Thanks a lot for your summaries @Seira, they're always helpful for those who barely understand japanese. So it seems that Yuzumori might misunderstand Mimika's words and think that she's just breaking their friendship off.

I think there's a 50% chance that Yuzumori took it as Mimika breaking their friendship off, but also a 50% chance that Yuzumori understood what Mimika was getting at, although this is something I'm unsure of so we'll have to wait until chapter 12 comes out. We can only make interpretations based off of Yuzumori's reactions.

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Maybe, but as for me, i think Yuzumori rly has that feelings. Yes she is still kid, but in a same time she is much more mature (compare to Mimika) and the way how she acts (this jealousy and a wish to monopolize Mimika). Its more than "like".
PS: its only my view.

Well, I won't put up an argument, haha. I can see where you're coming from, but I just wanted to clarify that the most accurate translation would not have Yuzumori say that she "loves" Mimika, so "like" is the correct word.

I think at the very end the original B-ko lets the clone kill her when she realizes that if the clones can live happily together 'like that' then that's better than her living like this any longer. They'll live happily ever after in a way she never could. After all, it's the clone A-ko over there, not the original. It was a clone all along.
Wait, can the clone make more clones? That would, for sure, mean B-ko is the original, not swapped in the very beginning.
If it is clone B-ko at the very end? Running off to live with clone A-ko? At least they won't have to keep murdering themselves any longer.
(I hope we can edit this in case I re-read it and figure it is different)

Hmm, I'm under the impression that the disease is based off of desires, so since clone A-ko and B-ko are now happy together, they have no more to ask for.

1 question. In last сhapter Yuzumori said "i like you".
I thought,that,when somebody say "...ことが好き" its mean "I love you"
Am i wrong?

Not always. I think the 「こと」just makes it more specific, as in "the one I like is Mimika (specifically)", and the 「好き」can very easily be taken as "like" friendship-wise, which seems to be the case here.

So basically, it all depends on the context. Yuzumori has shown (as far as we know) that she has no romantic feelings for Mimika, so naturally it would make the most sense if her sentence is just her saying that she enjoys Mimika's company.

They have a 7 year dif

8 years

Pretty sure Mimika is 15-16 and Yuzumori is 9-10.

Chapter 11 spoilers:

Basically, it's mostly Mimika thinking to herself about how badly she wants to tell Yuzumori that she likes her romantically, but ultimately cannot because she doesn't want to ruin their current relationship. Mimika believes that Yuzumori's form of「好き」is different from hers, so she tries to calm herself down and not have any delusional thoughts about it.

Mimika thinks back to the memories they shared together and realizes that she definitely can't ruin their relationship because she would feel absolutely crushed if she said something that would stop them from being friends since Yuzumori is already so lonely... so eventually, Mimika answers Yuzumori by casually saying, "I really like you too, Yuzumori-san!" (not as a confession though).

HOWEVER, shit starts going down the drain when Mimika tries to shut her romantic feelings for Yuzumori away. Mimika, not wanting to let go of those feelings, breaks down because she is unable to move on. If I'm seeing this correctly, it looks like while crying, all Mimika managed to say out loud was:

Mimika: I like you... (just the typical「好き」, nothing too special... to Yuzumori, at least)
Mimika: ... Giving up is impossible. (Be aware Mimika doesn't explicitly say what she's giving up on)
Mimika: Simply remaining as just friends...
Mimika: I don't want that!
Mimika (to herself): It's over.
Mimika (to herself): I really went and did it.
Mimika (to herself): There's no turning back now. / There's no way we'll be able to go back to the way things were before.
Mimika (to herself): I have broken down. (Rough translation... I suppose she's basically just saying "RIP me")

EDIT: Forgot to mention that in the above, I believe what's implied is that Mimika's words can be taken as "I don't want us to be friends anymore", but it's entirely left up to interpretation. Actually, no, I don't know anymore, LOL. This is just what I think, but I could be entirely off the mark. Yuzumori might know what's going on.

