Dynasty Cafe

I've heard people talk before about taking arguments and discussions to the "Cafe." But I don't know where it is.
I'm kind of a newbie in this forum...
Can someone give me a link?

Here you go.

Thanks! :-D

Dynasty Cafe

I've heard people talk before about taking arguments and discussions to the "Cafe." But I don't know where it is.
I'm kind of a newbie in this forum...
Can someone give me a link?

No. It'd be an incredibly difficult life with no guarantee that it'd work out for them. Read what I wrote above if you want my reasoning. Basically, they're going to be illegal immigrants and fugitives hiding in a country where they don't know a single other person or speak the native language. Shio would be much better off in a Japanese orphanage.

When you bet to win, you risk to lose.
That's an universal law.
When you try to achieve something, there's always a risk of failure.
Things are never entirely under your control.
That's because, in life, there's always a risk of shit happening.

That's why it's kind of pointless to tell someone who's betting big in order to win big that they risk to lose. They already know. Instead, you should applaud their courage and cheer for them. After all, most people in the world tend to avoid risks whenever they can, even if that means wasting any chance they could have had to get the things they really want.

In this case, there are risks in living as illegal immigrants in a foreign country where they'll have to speak English, not Japanese. But it can be done. You say it'd be better to send Shio to an orphanage, but do you know orphanages have always been pedophile magnets? There's a real risk that Shio would end up in the newspapers as part of a story about children raped by their caretakers. In all honesty, I much prefer having her at Satou's side and knowing she will be well protected. Life out of Japan won't be easy, but I'm sure they can manage. After all, if a couple million fellas are living as illegal immigrants in the USA and doing just fine, hell, Satou and her sweetie can do it too.

On a completely different note from the latest debate...

I read the other day a short oneshot manga named Jewels, about the life of two girls in love. This manga, in only a few pages, told us the story of how they were childhood friends, then classmates through grade and mid school; how they started dating in high school, and continued all through college; how they came out to their supporting friends, and started living together after college; how they got married, with the blessing of their families; and, finally, how they happily stayed together for the rest of their lives (a couple of panels show them as really old grannies still loving each other and living together). Nothing else happens: the story is made only of vignettes of their daily lives, happy and waffy, from childhood to old age. The reactions of the readers were mostly positive (pretty much everyone loved it) but there were also negative comments on the lack of conflict. "This worked only because it was so short," they said, "but it wouldn't do for a long series." A few choice excerpts:

The most heartwarming about this story is the total lack of angst. It can only work for a short story though.

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You could have the exact same story elements in a series, though. There would need to be added conflict of course.

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What we have here would be a framework in a longer piece, tonnes of space to fit in all the little, and sometimes big, things a person, or a couple, faces in their lives.

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It would need to make the characters miserable for the sake of keeping things "interesting".

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That could easily arise out of their careers, personal conflicts with others, maybe friends or coworkers who don't accept them, etc.

LMAO ^^
After 56 chapters of happy, conflict-free SakuKasu bliss, I can only shake my head at the naiveté of those comments. If I ever write an article about A Room for Two, I will begin with the words journalists of old liked to use to start a story about some feat of amazing prowess: "'It can't be done!' they all said."

And then I will tell how, hot patootie, bless my soul, it was done!!!

If at this point isn't clear to you Shio is better with Satou than with anyone else, you need to read the story again.

You really think that? Let me rephrase the question: if this scenario played out in real life exactly as described, would you still feel that way?

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But it didn't.
You can't tell reality from fiction?

Or are you merely using the fact that this is just a manga to rationalize it that way?

Merely???
Like, if someone writes a manga about a serial murderer you'd want the author tried for serial murder? Because the fact that it's only a fiction of paper and pixels is merely a detail with no relevance whatsoever?

Oh man, I got my answer to the question before. You really can't.

If part of the debt has been repaid, can you no longer forgive the rest?

Like parole?
But when they say a man "has paid his debt to society" they usually mean he has served the sentence...

How many zeros are in a bajillion, anyway?

You mean it as a joke... but, couple of years ago, A. Stiefelmann, from the math department at the University of Hamburg, came with a serious answer to your question.

Let’s imagine bajillion is an actual number name.

Let’s remember how the names of large numbers are defined in the English language. First comes a number N in Latin, then an -illion suffix is added, for the resulting number having a 1 followed by 3N+3 zeros.

Example: a quadrillion ("quatuor" in Latin is four) has 3*4 + 3 zeros, that is, 15 zeros:
1 000 000 000 000 000

Now, there is no Latin number named baj or baji. But what if we drop the “Latin” requirement? Is there any language where baji is a number?

