Nora a lot of movement originated from universities. I think it is more advantageous and less dangerous for teenagers and young adults to protest. For starter, they do not have much to lose yet. They are the future workforce and policy makers, having many of them protesting gives older folks a sense of what the next generation wants, and maybe, hopefully politicians will tailor their promises to capture those votes, media tailor their stories for those viewers and corporations build products for the emerging needs. Things won't change in a single day, but you have to start somewhere! And the more people you can rally, the higher your chance of making changes. That's why I am angry at the ones who decide to hide because they are indirectly failing or slowing down the revolution.

people would lose their jobs, reputations would be destroyed

They may. And it is wrong. Fight or flight. Flight is temporary, I rather take a risk for the permanence.

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In this whole Nammi Seju thing, I have the same question that Nammi had.. how come Sumin didn't blow off on her but on Seju! XD

Because she has zero right to blame anyone. She was screwing Sungji in the office the same day(?). She blew up on Seju out of surprise, jealousy and most importantly entitlement. Nami's action was not without warnings. She made it clear from her first appearance, "women with big boobs", "president baek", and constantly picking on Seju, Sumin did not scold her any of that. It's like Nami: "I am gonna do it", Sumin: "don't care", "I am really gonna do it", Sumin: "whatever", Nami: "I am doing it".

it make it easier depending on your cultural, religious, economic, social, educational...etc backgrounds. I personally don't like the constant pressure on gay individuals to come out and advertising so.. I mean, telling teenagers to do so without any consideration to their circumstances is utterly irresponsible and narrow minded. And.. by Economic background, believe it or not, the better the financial statues of the person the easier it gets.

Yes and no. Yes, people's situations are different. Yes, people should only come out when they feel comfortable. All that said, the push and advertisement are still necessary. Look at the movements in the past (I live in USA, can only use USA examples), abolition of slavery, minority and women suffrage, legalization of same sex marriage, people have to rebel for changes to happen. Despite the danger, A LOT of people had rebelled over a long time, multiple generations even, for the above to become civil/human rights, the things a lot of us take for granted. I am somewhat angry at the gays who embrace their false sense of harmony, watch their fellows march on and die for their rights, then happily celebrate when things are settled.

hlama

You need to go to a bathhouse in Japan.

Do you live in Japan? Or just vacation there?

Vacation. Love Japan <3.

The trick to gym locker room is to strip down ;). Your own body will distract you away, also make you less standout.

The lyrics of 17711771 though. It is a good song.

hlama

Good advice, Nora. 2. 3. 5. 6. Happened to me. I know you are curious, but seriously, don't do it.

argghhh when a man does 3 .. I truly feel offended and disgusted (maybe 15% angry).. I mean, how about YOU, rude guy, try it with a man too and confirm that you are truly straight XD .. oh, can I watch? XDDDD

Believe or not they can make 3 worse by adding something like: you obviously have not tried it with me!, at that point I don't even bother reasoning, just walk away.

btw, having a girl changing her cloths on front of me is one of the most awkward 5 min that I will have to put up with.. I don't know what's considered normal.. where should I look and not be suspicious.. what if she sensed me being uncomfortable .. hehe and I am a shy person, taking my cloths nowhere in front of anyone.. what if she questions XDDD

You need to go to a bathhouse in Japan. You will be around 50-100 completely naked women in different shapes, sizes, ages walking around, relaxing, bathing and drinking. Sooooo hard not to stare BUTT I trained my discipline at last hahahahaha.

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Yes, they do have responsibilities for their actions but well, not a nice action to push an unwilling girl to have sex with you cuz of some weakness only you know.

uhhhh, you made it sounded like Nami blackmailed Seju into sex or something =.=. She teased and asked for a drink, but Seju was the one who chose a hotel and got "physically aggressive". Given Seju's wealth and power, she could have easily shut down Nami. Why did she go along if she was so unwilling? Did she breakdown because of the unwilling sex, too? When Nami asked Seju what she was to Sumin, and said Seju was always standing on the side watching and waiting, I read it as Nami was directing it at both herself and Seju because she also had a feeling for Sumin. To me, it was more like two lonely women trying to use each other to trigger a reaction from their common crush than one was pushing another into involuntary sex.

It depends on your view but I dont want to have a friend who knows my complicated relationship with my ex but still hitting on her and pushing her to sleep with that friend without telling you first. That's backstabbing and I'll find it hard to deal with this kind of friend.

