Fuck dude the mom chapters weren't a lot but it's super relatable and human. Someone else said that this series has a way of taking tried and true or even cliched concepts but somehow conveying it in a fresh and really relatable way and I agree completely. I think the final chapter is a bit too short and neat, it could've used a few more pages especially the final confession but not a whole chapter. I also think the lightheartedness in the "Yay we can communicate" scenes undercuts the emotion a bit too much.

I just realized that the only explicitly gay character is dead

Satsuki rn is that "the world is an unjust and cruel place, OMG Akira" meme

Author really likes to show abrupt shifts in tone through exaggerated character expressions. It's charming once you get used to it but at first it feels like the characters are reacting to a tragic news every few pages.

If that's how you feel about it you are welcome to that, but from my perspective I think anyone should be allowed to lie about their gender, or rather than say lie, I don't think anyone has a right to demand to know your gender.

It's not a question of "rights." Mitsuki has obviously not committed a literal crime. What she's done is (a) deliberately misled another person (b) in a way she knew, or should've known, would cause them great pain if they found out (as we saw happen in this very chapter) (c) purely in order to preserve this pseudo-friendship pseudo-romance thing she had going on with her. What precise information Aya had a "right" to know about is irrelevant. Mitsuki hurt her. She did a mean thing. She should apologize! (And I'm sure she will.) And that's all I have to say about this.

If you take it upon yourself to make assumptions about me and cause yourself some emotional, mental, or other harm by doing so, it is not my obligation to apologize for your self-harm caused by your assumptions. It is not a "mean thing" done to others by not correcting their assumptions. Especially if you don't know if you'll be safe if you do so. The only person responsible for the thoughts and assumptions you come up with in your head is you. So the only person who needs to apologize for making assumptions is the one who made them, not the one they were made about.

This is ridiculous. Everybody makes assumptions constantly in everyday life and we require them to function. When I go to McDonald's, I assume the guy behind the register wearing a uniform is the cashier and is gonna take my order, nobody in the history of ever has asked that guy, "Hey sorry, are you the cashier?"

Sorry to say but 99% of the time assuming someone's gender works fine IRL and people do it constantly. Even if someone isn't gender conforming, they must be aware of this. Even the term non-binary in it implies the existence of the binary. Mitsuki is not wrong because she's not disclosing her gender, she's wrong because she knows that Oosawa thinks that she's a dude and is deliberately letting her keep thinking that she is one for her own benefit.

Chapter felt shorter than usual. Anyway, I don't think any amount of backstory will save prez as an antagonist really. He just doesn't have that spark you know? He feels more like a nuisance than an actual threat even after the Zeus kill.

Man if they had made someone like Tokiko as the antagonist it would be super awesome. I think someone who is very unempathetic and almost has zero regard for human life is a more compelling foil to Satsuki. The opposite of love is indifference or something along those lines. Her curse would be a better way to handwave the amount of potential deaths than the prez's Wile E. Coyote plans. Satsuki's ideology would still be challenged, now she has a foe who is causing all these deaths but is not really culpable and at the same time completely indifferent to the impact she has to those around her. What does Satsuki do to stop this? Can she just follow the Tokiko around for the rest of her life or will she finally break and kill her even though Tokiko isn't even guilty? She can't even be sure that it actually is Tokiko that's causing all the deaths.

Right now Satsuki's main challenge is outsmarting the prez. The story tries to present it as an ideological battle but really it doesn't work. The prez's ideology can work in concept as a foil to hers but the way he implements it is absurd and completely untenable. If he were to have his way, it's more likely the school would be shut down instead or he'll get caught setting up a piano to fall on someone or something.

Oh and the VP is dying 100%, calling it now. This chapter is an obvious death flag. Villain's stoic sidekick gets a tragic backstory chapter? She dead.

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The virgin prez taking his first life in chapter 51 vs the chad Tokiko "killing" 3 members of her family in the first chapter

Someone please make that AU about Tokiko amd Natsuki.

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Seems like it's going to be the first death Satsuki fails to prevent, at least the first one on screen/page. If it is, it would be devastating for her especially after they connected on some level. Man, I didn't really hate the prez before, only found him kinda annoying, but this is some next level evil shit. How are you going to even justify this one? You're literally the one who manipulated her into almost killing someone, now she's a mess and would probably be mentally scarred for life if you had succeeded. Seems to me that under his logic the prez and his minion probably deserve to die the most.

Ya'll are worrying way too much about this. It's a cute story with great art. Not exactly earth shattering or a philosophical treatise on gay relationships. What does it matter wether or not it's going to be romance, explicit, etc. If it's good, it's good. What matters is Mitsuki better tell her soon, the anticipations is too much.

What I dislike about different mediums dealing with curses/the supernatural is there's almost never a satisfying conclusion. Neither we the readers or the characters get an explanation as to the reason any of this happened. Even their hypothesis doesn't make any sense since being resuscitated is pretty common. I can never enjoy these types of stories when so much is left unnecessary unanswered. I'd give this a 5.5/10

The best way imo is to not try too hard. Explain some things or hint at others amd leave the rest for the audience to interpret. Trying to explain everything is almost always going to create more problems, which is why I think the occult researchers aspect of this story could've been left out. Just let the detectives find out for themselves and speculate alongside the readers.

I actually just noticed the reason the curse tried to take Natsuki twice. The first was because Tokiko decided to stop being friends with her and the second was when she decided she wanted to be with her forever.

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Tokiko is definitely the most interesting part of this series. I don't think the final explanations resolved everything but I don't know if it needed to, it was more a thematic explanation than a narrative one. Maybe the point was that there can't be a definitive explanation? In a way it loops back to what Tokiko said about grief is being selfish for the living and not the dead, maybe trying to make sense of all this is just another version of that. I actually do like the final talk between the 3 survivors outside of them trying to explain the curse.

The author's art definitely improved a lot in Satsuki. I enjoyed it but I don't know if I would have gone past the first few chapters if I wasn't already interested in the author because of Satsuki (imagine a world where Tokiko's the antagonist of that series and not that wimpy ass hypocrite, way more interesting).The final chapters with Tokiko and the extras were definitely my favourite, anything that showed Tokiko's character more really but I do think there wasn't enough of it. Maybe I'm just biased and wamt more of her and Natsuki. Since people above were doing numbers, 6/10 closer to a 7 than a 5. Thank you for translating and uploading.

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This might sounds a very asshole answer, but the parents should teach their child better if they don't want them dead, like "Son, stop bullying people, you don't know what type of enemy you will make." Plus, if your son are sociopath, that would be hard too, cause he/she likely to be target by his/her victim. If your son psychopath, rip.

This is absolutely nonsensical, most of your comments are actually. Maybe it's because you have a hard time getting your point across in English but not only is it an absurd moral framework it is also a ridiculous comparison to the characters in the story.

^What do you mean lol it was finished

The prez's moral grandstanding is really unconvincing. It's not even that he's annoying to me but his logic falls apart so easily. Let's say Seo or Miho has family that loved them, has he ever seen the grief of a parent losing a child? Wouldn't someone who caused such grief be a worse person than either of them and therefore be better off dead? Unless he and his little minion has a suicide pact after their job is done I guess. It would make more sense (and be more compelling) if he were killing people who were going to cause another's death. That's an even bigger dillemma for Satsuki and challenges her actions directly. I don't think that Satsuki's worldview is perfect or anything but at least she's honest with its shortcomings and consistent. It's fine that the antagonist is a hypocrite but I iust can't believe that he's so charismatic and convincing that he can DESTROY SATSUKI WITH FACTS AND LOGIC everytime they talk when his entire worldview falls apart with a simple question.