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Yes, and i believe we recall that the ending and title of the play is still undecided. So it means either the ending will be the same with the way Touko choose to live her life or she makes the ending as her reference.
I think the ending of the play arc will be the closure for the issue Touko shoulder all this time.
...the most possible ending of the play is that the main character actually doesn't choose from the 3 option and instead making a new option that only belongs to her. Maybe.

If the title of the play is Yagate Kimi ni Naru, it will seriously angst me, it gives me the feeling that the series is coming to an end soon. I hope this arc (is this the play arc? I wonder if we'll see the play in this volume) isn't the last arc
Also reminds me how brilliant the title will probably be when we fully realise what it's suppose to mean. As of now, it's still pretty enigmatic. We see ways it links to characters and plot point, but i don't think we can say for sure yet.

Oh geez, I can totally see the title being that. In the most literal sense, it translates to "Eventually, I will become you" (not "yours" like the original translation of the title was), which heavily reflects Touko's desire to become her sister. Whether she wants to actually become her sister (i.e. she abandons the identity of "Nanami Touko" entirely) or just be like her (i.e. bears the same personality traits as her sister) still remains a mystery.

http://i.imgur.com/UUTWsEF.jpg (from a later chapter in WataMote)

^
Makes me think that Ucchi is discovering something.

EDIT: Posted the image because it looked like Ucchi made an "omigod lesbians?!" face after Tomoko's explanation.

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How many chapters is this in Japan? Cam we expect a steady flow? Really love the slow SoL-with-yuri stuff but sometimes how slowly it all comes out kinda kills it.

Around 21 chapters are out, I believe? I don't think it counts as a spoiler to say this, but it doesn't seem like it will end anytime soon. There are plenty of things left to cover in the story, in my opinion.

As for the yuri? Minor spoilers ahead:

Just a lot of blushing here and there, really, so it's mostly subtext for now. Nobara and Yukino are starting to learn more about each other and they're getting closer, but they're still just friends with each other. Of course they're still super cute around each other, but... (continued below)

Moderate spoilers below:

I seriously feel like there are more hints of romance between Ookami and Akai-senpai (who gets introduced a little later in the story), as well as Okisaki and Kinoshita. There's also your average "onee-sama!" relationship between Touyama and Okisaki, but it doesn't extend beyond that. BUT even those pairings are still veeeeeery subtexty, so don't expect too much.

As a person who usually dislikes things that are too slow or primarily SoL-with-yuri stuff, I think this series is a rare exception. Not sure why, but I personally think it's worth a read and a follow as well.

The vibes I get as of chapter 19 is that Tsukasa might come to understand or learn of Kotooka's feelings (perhaps towards her or just in general) in the coming chapters. With everyone going their separate ways (temporarily, most likely), it seems like it's a reflection "arc" for Tsukasa, so to speak. I don't know how many chapters are left for the series, but I daresay this arc is posing as the biggest obstacle for the trio's friendship thus far.

Kotooka reached a breaking point in chapter 19 because she kept all of these thoughts, feelings and secrets to herself, so she is currently stuck between the choice of keeping her friends or leaving them behind with her lips sealed without looking back. Meanwhile, Washio is also taking her sweet time to think about her feelings for Kotooka after their most recent fight. Personally, I think there is a chance she might learn about Tsukasa's feelings here as well, but maybe not.

Finally, Tsukasa is caught in the middle of everything. She wants the three of them to stay friends more than anything, but doesn't know how to get Kotooka to come around (since Tsukasa is siding with Washio in the latest argument). It'll be interesting to see how this will turn out.

Looking at the original text, it uses 好き. Looking up it's meaning, it could go either way, either Love or like in a non romantic sense. The thing to note though is that on page 11, Mimika uses the same word, even though it's pretty obvious she loves her...guess we are just gonna have to wait and see.

