need pity).

I guess the limit is blurred though. We don't know everything of a character, so what is and what isn't in character. And at which point a decision/reaction is too extreme to be believable? I guess that determine what a good drama would be for one or another.

It's interesting to see that of the two down to earth drama you've cited and I found on dynasty, one of them doesn't have the drama tag.

Edit : Thanks for the recommendations, Bloom into you seems like a very interesting read. It misses some angsty elements for my tastes but the way it's done (ch4 as of now) is really nice. This is starting to sound like a blog post, apologies.

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@Rosenakahara

Ok no wait, I went to double check and I can't find where I read this. So this is probably misinformation on my part, I apologise for that :s (at least I hope so). Edit : Found it once again, don't how much the poster could be trusted, but it's hypothetical until we read it anyway.

ON ANOTHER TOPIC ...Who else wish that Peco was a real game? I even want to draw the queen more than any of the "real" girls.

I do, the idea is really interesting. The setting, which is close to Alice in Wonderland, is really appealing and the exploration of the psyche of lonely little girl could be compelling. However, this looks like a lighter version of American McGee's Alice and, even more so, its (wonderful) sequel Alice Madness Returns.

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But then, there's that new scene where Kou gives Rin the clock and thanks her for being such a good support all this time, proving how much Kou has grown these years thanks to Rin and at that point she knew what was coming and Rin knew something was weird and yet she decided not to tell her ... ? is like going back to the same old Kou right after saying that she changed,

Well, if you believe an infamous fictitious M.D., people don't change. I'd say that changing takes time and effort and that, also, you can very well fall back to your previous habits really fast.

It's Rin who says Kou has changed, though. That said, perhaps this whole scene was already some kind of good bye on Kou's part, like "since I'm going to go far away, I want to say what I think of Rin before we can't talk to each other for a long time." I think she's just no ready to face hurting Rin or her own feelings, probably.

But yes, we'll just have to wait. Raws stuff I read on reddit, so yeah SPOILERY !!Probably Wrong!! although apparently in the manga there is no real interaction between Kou and Rin before the former's departure.. This is disappointing, we'll have to see how they deal with it in the anime; which seems to take a more emotional/darker turn.

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It's funny, at first it was a cute dose of sweetness and now I begin to find it more interesting as the drama takes its way into the story. I love stories that can evolve or stray away from their original intent for a moment.

Of course, I'm overreacting as I don't think it will go very far into the more serious tone it's starting to give; even though the anime's tone is even "darker" than the manga's.

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The premise is that Kou has poor people skill. This is what caused her first job as an AD, what makes her oblivious to Rin's feeling, etc. It's not only anime logic, it stays within the mindset of Kou.

Perhaps a case of low confidence? Or perhaps, Kou is well aware of how it would impact Rin and that is why she hesitates to tell her. Judging by how she took Nene's reflection, she is afraid of how Rin will react and I can imagine that the reason why she doesn't tell her right away is that Rin would probably try to stop her, or so would Kou think, and maybe she thinks Rin is capable of making her changer her mind.

That said, Kou doesn't realise that doing something behind a friend's back is more upsetting than actually leaving them, because as a good friends they would support you. So yeah, I think it boils down to Kou being kind of oblivious to/bad at social interaction.

Wait, what...

It's probably a mistake because of reuse of previous work, but if it isn't, it's worth pointing out. Why would Rin be at previous desk? Edit : Okay, I thought she had moved to another desk, apparently not, my bad.

Aaarrgh damn, the feels are even stronger in the anime ;_;

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It's not like they were waiting to be more intimate, I think it's more like they can't control themselves when they start kissing each other and it sort of happened to be during their vacation. I mean, before that there were hickey and literal love bite, I guess maybe the fact that their mother was in the next room made them hold back?

Perhaps it also has to do with their difficulty to deal with their own feelings and the secrecy of their relationship. They struggle with it since vol6, even more so in vol7, and it just happens to explode during this vacation. Maybe it's the thrill of being found out? Or the secrecy of their little makeout session?

This one's glorious!

I like how this series which is supposed to be all love and sweetness is making me all anxious and unsure as if I was reading one of my more angsty series. I think showing this much interaction and apparition of Kou is some kind of torture. "It would cause a lof of problems if I were to disappear, after all, right?", yeah, no shit. If it were a more "serious" manga, I'd probably note the complete absence of Rin in the chapter and write how I hope she won't be avoiding Kou until the departure of the later.

That said, I'm a bit impatient to see how the situation will play out, my inner dramaqueen is hoping to see Rin ignoring Kou until the very end when either Kou cracks and leaves without saying bye to Rin or have Rin kind of confessing to Kou and Kou leaving anyway... But I guess it would go too far in the drama territory. So yeah, am really eager to read the next chapters!

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I guess the fact that it makes people react so much means it's a good drama, somehow?

If getting your blood boiled over how over-exaggeratedly dumb/retarded/toxic all the characters act & over the infuriating/ridiculous situations they get themselves into is what you look for in a drama, then sure, NTR is certified quality drama.

Wouldn't that be boring if there wasn't over exaggeration? I guess it depends on the degree of drama you are willing/able to take. Simple situation and plain reaction can be good, but perhaps they are more fitting for SOL stuff. I think I expect more dramatic stuff when I see the drama tag.

I mean, in my mind, drama is supposed to make you cry of joy and sadness, to make you scream of rage and frustration, cringe of embarrassment, figuratively speaking, of course; the point is to make you feel something and react, exaggerated situations/traits are good for that. I guess there is a limit to what amount of drama one can take. Perhaps I'm confusing drama for tragedy.

I've read many times people complaining about how stupid a character is, as if it was a bad thing; or whatever other flaws they could find (toxic, etc.). I think those make good characters for dramas even though they would make despicable human beings outside of the story. If they have good reasons to be that way, it's okay in my book.

I'm curious now, what is a good drama for you?

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All this hand holding action... I'm surprised there's no NSFW tag (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)

I don't know... I kind of want them to face their feeling and start something little by little. I really appreciate the angst that comes out of their relationship from past perceived betrayal. There is a sense of tragedy. First Hotaru who feels betrayed by her only friend/saviour, and go look for love and approval with guy; then Yuma who see her sweet little friend going out with boys and feels betrayed to not be Hotaru's unique object of admiration.

They're teenagers with all the complication of dealing with feelings/desire that come with it. I don't think they are as horrible as everybody think. Of course, what they do is despicable to a certain degree, but it's a story so there's a lot of exaggeration everywhere, and they're still young so not really mature to deal with what is happening. On the case of poor Takeda, to Yuma's defence, they weren't very, very far in their relationship at all and mistakes can be made at the beginning of a relationship; I think it's best it happened on the start.

But now that Yuma has confessed her fault and apologised to Takeda, the path to redemption has begun! It just took her a little time to fully acknowledge what she is feeling.

I guess the fact that it makes people react so much means it's a good drama, somehow?

We all do...