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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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DAMN

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joined Sep 6, 2018

hell yeah i've been in the mood for this kind of story, lets gooo. we love "straight girl" conversion stories as a tasty treat every now and then. that last part where here eyes are all hazy was super hot too, im really looking forward to more of this series.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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YESSS GIVE ME MORE EXTRAVERSE YURI

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

SO HOOOOOOT

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Ahhh, yeah, I’m so happy to see this! Was always particularly fond of Miwa, and I love getting a chance to see how her life has move past the original oneshot.

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joined Sep 6, 2018

played her like a damn fiddle

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joined Sep 6, 2018

asumi chan is soooooo cute. she was created in a lab to be this cute. i cant fuckign believe it.

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Wicked Spot discussion 14 Oct 02:14
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I DIDNT SEE THIS WAS SAL JIANG!!! im so fucking ready. sign me up.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

What I've appreciated about this story is that it's sort of looking at the gray space between abusive relationships and informal bdsm relationships (Misa's not a dom or otherwise involved in the scene, Io struggles to set boundaries), and what distinguishes one from the other. So far Io has gone along with Misa's shittier behavior, and seems to have found some form of personal liberation and empowerment from it. Chapters like this are signalling that allowing things to continue as they have been might just end up with Io trading one abuser for another. I'm content to let Flowrchild keep cooking with this for a bit.

Yeah I think this is a perfect description of the place I, too, am at w/regards to the story. I'm willing to give Flowerchild some pretty serious benefit of the doubt here, there's some really interesting places she could go with this, and I doubt this will be a Fuzoroi no Renri situation where it's just a hugely jarring tonal clash that takes me all the way out.

I really feel like what we've seen so far is stage-setting for Flowerchild doing the kind of wet work she really seems to enjoy; working with messy, painful, volatile, and dark feelings in intense relationship dynamics. I'm personally a bit cautious because stuff that looks like this has ruined series I enjoyed--and frankly I've enjoyed the BDSM so much I've been eating it up like ice cream out of the carton at 2am, and it looks like that might be coming to a close. But I'm really excited to see Flowerchild pop off. Can't wait for the next chapter to figure out exactly what the hell is going on.

last edited at Oct 14, 2024 2:11AM

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Idk yall i genuinely do appreciate the copium and the theorizing on how this could go right but this is looking real bad, I think the visual language here is trying to show what Misa is doing is fucked up, this is some pretty inexcusable shit from a dom. Maybe it’ll all work out, idk, but her stepping on io in the street, putting io up in her underwear on the balcony when she’s a celebrity, both seem like some pretty direct boundary crossing to me.

The only remaining confusion I have is the difference between Misa’s attitude after the phone call and in person. But we shall see.

Interested to see where this will go. I don’t see it going back to the comfy and positive vibe where it was in the foreseeable future. The only thing left to do is buckle your seatbelt or step off at the station, I think, bc it’s about to be hella rough.

last edited at Oct 13, 2024 6:52PM

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I really like Hajime, you don’t get gay dudes in lesbian manga very often, so it’s refreshing.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

god this manga is good. That definition of normality is so interesting. i think any autistic or otherwise neurodivergent person has probably had to put a lot of thought into this question to survive, but for the most part you tend to end up, in my experience, with something resembling more a collection of behaviors and rules--something immediately practically applicable--than a unified theory of normalcy, which is also harder to come by. I'd have to sit on it to decide if I actually think it's correct, but the definition our friend here gave is a pretty good one, from this lens, that solves a lot of issues one might have coming up with a unified theory by essentially pointing to and describing that learning process and the social function it's trying to emulate.

It's interesting, it's useful, so I'd say it's a good definition. Might even be a correct one!

But I think the definition of a monster is what really makes it go, in this manga's context. Such a cool reframing of the ideas we've been grappling with so far. I wonder if being able to pass would then make you normal, or if having to pass only highlights the fact that you're a monster.

for the record, i'm pineapple-agnostic.

last edited at Oct 7, 2024 3:22AM

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

DON'T DO THIS DON'T TEASE US LIKE THIS

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joined Sep 6, 2018

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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it's such an adorable pairing

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joined Sep 6, 2018

yuri food wars...

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
Bb

My OTP finally together over a decade later…

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I feel compelled to write something about why it's such a big deal to me that Io is clearly portrayed as naturally a submissive lesbian, rather than being groomed into being one: The origin of the word "grooming" in this context was coined to describe pedophiles training children to take precocious interest in sexual acts and relationships, normalizing behavior far younger than they'd otherwise engage in it. The far right jumped on this and twisted it, using "grooming" to describe children being given access to queer media or exposed to queer role models and thus coming out as gay or trans themselves as an act of self-realization. This disgusting association is why so many people (like myself) have fully abandoned the term and use other phrasing to describe the actions of child predators. Neither of these definitions of the term apply to Io, which is important. Io's sexuality is not a corrupted version of her natural state, not something imposed upon her. It's a completely healthy aspect of her, as shown in the downright wholesome relationship she has with Misa. Io is a submissive gay woman, not because of abuse or trauma or deliberate sculpting of her sexual interests or personality, but because that's just who Io naturally is, and that's a perfectly okay kind of person to be.
This is important because there is a LOT of stigma around being queer, around being into BDSM, and just around being a woman with particularly strong sexual interests in general. Io's at a specific nexus of traits that make characters like her almost ALWAYS portrayed as unhealthy victims corrupted into that state. This contributes to a whole lot of shame in the real people who share some or all of those three traits, which is obviously fucked up and really bad. I've talked to fellow lesbians who've been pushed so far by this shame that they feel an impulse to suspect their perfectly normal non-abusive parents of having done SOMETHING that they just don't remember, since they've got these interests that are almost exclusively shown as the result of sexual abuse in the media. I've seen so, so, so many people absolutely terrified of their own sexuality because they have fantasies about being a dom and they're convinced they'll hurt people if they don't bury those feelings. Flowerchild portraying Io and Misa as being perfectly healthy and happy together is a really positive thing that can help real people reading this feel so much better about themselves.

Thank you for sharing this, this is really powerful. I hadn't thought of the manga from this perspective, but yeah, I think that is really cool. Even though the way Io and Misa came together in a way that's messy, with a lot of dangerous aspects with the potential to be traumatic to people experiencing them, the core attraction between them and what they are building seems to be healthy and positive. They fit together well. I think it's really cool that this work gives grace for some of the unorthodox ways that queer relationships can come about when we have to move through the world the way we do.

W/regards to my initial post: perhaps groomer is not the right word for what Hase has been doing over the years, then. It seems to me that she has spent a long time cultivating a poor understanding of boundaries in Io, who she has had access to since she was 14, to allow her to control her and get close to her in ways that are not safe, healthy, or appropriate. It would make sense then why Io, who for the most part is very conscientious and reasonable, approaches Misa the way she does, like going to the address she read on her business card and waiting hours for her to come out of the building. There doesn't seem to be particularly negative weight cast on that behavior from Io, so perhaps it's not connected to her treatment by Hase, and is instead just mean to reflect the unusual ways queer women have to go about pursuing connections with one another--or perhaps it's meant to be taken in the same vein as Misa's pushiness and touching without consent, with the idea that, despite the potentially harmful things we carry with us, sometimes things just work out right, people fit together right, and with good will and mutual care we can build healthy relationships despite it all.

Regardless, I'm interested to see how things develop. This is such an interesting manga on a lot of levels.

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

GOOD LORD

I feel like kaoru is always activating neuron, but whenever Riri gets a scene it unveils the secret inner truth of Straight Girl Hell and changes my brain chemistry. Im suuuuuch a sucker for situations where one of the characters is "straight" and it provides confusing and disorienting cover for some deeply homoerotic acts, or when the person in question gets Strong Feelings She Doesn't Understand while just hanging out, and Riri delivers some truly peak moments of both.

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Oh my god this is peak yuri. i want to splice it into my dna. it has killed and reanimated me, im now powered by yuri particles.

the expressions in this chapter were so good. the pain and joy are so complex and operatic. every character and every feeling is so haunted by contradictory passion. truly, yuri is about being haunted by emotions. and this is the spookiest of them all. i can feel myself sinking in the yuri swamp rn

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

WOOOOOOOOO!!!

SEX ALARM!!!

God I love that yuri in the past few years has developed to the point where sex is not only A Thing That Exists in The World, but something that can happen in manga that are not just about sex. That that part of the human experience, of people loving one another, is returning to the stories we hear. IDK something about it just makes me really happy. I love that these two, after everything they've been through and that we've been through with them, can be affectionate with each other in this way, like it's just normal, because it is. It's kind of making me emotional, really.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Oh ok so she’s a groomer. She’s had a weird psychosexual obsession with Io this whole time and now that she’s had sex she’s gone from pretty doll to woman and that obsession is shifting along with it. Super super creepy.

Her making Io promise her not to see Misa is so fucked up, she’s trying so hard to make that girl mentally ill. You just know Io will internalize that as a promise she made rather than coercion and the result of a lifelong conditioning to buckle under pressure.

Unfortunately it’s also kinda hot…

I can’t wait to see how Misa fights for her girl, though. They have my fave kind of dynamic and I looooove when the Aloof Scary Older Girl has to get passionate and protective aghhhh it’s gonna be so good.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
Yukimayu

May gay interpretations of magical girl episodes last a thousand years!

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I kinda liked this one. Would be hard to continue it, but I’d like to see some yuri resolution. Nevertheless, it was good, and interesting. Delved into some serious and uncommon topics, and I thought the dynamic between the characters was interesting.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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This is basically what they were doing on stage