Hey, Takoyaki Shirt Kid Guy makes another appearance! Still convinced that he is actually Kotooka, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens! Probably for a ridiculously long time since it's one of those overblown drama series, but... eh, I still enjoy it.

Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

Oh, it's more shippy with a male MC? I'd assumed it was the same, since it was pretty dang shippy with the feMC.

Yeah, there's only one spot I know of where the dialogue changed, though I can't recall off the top of my head where I saw comparison screenshots showing it.

I think you're referring to this scene? https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5gz478/lillies_dialogue_during_the_exeggutor_island_rain/

I haven't been able to play Sun or Moon since I'm poor and I can't afford a 3DS (and yet I browse the Pokemon subreddit frequently for some reason...), but some people in that thread are saying that Lillie said the "male dialogue" to their female MC. Perhaps the line she says is determined by some other factor?

I wonder if that White Lily Ward thing is a reference to Nurse Love Addiction?

Also, "The finals went horribly for both of us. But I have no regrets." Would I love to have a personality like that!

I mean, if Mimika is in love with a little girl, I think that she is, by definition, a lolicon... unless she actually is an older girl pretending to be younger. That would kind of defeat the whole purpose of this thing in my opinion but, oh well, I'm sure it'll still be good regardless.

You know, in the end Blizzard played it safe. Almost disappointingly so.

Unless they introduce in game interactions making reference to Emily, the whole thing won't be nothing more than a footnote in the great scheme of the things, much other elements introduced already on the comics (does anyone remember or cares about Phara's squad mates?)

Something really impressive would've been to actually reveal Tracer's orientation by making her be in a relationship with another hero. Or hell, they would've simply gone the Bioware route and made everyone potencial romantic interests so the audience could've picked whichever they like the most.

I mean, I see your point, but, functionally, that's is pretty much the same thing as revealing that she's in a relationship with another hero. It's just gonna be revealed in a comic or a short and then completely forgotten about afterward. Still, I would like to see some quotes referencing Emily, and I'm sure Blizzard will throw them in at some point. You know, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't any heroes say anything explicit about romantic stuff. They might imply stuff, sure, but they don't actually say anything... well, Tracer's the only one so far with an actual named romantic interest, so I'm hoping that she'll reference her at some point.

Certainly, men can write great yuri, but the problem is that they usually... don't. I was so excited for Valkyrie Drive at first. I mean, Soul Eater with lesbians? COUNT ME IN! Yeah, it was made by the people behind Senran Kagura, so I wasn't expecting much... but, it turned out to be pretty much borderline porn. There is so much that can be done with a concept like that and it was completely ruined...

But, yeah, all of Mujieda Fuyabi's (that's how I tried to spell it at first, anyway, but it's really Fujieda Miyabi) works are awesome, Prism and Sasameki Koto are great (as you mentioned), Hoshikawa Ginza District was great (though I think that blackmail strip photo thing which was completely ignored afterward is a pretty glaring sign that a dude wrote it...)... hmm, I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of now.

Yeah, I hear ya. Was not a big fan of VD either...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I love Kunihiko Ikuhara & much of his contribution to yuri, even YKA.

Oh yeah, I loved YKA. I still haven't watched Utena or Penguindrum (I don't think this is yuri but not sure) yet, but I definitely need to some time soon.

... You know, I really derailed this thread, so I'd like to get it back on track. Uh, well, the "different cup sizes" thing is yet another example of why yuri written by women is just better. I never really noticed that Sayaka apparently has a bigger chest than Touko, but that's a testament to the lack of sexualization in this manga! Or a testament to my ignorance of chest size, I guess, I don't know. Thought it was pretty funny that Sayaka's gaze was immediately drawn to the boobs while Yuu's gaze was immediately drawn to the legs... Also, that play looks awesome, I can't wait for the play chapter to come out.