I would not put that kind of constraint on my friend if I already broke up with my ex, since then, cycled through 29 girls and happily dating another girl while my ex is miserably lonely and cannot move on. But it is a preference, nothing to argue here.

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Can we just agree that Nami isn't the epitome of the most ideal friend?

Epitome and ideal are subjective. I doubt you will find 100% agreement.

she's the character that says all the harsh things people wouldn't say

I would say a lot of what Nami said in real life. Fuck, I am harsh. lol.

she's not easy to like or even get along with in real life

Really? IMO, Nami is the type that is easy to get along with comparing to Sumin (cool/cold), Sungji (slow/expressionless), Seju (mysterious/reserved). With Nami, what you see is what you get.

she comes across as an annoying sibling or cousin that does sh*T just to mess with you but always has your back

To me, this is a friendship goal. Casual friends have to cross a barrier to get to this level of honesty and comfort. Nami offers this from the get-go.

Nami did kind of pressure Seju to have sex with her

It is definitely not an honorable pursue but not an unethical one either. They are two 30-something years old women, both of them are responsible for their actions.

Random thought, I have a feeling Seju does not like Nami, not because of Nami's flirt, but because Nami can see through her barrier and is not afraid to stir up Seju's hidden emotion, hurting her pride in the process.

Good advice, Nora. 2. 3. 5. 6. Happened to me. I know you are curious, but seriously, don't do it.

I don't know.. in my book, if you try to flirt with a girl YOU know I have a crush on, and with my Ex. whom you suspect we still have feelings for each other and again the new Ex (in ch65).. this is multiple backstabbing.

I feel like that's a bit of an odd statement to make, if Seju and another girl decide to date or anything else then that's their choice and does not need Sumin's approval.

Nora is directing it at Nami, Sumin's only and probably best friend, not at Seju. I understand where she is coming from. There is a common courtesy of not dating your best friend's ex or crush although calling it backstabbing is a little bit dramatic. It is a courtesy, not a rule, especially in the ex-girlfriend's case. My take on this is if you love her so much, then put a ring on her, if you can't do that, you can't complain about anyone (friends or family) chasing after her either because frankly not everything is about you.

What?! Look at what Nami did for sumin and seju

trying to sleep with both of them ?

They broke up, remember? Technically, both of them are on the market. Why should nami stop pursuing what she wants when 1. Sumin and seju were going nowhere, 2. They can always reject her if they don't like her. Don't people always advise to chase your dream because you will regret things you didn't do instead of the things you did?

You think their relationship would had the current breakthrough without nami?!

probably not, Nammi always encouraged a lifestyle that's basically play play play to Sumin.

Sumin needs to relax. Wonder why nami is her only friend.

I think everyone should have a friend like nami: intelligent, good sense of humor, minimal bullshit.

like flirting with Sungji multiple occasions ? (even two of Sumin's ex at the time.. )

Just her personality and all of the girls know it, they are not taking it as a threat or anything serious.

nami had a very brief moment of silence. Why? because she likes sumin but could not tell her. Showing a little sadness and vunerability there.

so not because she remembered her defeat with Seju?

Defeat? I don't think nami considered it a competition to begin with. She did it to prove a point or because it was fun.

Nami may even know sumin better than seju in some aspects.

when was that? by knowing that Sumin had feelings for Seju BY trying to sleep with her !!!!

Knowing sumin overthink, knowing she will fall for sungji, and her feeling for seju.

Nami is closed to my ideal friend, someone who can lighten the mood and bring a new perspective.

I don't know.. in my book, if you try to flirt with a girl YOU know I have a crush on, and with my Ex. whom you suspect we still have feelings for each other and again the new Ex (in ch65).. this is multiple backstabbing.

She never hides it, so more like front "stabbing" hahaha? It is a play, not a serious pursue though. Do you think nami would actually date sungji if sungji took the bait? She may sleep with her and tell sumin 'hey look, this girl ain't your soulmate. Go find a better one.'

who does she think she is publicly yabbying around a chaebol dating other women!! doesn't she think about the possible damages ?!

Maybe, maybe not. Rumor had been flying around already. And hey, if seju wants to date sumin again, she will need to get out of the closet sooner or later.

My actual criticism for nami is that she should have interfered sooner. If she did what she did before sungji' arrival, sumin and seju may have resolved the problems already.

hlama

Thanks professor Nora for the insightful information. Once again Nami is awesome!!!

Well, it also means that Nammi slept with waaay too many women to know by intuition. Nammi could be a cool person for parties but not a friend you wanna have.