Yep, and that's probably why Ejima decided she wanted the chapter to end right there, LOL.

I'm gonna be a bit nitpicky with the translations here.

So I don't know why the fourth panel on the first page (where Shiori just says "...") is like that. She actually says 「満足したんで」, which is basically like "I'm already satisfied" (as in she finished what she set out to do) in response to Mimika, who asked if she was going home.

The first thinking bubble on page two should roughly say something like "Shii-chan seemed to be in a good mood" (「しーちゃん...... なんか機嫌よさげだったな」) rather than stop just at "Shii-chan."

Deleted the top two edits because it seems that Ejima Eri changed the text in the original, which means that the current translation is correct.

The third bubble on page three should say something more like "Somehow, she looks kind of upset...?" (「なんだかご立腹でいらっしゃる...?」) rather than "Why is she so upset...?" While this one might seem like a minor change, I personally prefer this because the original text doesn't sound like Mimika is automatically assuming that Yuzumori-san is angry.

Page four, here's what I think would've been more accurate:

Bubble #1: Even though you say you have lots of fun when you're with me... 「私といるとすごく楽しいって言ったのに、」
Bubble #2: It seems like you have more fun when you're around that girl. 「あの人といるほうが楽しそうだよね。」

Besides the accuracy, I think the above translation is less awkward sounding (rather than the current text, which uses "have" twice really close together in the same sentence) and Yuzumori's words are more general as opposed to being super specific.

Page seven, second panel, after Mimika thinks "Huh... what is this?", Mimika actually says she wants to get closer to Yuzumori little by little instead of her saying she wants to get to know her more. 「これからゆっくり少しずつ仲良くなれたら...」It's a minor change though.

Page twelve, last speech bubble - it should say "So I want to get to know you better," but again, a minor detail.

My translations may be a bit rough and nitpicky, so keep that in mind.

Well, we know hardly anything about Yuzumori's actual feelings and intentions are. But as to what she knows about romantic feelings, we can be fairly sure she has a grasp of the theory. She spends tons of time reading teen fashion mags, which can be expected to obsess over that stuff.

My post was actually referring to a Pastebin link of a translation that was posted earlier. Yuzumori-san said "Mimika, I love you" instead of "like", so I wanted to argue that Yuzumori-san's words don't necessarily mean "love" based on the Japanese text.

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@Seira - thank you for the summary. Just wanted to knowif it's still yuri in the latest chapter.

I liked the series, and i'm not even bothered by the guys in it. When i first heard about the 'siscon' brother, and about main girl having a boyfriend spoiled in /u/, i was wary about the series, but having read these, it wasn't that big of a deal for me, seems like the usual /u/ overreacted response over male presence.

Though of course, since this series was clearly yuri right from the get go, i was expecting that it ended in yuri, I dont care if it goes in polyamory ending, or just the two of them dating where one have to suffer. If it ended in the usual friendship resolution, or even worse, moved on their feeling by being het, the author needs to get kicked in the balls.

Favorite character so far would be Kotooka for me as well, because she was so flawed. I loved flawed character, because most of the time they're the one who feels more 'human' than the rest, so its easier to relate to such character.

For sure. It's still kind of yuri given the recent turn of events. I think the arc after chapter 19 is going to be super important, but it depends on how chapter 20 will turn out. Again, Tsukasa might end up learning a lot in this arc.

I just wonder how Morinaga's gonna fit the remainder of the romantic build-up with the ex-girlfriend drama that has yet to come all in one volume. To me, it feels like we won't see a lot of Hana x Hina after they become a couple though, because of the axing ;(

@Kal3d - Wish I could answer those questions, but I haven't read anything before between the latest released translated chapter and chapter 19. :( I haven't went out of my way to look for other raws either (since I never feel motivated to back track once I've read the ending/the most recent chapter).