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@minutoh I totally understand where you're coming from & I agree with your view to some extent. I, too, do tend to believe that women, in general, write more natural yuri since they know how to depict their own gender's emotions and experiences better. Tho I also think that some males can do great yuri, too, without turning it into mindless fanservice ^_^

Certainly, men can write great yuri, but the problem is that they usually... don't. I was so excited for Valkyrie Drive at first. I mean, Soul Eater with lesbians? COUNT ME IN! Yeah, it was made by the people behind Senran Kagura, so I wasn't expecting much... but, it turned out to be pretty much borderline porn. There is so much that can be done with a concept like that and it was completely ruined...

But, yeah, all of Mujieda Fuyabi's (that's how I tried to spell it at first, anyway, but it's really Fujieda Miyabi) works are awesome, Prism and Sasameki Koto are great (as you mentioned), Hoshikawa Ginza District was great (though I think that blackmail strip photo thing which was completely ignored afterward is a pretty glaring sign that a dude wrote it...)... hmm, I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of now.

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"Correction: Tracer is shown being kissed by another woman, who she appears to be living with."

What?? I can understand a reaction like this if Emily was forcing a kiss on her, but this kiss is CLEARLY NOT FORCED. AT ALL. IN ANY WAY. GOD, I WANT TO MAKE A POLYGON ACCOUNT JUST TO REPLY TO THIS IDIOT BUT AT THE SAME TIME... NAH, I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE IT...

That's true, but I'd say even if a straight woman does write yuri, they'd probably still know more about women than men. And, yeah, sorry if that thing's a bit daunting... I'm not trying to argue, just trying to justify my (frankly, quite stupid) belief.

I dunno, look at all the women who write yaoi....

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......okay, that kinda proves your point.

You know, I never did really like yaoi since that whole seme/uke dynamic kinda creeps me out, especially with the more feminine one usually being the seme and the more masculine one usually being the uke... was it the other way around? (Yaoi without that stuff is pretty great though). Well, anyway, that kind of irks me a bit, and I feel like yaoi written by dudes or, even better, gay dudes would be a lot more realistic than that stuff. That being said, I'm pretty sure Prunus Girl was written by a woman, and I love that manga so much, especially since Aikawa's the more assertive one in their relationship.

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Wow that's huge. Uh, I don't have an opinion/don't want to argue/I'm tired but I do want to reply to this line:

I feel that lesbians would know more about lesbian relationships than some random dude would.

Yeah probs, but then again, we were just like, talking about female/male writers earlier. A lot of women write yuri, but as to the authors' own sexual orientation, well, women who write yuri aren't necessarily gay.

That's true, but I'd say even if a straight woman does write yuri, they'd probably still know more about women than men. And, yeah, sorry if that thing's a bit daunting... I'm not trying to argue, just trying to justify my (frankly, quite stupid) belief.

I wonder what Sombra's doing in that bar with McCree... maybe it's just a coincidence or a convenient way to jam them both into one panel, but there's something fishy about this...

Well, it's just that, as a dude, I feel that lesbians would know more about lesbian relationships than some random dude would. Sure, just because an author doesn't have personal experience with something doesn't necessarily mean that it's gonna be bad (ie: Sasameki Koto, Amber Teahouse), but I like the authenticity that writing about something with which you have personal experience adds, you know? Romance is romance no matter the gender of the people involved, but there are those little things that men wouldn't really know about... of course, since I am a dude, I can't really tell what they are (though, really, hanging around here for so long has taught me a few of those things...), so I just assume all the little things are little things that men wouldn't know about. Like... take Bright and Cheery Amnesia with its wonderful "INDIRECT BRA-ING" scene. Would that scene have been the same if it a guy who didn't know the distinction between different types of bras (like me) wrote it? ... Yeah, it would have been, so that's probably not a good manga to choose. Hmm... Flip Flappers then? I don't think a male writer would have known as much as whoever wrote it did (I'm hoping that the main writer is female so I can prove my point) about Class S yuri and how bad it is... plus, there's the nail clipper scene! I'm not sure if that's supposed to be an innuendo or not, but that's how I'm interpreting it, damn it.

Also, I admit that I'm pretty biased and I assume that every yuri thing made by men is inherently more fanservice-y than yuri made by women. I mean, compare Valkyrie Drive to anything written by Takemiya Jin. Of course, women have written many fanservice-y yuri manga as well, such as Sakura Trick and Mira's stuff, but... well, even Mira's manga have a decent plot while her stuff written by a dude would have a shitty plot or just jump right into the sex. But, really, I think women have more right to include yuri fanservice-y stuff than a man does. It feels less... lecherous, I guess. Certainly, I'd say the reverse holds true too; men have more of a right to include yaoi fanservice-y than women do. That's not really that common though, is it? (You know, speaking of men and yaoi, are there any popular yaoi manga/anime that are written by a dude? I would certainly love to read/watch it). But, well, this is just my own preconceived biases coming to play, and I accept fully that I'm being ridiculously irrational...

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You know, does this comic really prove that Genji/Mercy is a thing? I mean, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that a dude could be sending a letter to the woman who saved his life without it being romantic.

Also, WOO, am I glad that I was active to see a gay reveal thing happening! Posting overnecessarily snarky replies to homophobes pretty much gives my life meaning.

This was so unexpected and exciting that I ended up hurting myself. Ouuuch... well, anyway, it's nice that Blizzard didn't back out and finally revealed their LGBT character! More than one would be nice, but, eh, it's better than nothing, I guess.

I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well...

How did you come to that conclusion?

Hmm, I probably jumped to conclusions a bit. Randomly searching something on Google then reading one sentence of the first thing that comes up is never a good idea! Anyhow, it's quite nice to know that she isn't male.

I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well... I guess guys can write good yuri too. Such as Chatting at the Amber Teahouse and... well, this too.

Woah, would I love to read The Lily in the Rear Garden! I feel like that whole "lily" thing should've clued people in who were expecting het stuff, but I suppose that not EVERYTHING with the word "lily" in it is yuri. Like... well, I don't know of any stories with "lily" in the title other than yuri.

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The thing that struck me as weird about the Salt/Mimi thing was that he said "your daughter" and not "our daughter" when he confronted Mimi. Yeah, I guess it's probably more that he doesn't consider Cocona to be his daughter considering all the other hints that support the fact that she is, but still would I love to see yuri science babies.

It's aa honest to goodness kiss... I think. I thought it was an honest to goodness kiss but I went back to check and saw that it was one of those "you've got cream on your cheek let me get that for ya" things. It was right next to her mouth, so I don't know... but sure looked like a mouth-to-mouth kiss to me. Goddammit, ambiguous framing! Still, even if they didn't actually kiss it's definitely not subtext. This anime doesn't skirt around their love like most do; nope, it makes it EXTREMELY CLEAR that they love each other as more than sisters. There's also the obligatory creepy stalker girl too who's definitely in love with Kana.

I never believed for a second it was just a cream removal move, Kana's head inclination to the right and the reaction was a huge giveaway, i just found out the other day that there's this cult preeching that it was on the cheek and was baffled by its existence Then again, it was on /v/, so... Y'know

Phew, looks like I was an idiot for doubting the generosity and good sense of... whatever studio made Candy Boy, I don't know. I don't see the point of such a cult since, I mean, even if they didn't kiss... that still doesn't erase, you know, EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE ANIME which shows their deep love for one another (I'm presuming it's one of those "they're not actually lovers, they're just REALLY CLOSE sisters" cults, though I'm probably wrong).

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It's trashy SoL comedy subtext..

Let me guess, the kiss was on the cheek?

It's aa honest to goodness kiss... I think. I thought it was an honest to goodness kiss but I went back to check and saw that it was one of those "you've got cream on your cheek let me get that for ya" things. It was right next to her mouth, so I don't know... but sure looked like a mouth-to-mouth kiss to me. Goddammit, ambiguous framing! Still, even if they didn't actually kiss it's definitely not subtext. This anime doesn't skirt around their love like most do; nope, it makes it EXTREMELY CLEAR that they love each other as more than sisters. There's also the obligatory creepy stalker girl too who's definitely in love with Kana.

They're both technically 'forced', but at Nishima did it relatively slowly, didn't like, push her down or anything. It's more like she 'stole' a kiss, did it more playfully. And Kae's reaction afterwards wasn't straight up being traumatized and scared

That's definitely true, Shima's kiss was framed in a more playful manner. Kae was just super embarrassed and went all "it's a girl so it doesn't count!" after the kiss as opposed to her terrified (and justified) reaction to Nanashima's kiss... You know, what an episode that was, making me actually like the character I hated most then making me hate him even more... I heard the manga made his remorse more obvious, but, still, I find something like that to be completely inexcusable, even if he does have an "excuse."

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Yeah that was it, Nanashima does kiss her, tho it was pretty gross and 'unconsciously' done. Arguably, Nishima does surprise-kiss her too, but idk, it felt more legit than his at least

I feel like Shima's kiss was more legit cause, you know, she was actually conscious while she was doing the kissin'. It's certainly true that Nanashima's kiss was a lot more disgusting compared to Shima's even though they were both pretty much forced kisses... though the atmosphere and all that stuff of the Nanashima kiss scene was definitely a lot more disturbing. And the fact that he's a guy, there's that too.

It's trashy SoL comedy subtext..

Trashy? Candy Boy's the opposite of trashy (to me, at least). I mean, I don't even remember any fanservice shots at all, and their relationship wasn't fetishized at all... granted, I haven't watched it in months so there probably were some. Still, it's definitely not subtext, especially considering they kiss at the end!

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Fun fact: she's the only one that actually kissed the MC at this point, even if she did pass it off as a joke

I'm not up to date, but are you?
I don't think that's true anymore, anime-wise >_>

While I like this anime and all, it's kind of... forgettable, to be honest, especially compared to the other anime I'm watching right now (Flip Flappers). I watched Episode 10 yesterday and I don't really remember any other kisses... Spoilers for the 8th episode (I think at least) I think Nanashima might have kissed her during his sick dream thing, but I don't really remember. I wouldn't really count something like that as an actual kiss, but, yeah, I see your point. When did one of the dudes kiss her?

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Uh, maybe I'm just an idiot but what the heck was Kai doing stretching her hand out like that for no reason? And why did she randomly start running when there were a bunch of people in front of her? Or was she tripping or something? I can't really tell what's going on in that panel...

And, yeah, I thought that the ending was way too rushed. I guess it's not too unreasonable to assume that Kai fell for Torii during her broken hand phase, but it still came out of nowhere... Definitely still interesting, but it would have been nice if it was a bit longer.

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I think I dropped everything this season... Was fairly mediocre tbh.

Also, what ever happened to that actual lesbian in that reverse harem anime? I forgot what it was called.

Anyways, so glad next season is just around the corner tho, dragon yuri and KonoSuba ~

I believe you're talking about Nishina Shima from Kiss Him, Not Me (which I'm watching, by the way... it's pretty good, honestly). I'm pretty sure Shima is bisexual and not gay since she salivates over yaoi just as much as the MC (Kae) does (yep, salivates), but the point still stands that she's part of Kae's harem plus four dudes and it's very clear that she's in love with her. Right now, I'd say that all of the suitors have a fairly equal chance of getting the girl (yes, even Shima), but, let's face it, Shima's definitely not gonna win. Who knows though... apparently, everything the mangaka made before this was yaoi so maybe she'll throw a curveball and pair up all the guys with each other, leaving Kae for Shima! Yeah, that's a fever dream, so I'm hoping that Flip Flappers at least will have actual yuri in the end.

Fun fact: she's the only one that actually kissed the MC at this point, even if she did pass it off as a joke.

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This was actually a pretty interesting series (or, at least, the free chapters were). I was worried about those two dudes who showed up in the beginning, but it looks like things are gonna end in a gay way for them too, so hopefully my worries are unfounded. Anyhow, it seems like a fairly generic "asshole deals with her troubled past and becomes less asshole-y due to the POWER OF LOVE," but, you know, I haven't really read many yuri series like this, so at least it's got that going for it. Definitely looking forward to becoming not poor so that I can buy the rest of the chapters! Thanks for introducing me to this thing!

^ That pretty much sums up my thought process as well. I mean, at this point, it's too early to tell if all of us who were watching for the yuri will be disappointed with Flip Flappers, but I can only hope that it all ends well (and gay).