What?! Look at what Nami did for sumin and seju. You think their relationship would had the current breakthrough without nami?! I think everyone should have a friend like nami: intelligent, good sense of humor, minimal bullshit. Nami may appear to be shallow, but I think it is just her way of masking her feeling and vunerability. Take her convo with sumin about bang uri for example. When sumin questions about bang uri,
- nami had a very brief moment of silence. Why? because she likes sumin but could not tell her. Showing a little sadness and vunerability there.
- nami quickly deflected with a (frankly quite true) joke. Showing intelligence and understanding of her friend. Nami may even know sumin better than seju in some aspects.

And what is wrong with sleeping with many women.... It is not like she cheats on any of them. The casual relationship is mutual.

Nami is closed to my ideal friend, someone who can lighten the mood and bring a new perspective.

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Thanks professor Nora for the insightful information. Once again Nami is awesome!!!

Anyone remember the random white hair bathtub girl? I wonder if she will make a comeback. She is hot, older and not as significant as sangmi or Choi but seems different from other chicks.

Just Seju falling in love with someone else so soon for just a few last chaps is already considered a shocking plot twist at the moment.

Gaji can introduce a time skip.

But both Seju and Sungji can be top xDDDDDDDDD. They can, they just doesnt want to, lol.

(Know gay concept, read gay webtoon, have a thing for girls (with grey color hair)... Insist she is straight...makes sense )

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She does not seem excited about team leader 2.0 though. A shocking twist for me would be sungji ends up with seju... But meh, two bottoms are boring.

one negative comment about my handwriting and I will strangle your cat, and play Despacito in your dreams all night long.. I MEAN IT

I tried, but i had a hard time. my eyes just couldn't so i gave up and now i have no idea what you wrote. shame ;)

Huh? What handwriting, there was writing? I was so distracted by the wite-out that I could not see anything else. No mate, if you ever see my cat, the only thing you will do is get on your knees and kiss him, then worship him for the rest of your life. Play whatever, I don't remember my dream after 30 seconds of waking up anyway. A better threat would be: I will tie you up and take away your partner/vibrator right before that perfect, magical moment. Now this is a real threat! Muahahahaha.

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(Is that wite out? People still use wite out? WTF)

I'm sorry, my memory failed me this time since I just remember she asked from Sumin like couple look or giving her her heart or saying "I love you" and demanding her to know what Sumin likes from her. Right?

I remember she said something quite touching in one of the bed talk, forgot which chapter. Something along the line of at first I thought I would be happy just looking at you, then I realized how good it felt to touch you, to kiss you. It was so hard loving you, but it was fine because sometimes it was good. And then there was a bus talk from sumin, after the cheating incident, sumin was sitting in the bus with sungji while sungji felt asleep, I forgot the wordings but something along the line of I picked up the habit of collecting random dolls because of you etc. Now that I think about it sumin mentioned something about sungji skipping lunch and she was worry... She said the same thing to Seju... --.--

But seriously though, have ever any of us seen a CEO going to work and wearing a sleeveless cropped top that conveniently reveals her belly button? Cause I cant tell if Seju is going to work or doing sth else #___________#

Sleeveless is fine if she expects to wear the coat the whole time at work. What belly button? I thought she was wearing a belt?

mpgpeg Nora89 Y'all talking some juicy stuffs there, let me butt in a bit :P

what does Seju hates the most?

Hate is a strong word. I doubt she means the male gender. She seems to get along well with her male employees. My guess is she means a personality type, gender may have something to do with it too.

The main reason I'm holding back on accepting the hypothermia theory is... that it is kind of abstract for your average reader to understand. I wonder how Team Gaji would effectively explain it to the reader if that was the case, have a doctor do so, or a witness? The bartender himself? I am not sure. It is noteworthy how Seju was affected by alcohol in chapter 84 though. It showed her low tolerance.

Me too. Hypothermia is a really wild guess. I have no idea how Foxy came up with it so early on... If it turns out like that, well, GOOD JOB FOXY, YOU HAVE REACHED A NEW LEVEL! (or maybe you are at that level all along, it is just me/us are at the crazily low level). It is necessary that Gaji breast feed (please!) this one to me. The "hints" Nora cited are not sufficient for the average readers, and author should know their target readers (at least that was what I was taught in school).

remember in ch4? Seju was pleading for gentleness.. because 3 fingers were just too much! Gold Star indeed XD

Hmmm, was it because of 3 fingers or the thrust or the doggy position XD. According to Sumin, