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Utoptia
Mono-Eye discussion 01 Oct 13:51
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Pure shit until the very end; the last page made the story worth it. Fucked-up and corrupted hoe got purified by the yuri yandere.

Refreshing read, the art is decent, but not that great, and I found the sex scene boring. Page 5 kinda is disgusting though, just like the non-yuri'd makino.

What I really liked is the "I'll break you" at the end, from the Yandere. The way the dumb hoe becomes the yandere's plaything, the way she is, and will be manipulated and will eventually end up in tears, in despair, in nothingness is delicious. A delicious gloomy, dark and bad end, but relevant. Such a great twisted twist.

well at least it isn't like the one where the girl amputated the girl she liked...

I bet you're refering to this one.

Edit : Nevri Oh, you're right, I totally forgot this one. I don't thank you for reminding me of it though.

last edited at Oct 1, 2016 2:56PM

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

It's updated ! Fucking nice, I love this serie.

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Having a deep story, with a real and solid plot, about feels, love, maturing and other themes like that, and the concerned story being NSFW aren't incompatible, on the contrary.

It's not about explicit content and nudity, but how it is used, drawn and depicted. One two of the best yuri ever (IMHO) contain NSFW scenes and it just makes those stories better, because it is amazingly executed and it serves the plot. Yes, I'm talking about these two.

Even some oneshots hentai-ish can have a deep vibe, even if it's just a vibe and it's ofcourse nto the point of such stories.

NSFW, and even some porny stuff, aren't male targeted.

And it's not like you'll get sympathy from people who actually like the manga and still read it by coming here to post how you'd like to end in het because in your opinion it'd be the better end.

Strangely enough, I don't remember having wanted to get sympathy. People might or might not agree, but nothing prevents them to remain polite [and courteous].

last edited at Sep 28, 2016 1:20PM

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

I know there is another yuri like this where girl pretend to weather girl but that manga is school one.

This one. From the author or Dark Forest, White Road, which you heard of.

As for the one you're looking for, the only one that comes to my mind is this but it's not harem, though it's a girl falling into the hell.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

This hidden gem, ofcourse. Thanks for reminding me of it, one of my favorite oneshot by the way.

gonna read it immediatly

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

I've dropped it; reading the comments is enough to know what happens.

So then if you've stopped reading why are you still watching the comments? Why not read something you enjoy instead of the thoughts/ opinions of people reading something you don't?

Is this forbidden ?

And I've read basically everything original tagged yurion this site; which is why I happened to read things I like and things I didn't. Thanks for your solicitude, however.
While I did not enjoy this manga at all, I still find it, and more precisely the opinion of people who enjoyed it, interesting. And even if I don't agree with them, I like to discuss with other users about it, because they might point out something I missed in this manga, or highlight an aspect I didn't get that could bring me, if not to like, to hate it less.

Or is that also forbidden ?

So, good angst is when it ends well.
Bad angst is when it ends badly.

@Nya-chan

I should have picked more relevant examples. Here's one more pertinent that should satisfy you.

last edited at Sep 27, 2016 3:18PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Was right on the japanese food.
Plot twist : your brother did that on purpose :P

Cream chesse with a temaki ? Never heard of such. I don't eat japanese meals that often though, and when I do, it's usually salmon sashimi / sushi with rice and a small amount of wasabi so.

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

He's a male character in a yuri manga. He will not get much sympathy from me.

Even though he is most pure character in this manga.

Why pure?
All Takeda's legit done in the entire series, is be nice, and desperate to get laid. Ofc you can be both nice and horny, one isn't necessarily the motive for the other, but I'm just.. I'm just personally on guard when it concerns him.
If by "pure" you mean innocent, and not as in "untainted", but "not guilty", how he didn't actually do anything backhanded that lead to hurting someone else, then yeah I agree.

But even though action-wise, he never really hurt anyone (I'm considering Yuma being sad/dumped, the consequences of making him feel rejected), I don't really care about him either.
Takeda is the most boring character of them all. He's like a bystander, a casualty from Yuma/Hotaru's mess, it's more what he represents, some kind of generic, plain boyfriend that is second best compared to Hotaru, someone to prove that Hotaru is more important, rather than who he is.