Kotooka has her reasons for behaving so childishly. For one, she's probably like, 13-14 years old (if it's September by chapter 19, that is), haha. The poor girl has kept everything to herself out of fear that she will lose everything if she doesn't. It's been like this for what, the whole series now? Kotooka's thoughts are often so conflicting and I guess that really tires her out.

While Kotooka has feelings for Tsukasa, she clearly values their three-way friendship way more. Kotooka somehow seems to dislike herself for having these feelings for Tsukasa for this reason and it hurts me to see her suffer. :( It looks to me that Kotooka can't help but want to make Tsukasa happy, but she also doesn't want to do things that make her happy because her feelings might cause a wedge between the three of them. That's the first contradiction I observed.

The second one, to me, seems like Kotooka does not want to lose Tsukasa or be isolated by the both of her friends, but she also wants them to be happy together.

Finally, the third and most important one is that Kotooka says that she wants the three of them to remain friends, but she is also the one who is constantly doing little things that threaten to tear them all apart. Somehow, it feels like she is the one who has the least faith in the strength of their friendship.

I think because Kotooka is in a position of great responsibility and with her personality, she can really come off as a detestable character. I personally really like her, for what it's worth. I hope she gets a happy ending. :'(

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One thing I do know, is that I'm gonna have a hell of a time writing the translator's note, explaining the pun/wordplay...

I have never heard of Futakaku Kankei until now, but I'm assuming there's a looot of wordplay involved? :P

Soukaku Kankei is amazing, and I can't wait to get started on it! I believe it's actually called Futakaku Kankei, however. I'm not sure why it it's come to be called "Soukaku"... >.<

Just wanted to clarify that it is actually "Soukaku Kankei".

「双」 can most definitely be read as "sou". You are probably more accustomed to seeing the character being used in more common words like 「双子」 for "futago" or 「双葉」 for "Futaba" (the name).

I know that 双角 is generally read as "soukaku", however the wordplay here is combining 双子 with 三角関係, and more importantly, the furigana on the cover says Futakaku ... >_<

Edit: NVM my post either then. :p

You know what.

I think it should be Futakaku Kankei.
It's probably what Tachi wanted anyway ; ^ ;

Soukaku Kankei is amazing, and I can't wait to get started on it! I believe it's actually called Futakaku Kankei, however. I'm not sure why it it's come to be called "Soukaku"... >.<

Just wanted to clarify that it is actually "Soukaku Kankei".

「双」 can most definitely be read as "sou". You are probably more accustomed to seeing the character being used in more common words like 「双子」 for "futago" or 「双葉」 for "Futaba" (the name).

EDIT: Oh never mind, found the promotional image that says otherwise, LOL. Since that's the case, I'm assuming it was named as "Soukaku Kankei" on all of these sites before the proper reading was revealed or something.

Yeah, it should be Futakaku Kankei, but I guess it might too late to change the romanized title now if readers are already used to seeing Soukaku?

AWKWARD.

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After reading chapter 19...

Oh god, is it starting? Is the triangle crumbling now that Kotooka has finally snapped?! I haven't read the other chapters, but I feel like Nadeshiko is well aware of where Kotooka's feelings lie. After this chapter, I think with all of the alone time Tsukasa has to spend, she might figure out that Kotooka knows about everyone else's secrets OR Tsukasa's going to end up realizing that Kotooka actually likes her.

You can read japanese? Thats cool.

I saw images of chapter 19 and damn, it looks like things took a turn for the worst in the future. I tried to avoid /u/'s spoiler filled thread, but i couldn't help it since i saw that slap and got curious as to why she slapped Washio. It seems that a girl from another trio of friends is trying to get with one of Kotooka's exes so they go and ask her for his number or something, but she snaps at them since she was feeling jealous of the trio of girls who supported each other for the sake of their friend happiness. Washio told her that she went too far and somehow that granted a slap from Kotooka? I was very confused by that part, so i would like to know what exactly went down if you read it too

It also seems that Washio is now aware that she has been rejected by Kotooka, but refuses to let go of her feelings for her. Kotooka on the other hand, refuses to give into her feelings for Tsukasa, but she does things that contradict that, like when she tells the glasses kid that Tsukasa is already in love with someone else and basically tells glasses kid to back off of her

I still stand by my theory, that by the end of the series, Kotooka is going to be the one that gets Tsukasa and Washio together and all of the actions in future chapters have done nothing but convince me that this is where the story its going.