Yes, there is one: Chinese. And just as expected, it’s a ridiculously large number. Bā 八 is eight. Jí 极 is actually used for 10⁴⁸ in Buddhist texts (for some reason Eastern religions love extremely large numbers). That would make bājí 八极 equal to 8*10⁴⁸. The number of zeros in a bajillion is then (in English) three times this number plus three - that is 2.4*10⁴⁹ + 3, in other words, you have to write a 1 followed by

24 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 003

zeros. And that's how many zeros there are in a bajillion!

In an English bajillion, that is. In German and Spanish, the formula is different. From a number N in Latin, with an -illion suffix added, you get a number made from a 1 followed, not by 3N+3 zeros, but by 6N zeros, making the resulting number considerably higher.

If you aren’t willing to forgive people, they’ll never change.

We can do both. She deserved her punishment for the bullying, and she only changed because of this. But we can also forgive her now, seeing how she truly doesn't do such things anymore.

Um, no. That's not how it works. You can demand payment for a debt or you can forgive the debt, but not both.

A complex Lesbian Initiatic ritual which includes steps such as: a declaration of lesbian faith; explicitly depicted lesbian sex; swearing off men forever; announcing publicly that they are "different" from every(het/bi/trans)one else; and, nonmandatory but recommended, cutting off ties with most of the people they used to know and, from then on, restricting their friendships to a small ghetto of fellow believers who share their faith.

You forgot: Pain and suffering! GL girls must be hated by their friends, rejected by their families, lose their jobs, be expelled from school, etc. etc. It's not the real Lesbian Experience (tm) if it's not a huge ordeal!

Damn Nene, you sure are a tsundere

Yes. Hell, yes. She's like a bipolar tsundere: instead of going through long periods of depression followed by long periods of manic high, she goes through long periods of dere followed by long periods of tsun. Right now, she's at the highest point of tsuntsun.
It's kind of frustrating, but, on the plus side, Amane said she is willing to wait forever for Nene to return to her... so she will still be around when Nene's next period of dere hits, and then she will reap the rewards of her patience. ;-)

love that mom

Totally, she's so cool with her lesbian daughter and even makes a point to be supportive and friendly towards her daughter's girlfriend.

Also: thanks to her we found the answer to an age-old mystery: what happens when you facefault on a flight of stairs?? Answer: you skid down all the way to the bottom, as if on a playground slide, while your gf watches in bafflement.

Good, it didn't drag out too long.

It's one of the good points in this manga, conflicts and misunderstandings never drag long. Usually they are fixed same chapter, or in the next one.

These two...

are USELESS.

In fact...
The universe itself agrees with you.

This panel confirms it:

A winner at yuri.

A winner at life.

A sure winner at this year's National HighSchool Photography Award.

Two girls in love sucking on the same popsicle? Made of WIN.

Fortune telling is fake.

The fortune teller pretends to divine things about you through omens or magic, but in reality they only tell you the things they already know or have guessed. Eg, if they notice a wedding band in your ring finger, they may start talking about your marriage and your spouse, and then go on from there by fishing tidbits of info in your reactions and replies.

Why did I mention this? Cause this chapter offers a good example. Hino pretends to read Koguma's palms, and then tells her: "Hm, yeah, I see in these lines that you are... a total masochist!"

ROTFLMAO x 10000

Talk about some divination.
Thank goodness Koguma didn't pay money for that...

Yeah, in a manga marketed as yuri a het ending is a bad ending, there's even a term for it, queer baiting.

^ Words of gold.
I read all the messages so far and still can't understand what the big fight is about... well, leaving aside that some Orestes person is trolling left and right for no graspable reason, and making many people very angry.
I vaguely got that some of you don't like the little brother character, tho for the life of me can't figure why, he's a sweetums. He reminds me of the blonde kid in Majorian. Echoing someone who wrote before, he's so cute and feminine he's probably giving gay crushes to all the boys in his class... oh wait, scratch probably, we already meet two and wow, are they gay for him!
It's funny that this manga was uploaded at the same time as the new chapters of Social Anxiety vs Yuri because onee-chan had the same effect on Saki than Hikage has on every girl she meets. And is about as likely to score. If Saki's interest in onee-chan is sexual, oboy, she has her work cut for herself.

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I thought the store clerk was the cutest contender. She offered a life-time guarantee.

Yeah, two minutes after meeting her for the 1st time. How did the old joke go?
Question: What does a lesbian bring on a second date?
Answer: A U-Haul.
This one didn't wait for the 2d time, lmao.

Btw, if other gurls were guys instead we would have a lot of complaints about men being predators.

What a thoroughly pointless, useless comment.

Kinda sad she has her anxiety from a misunderstanding with her childhood friend. Hope she clears it up sometime.

I'm willing to bet money that it actually went like this:

Friend: "I don't want to be friends with you. I want us to be lovers!"
Hikage (who doesn't know what "lover" is): "What!? NO! I wanna be friends!"
Friend: "I've been rejected! Waaah!" (runs away crying)

Hikage probably only remembers the part about not wanting to be friends because it was the part that shocked her and really mattered to her. The other stuff was too confusing and she didn't get the meaning of it, so it didn't really stick in her memory.