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Sequel pls

I've heard when a suicidal person decides to commit suicide sometimes they might seem happy in the short time they have left, is this a myth or is it true? I wonder if this is what happened to Tokiko or if she was lying to herself about being happy. That final bonus chapter is gonna hurt.

I've heard this myth too, that when a suicidal person decides to, they think they will feel relief from the pain they have been experiencing. I don't know how true this myth of seeming happy is, but Tokiko's statements seem similar to this sentiment. Like she doesn't have to deal with not being accepted or understood anymore.

My own take is that Tokiko has always been quick to latch onto acting how the people she respects think she should act, which is maybe why she feels so freed. Her friend from the orphanage tells her to be happy, she tries to be "happy" at all times. Her father tells her to prioritize herself and she decides to let him die so he is no longer her priority. Tokiko's sister tells her not to blame herself and she throws herself into the serial killer case so she feels like she is not at fault. And Natsuki had been the only one successful to get her out of some of those flawed conclusions.

This curse is awful.

Damn I never caught that about her friend from the orphanage. That's a really plausible reasom why she feels the need to be happy "no matter what."

I've heard when a suicidal person decides to commit suicide sometimes they might seem happy in the short time they have left, is this a myth or is it true? I wonder if this is what happened to Tokiko or if she was lying to herself about being happy. That final bonus chapter is gonna hurt.

I feel like that’s the point though. None of the other deaths have been special so far — it’s used to show that the curse doesn’t differentiate. Tokiko doesn’t get to choose just because it was her friend; that would diminish the power of the curse and not succeed in the manga’s goal of critiquing Tokiko’s outlook on life. Also, the abruptness only makes it more impactful IMO.

Problem is that this kills all the tension out of the story. She was the last person that the MC cared about and by extension the audience. Now there is nothing, no one to root for to survive.

Nah there's only a few chapters left so there's still how Tokiko will react, the (probably) subsequent implosion which will cause the rest of the cast to die, the reveal of what's causing all the death, and what her ultimate fate is plus epilogue.

Exactly, all that is left is snuff. And while I'm sure there are some people who find that interesting, I don't.

I mean not really? I'm sure I'm not the only one invested in Tokiko and her fate or the reason for the death around her. You said that there is no tension left for the audience because there's "no one left to root to survive" but I don't think that's the only reason tension or interest could exist. Boiling it down to a single reason, especially a reason like that, seems like a really shallow way to read the series.

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I feel like that’s the point though. None of the other deaths have been special so far — it’s used to show that the curse doesn’t differentiate. Tokiko doesn’t get to choose just because it was her friend; that would diminish the power of the curse and not succeed in the manga’s goal of critiquing Tokiko’s outlook on life. Also, the abruptness only makes it more impactful IMO.

Problem is that this kills all the tension out of the story. She was the last person that the MC cared about and by extension the audience. Now there is nothing, no one to root for to survive.

Nah there's only a few chapters left so there's still how Tokiko will react, the (probably) subsequent implosion which will cause the rest of the cast to die, the reveal of what's causing all the death, and what her ultimate fate is plus epilogue.

Is it just me or is that first page of chapter 29 extremely gay? There's something similar in Liar Satsuki too, the kind of "I want to be with you forever" vibes that feel very homosexual

Satsuki is more overtly gay but yeah the yuri seeds were definitely already planted in this series.

no

No

First of all, I'd suggest basing judgments on what school they're in on, you know, what they actually say, not on how tall you imagine they should be. Second of all, the average 17-year-old girl in Japan is 5'1". This is the weirdest and most baseless thing to complain about.

Japanese girls are on average about an inch shorter than their Western counterparts and those statistics are probably outdated. And that's a mean average. Based upon statistical distribution there should be a number of girls that are near the mc's height. It's a poorly executed conceit by the aurhor.

I know it's been a while but you're talking out of your ass mungo. Don't skip Statistics kids.

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