Hey, nice Yuzuriha profile picture. ;) I haven't gotten around to playing Aki-hen yet (too lazy, but I know how it ends at least since I shamelessly skipped to the end, LOL). I'm still patiently waiting for Fuyu-hen to come out.

Anyway...

I was going to make this brief, but I ended up writing the summary of the whole chapter (minus the last couple pages).

You're spot on. The three girls grouped up and the one with the short hair (Ogawa) has feelings for one of Kotooka's ex-boyfriends (the Muu-tan guy from the early chapters that you hear about - I think the one that she broke up with when she found out that Washio and Tsukasa were making homemade chocolates behind her back). However, Muu-tan (real last name is Mutou) rejected Ogawa since he supposedly still loves his ex-girlfriend, which is Kotooka. So now Ogawa's like "Please come see Mutou-kun one last time" and Kotooka's friends both want her to do it since they see nothing wrong with it, but Kotooka strongly objects to it.

Kotooka gets pissed and is all like, "What, is it my fault? Am I in the wrong?!" and so the problem here is that Tsukasa and Washio are essentially trying to pressure her (albeit lightly) into meeting this guy when she really doesn't want to do it, saying that she can't help if he still has feelings for her and wants to talk to her. Kotooka starts to wonder to herself why she is there listening to Ogawa's request in the first place and gets a little jealous about Ogawa and her relationship with her two friends. Kotooka kind of snaps here as she twirls her hair and just says "Nah, I'm not going to meet up with Muu-tan. Never. I mean, it's gross. Isn't this borderline stalking? Does he need to see me that badly? Impossible. That's sooo gross~"

And then Kotooka goes on to belittle Ogawa, even going as far as saying that her doing all of this for Muu-tan is the reason why no guys (such as Muu-tan) would like someone like her. Tsukasa's like, "Kotooka, you've said way too mu-" as Ogawa bursts into tears. Ogawa's friend shoves Kotooka away, Washio catches her ever-so-valiantly (this is important) and the Ogawa crew takes their leave but not before calling Kotooka "the worst".

At this point, Washio suggests that Kotooka should go apologize to Ogawa for going way too far. Here's a super brief translation of what they said to each other, actually:

Washio: I think you should apologize to Ogawa.
Kotooka: What? Why should I?!
Washio: You made her cry, didn't you?
Kotooka: So what!? You want me to listen to what they said and meet up with Muu-tan?!
Washio: That's just between you two. You are free to do whatever you want with him. However, about Ogawa... You went too far, Kotooka.
Kotooka: You realize they called me all sorts of names, don't you?!
Washio: Ogawa never said anything to you. You should be blaming her friends for that.
Kotooka: I mean, those guys were annoying!! They made me sound like the bad guy!
Washio: Aren't you the bad guy right now? If you don't want to do it that badly, then I'll apologize on your behalf!
Kotooka (gritting teeth, thinking to herself): Why... Just a while ago (referring to Washio's ever-so-valiant catch), and at that time (referring to another time in the past where Washio protected her), and even back then... (ditto) ... Why are you trying to make me like you?!
Kotooka (to herself): At our sleepover recently, we had so much fun together! That kind of feeling (of friendship, I would assume) is all I want! Why don't you get it? Why don't you realize how I feel?!
Kotooka: Nadeshiko... You're so annoying.