You guys just highlighted the reasons I hate this manga.
Hakeda wanted to bang her .. well, because Hotaru did not ? One was behaving as nice as he could to achieve it and because he loved Yuma, the other manipulated her, toyed with her heart and guess who's being praised ?

The Yuma / Hotaru relationship is so unhealthy because Hotaru has a complete control of the so-called relationship. She NTR'd Hakeda and made Yuma fall in love with her (she was not in the beginning) to reject her, move on as @Asukaori stated and she's the one who can decide to put an end or not at the relationship. The two absolutely aren't on an equal footing with each other.

I don't even care about Fujiwara, he can stab himself to death, it wouldn't change anything. I firmly believe the worst is by far Hotaru. She may be more than a simple manipulative and bad person, but it doesn't change how destructive she is, even if she isn't purposely.
Sure, this will probably get a "happy" yuri end where the girls will end up together, but in an unhealthy relationship whence nothing good will come from, because of what I explained above.

99% of time in a yuri manga with het / bi, yuri end is the most suitable and wanted, because it's usually the purest / most honest / where the real love lies. Kodama Naoko just broke this and made the [hated] het ending the best choice; to likely end the story with the yuri end one.
Good job, Kodama ! (This is why I have respect for this author, they really have skill to make nauseus stories. I don't recall any other author this talented to write stories like this. Once again, it's just not my cup of tea).

Edit : Utoptia and Brolquiorra VS the world. United, we stand.

last edited at Sep 25, 2016 7:30PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

I'm betting you were eating japanese food while watching an ocean eleven-like movie in your bed.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Don't know if this is really the place for this.
Anyway, I'd recommend you Heat, and Inception (the firts two that came to my mind).

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Yuma and Hotaru have something much more precious.

I don't think so, but it's a matter of opinion here. I find Hotaru a manipulative and destructive jerk, and I believe nothing good will come from their [unhealthy] relationship in the mid-long run.

Well by definition yuri is girl x girl. But I have a question, why do you read this if it makes you feel nauseus?

I've dropped it; reading the comments is enough to know what happens.

That's a thing I've noticed in yuri fandom. Some readers can't handle a bit of angst, and even if the story is not bad, it will get labeled as "bad" because it contains stuff that are triggering.
Of course everyone is welcome to feel however they want about certain mangas, but when critising a story, I think we better try to see it from a more objective perspective.

How can you apprehend a story purely objectively ? Are you a bot ? While you have to be objective while critising a story, I believe a part of subjectivity is welcomed aswell.
Once again, while I respect the author and acknowledge the quality of their works, I can't bring myself to like them.
As for the angst, there is a difference between good and pertinent angst / drama, and dumb angst just for .. angst ?
That's good angst. Too.
That's bad, or rather useless angst.

I'll end with the absolute line "To each their own". Good for you if you enjoy stories like this. It's just not my cup of tea.
Objectively, everything is enjoyable though.

last edited at Sep 25, 2016 5:50PM

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015
Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

The latest raw is indeed this one. Next raws will be published the 10/03

Funny enough, we just found out Yuzumori's first name: Kaede.

I'm wondering how you know that too. Is it written in japanese in her exam papers, on Mimika's phone ?

last edited at Sep 25, 2016 5:25PM

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

And personally speaking, I don't consider this as a yuri. Sure, it involves two girls, but it's way too fucked up

I didn't realise yuri solely involved healthy, happy relationships.

...

personally speaking

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

^
We all know Yuzumori san is the real predator here. Pretty sure real Yuzumori is like the cute little girl in this one.

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

^
As much as I hate heterosexuality in my yuri [and Kodama Naoko's stuff]; I don't get this animosity towards the only [yet] non-fucked up character. Having a Y chromosome doesn't make you a jerk, even if lots of men in yuri are.
And personally speaking, I don't consider this as a yuri. Sure, it involves two girls, but it's way too fucked up, it nearly gives me nausea.