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Lol, chapter 13, huh? No wonder.
Here's hoping the problem will be fixed soon. I adore this series. Forbidden love stories are the best!

Nikaidou and Tadokoro don't have access to that info.

I think you're underestimating Nikaidou.

For sure. If Kirigaya actually is faking her repentance, that poses a threat not to Tadokoro, Nikaidou, or to their relationship, but to her own continued survival.

That's what we thought before, when Nikaidou caught Kirigaya bullying Tadokoro. "She's dead!" "She's history!" "RIP Kirigaya!" "Goodbye, bitch, nobody will miss you!"

Look what happened.

Kirigaya is terrified of the idea of being hated by Nikaidou, remember? The only reason she didn't already suffer the (from her PoV) absolute worst-case scenario of being utterly shunned by the latter is because Tadokoro is the only hope that descended in this world that is an absolute existence and the cutest and most precious angel.

She'd have to be suicidally stupid to try anything that risks annulling that stay of emotional execution.

But she won't. We know she won't try anything because the omniscient narrator said so. Remember? It's canon: her repentance is sincere.

You guys, discussing what will happen if she breaks her promise is a waste of time. What will happen? Will she get a beating this time? Or will she cry a little and be forgiven again at Tadokoro's request? It's pointless talk cause it won't happen: Kirigaya already saw the light and was redeemed. We know it as canon fact.

My point is that, unlike us, the MCs have no way of knowing. They can't read minds or hear the Word of God. (Superwoman jokes aside, the way they interacted during their flirting-but-not-yet-dating period makes it obvious.) I'm okay with Nikaidou taking back her declaration of despise and agreeing to "not hate" Kirigaya (cause Tadokoro would be sad otherwise, so she has no choice) but... befriending Kirigaya?? That's completely unnecessary and going way too far.

There's one thing in this development that bothers me.

Kirigaya is guilt-ridden. We know that. We know because the omniscient narrator told us. The omniscient narrator explained Kirigaya's feelings in detail, and even revealed to us flashes of her thoughts and mental images. That's why we know for sure that she is sincerely remorseful and repentant and apologetic and shit.

But it is only us, the readers, who hear the voice of the omniscient narrator. Nikaidou and Tadokoro don't have access to that info. All they know is that Kirigaya is bawling and saying she's sorry. And that's the oldest trick in the bully's book. Every bully in the world knows that, when the time comes to pay the piper, when karmic retribution rears its ugly head, the right strategy is to cry a river, pretend to be repentant and beg for forgiveness. It's a good, time-tested method to save the bullies from having to bear the consequences of their actions. In fact, this chapter just gave us a fine example: Kirigaya demonstrated exactly how the method works.

This is what bothers me. The MCs have no way of telling whether Kirigaya is sincere or just a dirty little hypocrite who's performing the script every bully knows to follow in these cases. Unlike us, they cannot read the exposition dished up by the omniscient narrator. And yet they forgive her, just like that, and even want to be friends. The idea that it might be a trick doesn't even cross their minds. Fiction or not, they should know better than to trust so easily someone like Kirigaya.

Reading this feels like reading a deviantart or tumblr fanfic. Tadakoro is the author self insert to the point where she's also an artist and Nikaidou is the author's "ideal lover" which is a bland mary sue that solves all of Tadakoro's (the author's) problems simply by existing. I'm 99% sure that the author was also bullied during highschool days and this 'bully saga' is her imagining how better her life would be if a 'Nikaidou' exists back then to stop her bullying problem (and all her other problems).

Wow, you're so smart.

I guess the 200+ readers who have already posted 48 pages of messages on this topic were also bullied during our highschool days and read this manga for the masturbatory escapism. Sucks to be us.

PS: you could at least try to get right the name of the MC. I mean, it's also the name of the series, for gossake. It's right there before your eyes.

The name of this doujin reminds me of the opening of Excel Saga.

♪ Sore wa ai ja nai~~......... ♫
♪ Ai wa sore ja nai~~......... ♫

Sakurako wants to be the birthgiver.

That was what I was getting at. It's not Kasumi who is supposed to get preggars, but Saku.

Oh so that was your point? Ok. I thought it was about the number of previous mention times.

Flandre x Marisa, Action, Comedy, but no Yuri tag!!?
My shipper soul is not pleased.

Quite a nice story - tho im not a big fan of overly monster like monster girls- I proffer the type like cat girls with just ears and tail different.

I feel you. But with tags like Big breasts, Lots of kissing and Lots of sex, I'm so reading this! I'm willing to overlook the "monster girl" side of it.

Does the title mean its set in south America somewhere?

If we could get a better look at the outdoors, it would be easier to tell...