And then Kotooka goes on this massive rant about how she hates Washio's "I'm always right" attitude, how Washio always tries to be cool and how Washio takes her for an idiot (like how Washio never really pays much attention when Kotooka used to talk about her boyfriends). Kotooka calls her annoying again, but Washio plays it cool and just tells her to calm down. This pisses off Kotooka even more as she asks why Washio never talks back/stands up for herself and Washio just says she doesn't wanna stoop down to Kotooka's level because she thinks it's stupid. Kotooka slaps her right after this.

Washio runs away crying, Tsukasa tries to tell Kotooka she went too far, which pisses Kotooka off again because she feels like she's being isolated by Tsukasa and Washio. Kotooka runs away crying and Tsukasa's like "W-what's gotten into them?"

At school, Tsukasa realizes their fight was serious business (jeez, she's slow) when she tries to bring them together, but Kotooka and Washio both leave. At this point, Tsukasa debates if she should run after Washio or Kotooka, and she ends up picking the latter because Tsukasa is puzzled at Kotooka's words (before Kotooka left, she referred to "those two people", but I don't know who she's talking about). They talk a bit, Kotooka insists she won't apologize to Washio, and when Tsukasa asks about what she said yesterday, Kotooka gets mad yet again and runs away from Tsukasa.

Kotooka pretends to be fine and runs off to some new group of friends for like, home ec, and Tsukasa is left wondering what to do.

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After reading chapter 19...

Oh god, is it starting? Is the triangle crumbling now that Kotooka has finally snapped?! I haven't read the other chapters, but I feel like Nadeshiko is well aware of where Kotooka's feelings lie. After this chapter, I think with all of the alone time Tsukasa has to spend, she might figure out that Kotooka knows about everyone else's secrets OR Tsukasa's going to end up realizing that Kotooka actually likes her.

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Going to spoiler tag this just in case... regarding chapter 10.

So I know Yuzumori-san was blushing for a bit here, but I'm not convinced she loves Mimika romantically. I feel like the last line should say "like" instead of "love", but it also comes down to how you interpret the scene, because I can accept that Mimika's 「好き」 means "love" rather than "like" since we know she's been building up romantic feelings for her. However, we can't be 100% sure that Yuzumori's jealousy is out of those same romantic feelings or not. She could merely dislike the idea that Mimika has other friends she is closer with than Yuzumori. It's not uncommon, and definitely plausible because Yuzumori is so young and also has no other friends.

Although I've been in support of Mimika's love up until now (I mean, only because it's a work of fiction), now it's coming down to what Yuzumori, a 9-10 year old, knows about romantic feelings towards another person.

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The thing that most disappointed me about the end was that she never got the courage to punch her sister in the face!

That would've been so satisfying to see.

pg 10, "I wonder if you have you some spare time later?" (second "you" needs to be deleted)

Well, that is a matter of interpretation... It is a valid way of speaking in certain dialects. Just effect a southern belle accent when saying the line and it sounds fine. Alternately, use Y'all have some spare time...

I knew it I saw this somewhere.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4758075557

Hmmm... the title there is: ゆたさんはままならない! which is Yuta-san wa mamanaranai! Which seems to roughly translate to: Yuta-san will not be left!

So... what's the deal with the "Song about a piece of Junk" title?

"Yuta-san will not be left!" seems pretty descriptive and accurate. (Maybe Yuta-san cannot be shaken. Yuta-san cannot be avoided.)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Amazon link you have there is the tankoubon version of this series. Looks like the title 「ポンコツの歌」was used as the title when it first debuted on Pixiv. Basically,「ポンコツの歌」came first before it was released as a volume, but now it SHOULD be named 「ゆたさんはままならない！」

I think Kyousuke's character is being used to force Tsukasa into action and as a result, pushes Kotooka towards some sort of edge, which would only make Washio worry for her even more. He's... basically there just to get some sort of plot rolling along, in my opinion. I don't mind him being there because he's indirectly helping Tsukasa grow and figure out her own feelings.

Whoa, I remember reading this a couple years ago. So weird to see this thread on the forum :')