I'll make enemies here, but for me, in this manga, the happiest end would be a het one (and god knows how this line is surprising from me) with Takeda and the dumb blonde-haired girl. The other two manipulative jerks just deserve sorrow and pain.

last edited at Sep 25, 2016 5:12PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

^
I suppose everyone's enjoying their week-end :P

I'll share a song too, one of the trendiest at the moment in France, from PNL ( a french group); it really is pleasant to listen. Enjoy !

last edited at Sep 24, 2016 9:21PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

^
As for the 3 above, that's kinda true; even if I believe the quality of the yuri is way more imporant than the quantity.
For Canno; it's not about them being active or not, I just hate everything from this author.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

I'm curious now, who is the current Yuri ruler?

Take your pick between Itou Hachi, Canno and Nakatani Nio.

"Canno."
No, just no. I can get on board with Itou Tachi and Nakatani Nio, but not Canno. Just. Not. Canno.

I didn't mean one person by yuri ruler by the way, I meant that Comako could become of of the future yuri rulers.
If I had to name somes, I'd go with Amano Shunita, Nanzaki Iku, Mira and Morishima Akiko.

Even if my favorites in the most active ones are Ejima Eri and walkingnorth; we can't really consider them as yuri rulers here.

last edited at Sep 22, 2016 11:34AM

Utoptia
Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

And here it comes, the fuck this shit tag should be mandatory here. And the more I read stories like this, the more my idea of a het-end warning seems pertinent.

Staff please.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

@Utoptia

As an only child, I can't imagine the way you do but I believe that you're a bit too harsh. [...]
If, in the real world, two persons of the same family (parents/children excluded) happen to be in a relationship, and if they are fully aware, consenting and on an equal footing with each other, as "immoral" as it is (I firmly hate the concept of moral by the way, I believe we shouldn't bother with something this meaningless) we have no right to say if it is right or wrong, even if it does disgust you, in my humble opinion.

Why did you exclude the "parents/children" case in your example? I wonder if it was because you had parents, if the case was included, you could imagine the way I did.

You did not read me carefully enough so I will highlight.

 "if they are fully aware, consenting and on an equal footing with each other"

Being on a total equal footing with your mother, who raised you from when were you were a baby to now, for example, is totally impossible.
The line above doesn't apply if the child was raised by, let's say their aunt, and if they meet their mom for the first time at the age of 15, for example. Even though it will remain kinda awkward, and the line between mother / child and lover / lover will remain extremly fragile, and such relationship is likely to lead to abuse.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

My, this was .. so great. Is Comaku a future Yuri ruler ? I'm a big fan of their art though.

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

^
It sure can't be worse than what you've gone through, you said it yourself, being busy with work is a really good thing. So, the workaholic Galich is gonna be in the top 3 of her prestigious uni. You might even be the next Copernicus, Kafka or whatever.

Coffee is great when you're zombie-like in the morning when you've had 2-3 hours of sleeping, but it just can't compete with the almighTEA ;)

Well, gonna read Pieta for the millionth time and sleep; got the good habit to go to bed early, I can't screw up now ! Have a good night guys.

last edited at Sep 20, 2016 5:08PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

I can't really agree with your overall view of incest, @Oliver

As an only child, I can't imagine the way you do but I believe that you're a bit too harsh.
As much as incest puts me off in real life (I absolutely adore yuri wincest though) I don't think you have the right to judge something as "morally right" or not. Incest manga don't depict reality though, most of the time it's just normal yuri but with two members of the same family instead.

If, in the real world, two persons of the same family (parents/children excluded) happen to be in a relationship, and if they are fully aware, consenting and on an equal footing with each other, as "immoral" as it is (I firmly hate the concept of moral by the way, I believe we shouldn't bother with something this meaningless) we have no right to say if it is right or wrong, even if it does disgust you, in my humble opinion.

Edit : @anon

You can also watch the movies from my top 10, I can safely guarantee that they're great :D
And you know where the anarchist jerk Utoptia is from, my teutonic neighbour ;)

last edited at Sep 20, 2016 5:13PM

Johanliebert
joined Dec 15, 2015

Arabian tea > Tea > Iced tea >>>>>>>>>> coffee > everything else, sorry galich. Wish you good luck on your uni; knowing you, you should do great ;)