What was the point of this story? Like, what was it about? I feel like I might be coming off as a bit harsh, the catgirl is super cute, I not saying she isn't, but I'm not sure what the story is trying to do.

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I'd like to point out that at the end they're wearing inverted colours.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_dream_of_spring_on_a_tatami_mat#31

This has been my contribution to this discussion.

You do you, Babe.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_sheep_princess_in_wolfs_clothing_ch13#1
Look at the angle her head is at! Is she part owl???

Reiko: "I'm the best at sex." Cool, Babe. Absolutely.

she was really enthusiastic about that water, wasn't she? I understand people get excited by all sorts of things, but does that really do it for her?

Do you think it counts as literal watersports?

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Well, that's a twist.

People who fight over whether a character is a top or bottom always annoys me so much because it’s just ascribing random personality traits to sex positions, and acting like top and bottom are these two immutable and incompatible identities. And it bleeds into real life too, where some people just lay down and expect someone else to do all the work for them becuase “they’re a bottom” or people getting insulted for not “acting like a top”

Any of yall seen that screenshot of a grindr convo where someone actually said “ew, tops don’t use exclamation points, they’re supposed to be dark and brooding”

Seriously, it's just a weird reinvention of gender roles based on something that's somehow even less representative of your personality than gender. Enjoying anal doesn't mean you're an "uwu soft boy cinnamom roll uwu" or whatever the fuck it means you like taking it in the ass.

"uwu power bottom jam donut uwu"

i wonder if any fights over otps ever get this serious

BL fandoms tend to fight over who's the bottom and who's top in a relationship like this, it's very much real.

Seriously though, OTP order fights are scary. I've seen fandoms war within themselves over this, it was both hilarious and terrifying to watch.

However, I just noticed that BL fangirls fight about this much more than GL and het.

I haven't read much, so maybe I'm just ill-informed, but BL seems... hyper heteronormative. Like, even Yuri isn't entirely free from heteronormativity - consider the rarity of butch/butch pairings - but even with butch/femme pairings, which most closely resemble heterosexual relationships, the characters have more freedom to make up for eachother's short comings in a more organic manner, rather than following some script - one character being The Man and the other being The Woman. One character is more masculine than the other, sure, but both of them are girls/women, and the text is clear on that fact.

Yeah this is one of those "This is a more realistic interpretation of a yandere" which is... so much less fun than a zany cartoon yandere

Yeah, the closer a character's behaviour is to like mundane real world behaviour the more likely I am to feel the same way about them as I would a real person which in this case means I feel repulsed and like I don't want to read about this character anymore. Terrible people need to be terrible in an outlandish fashion for me to suspend my disbelief enough to like them.

They need to be outlandish, or they need to have earnt some empathy, y'know? Like, they're a horrible person, but I understand why they are that way, or why they're doing something horrible. They need to be outlandish, or relatable.

Why is no one talking about how scary Toba's eyes are throughout this whole thing?

I'm completely fucking wasted rn. Anyone care to explain to me why's blond girl bad to me? She seems kinda fine just in love with a gold digger

Having sex with someone shitfaced drunk, without any pre-existing consent, a virgin no less, is considered pretty rapey these days.

That's not even a little rapey, it's straight up rape in any real world context, but it's a manga, a one shot at that so it definitely could be worse, especially from Kodama.

Also, I think some of y'all are being too kind to this Ayaka, her actions and attitude may be understandable, but that doesn't make them okay.

To be fair, she does seem to have sobered up by the time they arrived at her place.

I do think Mitsuki's opinion changes somewhat by the end. Look at how she's saying it, with a big grin on her face. Even if she still thinks that, the emotions surrounding it are different. Some of her disgust towards Ayaka was probably jealousy: she didn't like seeing the woman she loved chasing after men. Now that she knows that Ayaka wasn't having sex with them (and now that she herself has taken Ayaka's virginity), she's no longer jealous. And maybe it's also her way of saying that she understands what kind of person Ayaka is better, and realizes that's part of what she loves about her? It is the first time she's actually said it out loud to Ayaka, instead of just thinking it to herself. It's a very strange thing to say to the person you love after your first time having sex. But it does feel like a very fitting ending to this story.

I also wonder about that part where Mitsuki lies to her. I do think Ayaka is upset mainly for the reason I said before, but maybe this is also mean to indicate that, consciously or not, Ayaka is aware of Mituski's feelings and returns them? There was a lot of emphasis on the way Ayaka keeps touching Mitsuki leading up to this. So perhaps she wanted to hear Mitsuki say it, and was disappointed when she lied instead.

As for whether it's rape, I personally think that the art and story indicate that Ayaka is into it? My interpretation is that she's blushing partly out of shock, partly because she's embarrassed at revealing that she's actually a virgin despite her posturing, and partly because she's turned on. I think especially her expression on page 245 indicates that she's into it by that point. But the whole situation definitely feels more than a little rapey. And the part where they actually get undressed and have sex is left to the imagination, so maybe it's meant to be ambiguous?

I do think Kodama made Ayaka a little bit more twisted than what you've written so far suggests. It's kinda subtle, but it's certainly there. On page 244 Ayaka says "Seeing how many I can string along without having sex is a way to prove my skill...", which is kinda messed up? She's not just stringing along 17 guys because it's good to cast a wide net and have options, she's an overachiever who's putting in 110%. She is actually doing it because she derives a kind of... academic pleasure? From her success.

On another note, this oneshot reminds me of a song by KiNG MALA called "She calls me daddy". It may as well be a fanfiction continuation of this story.

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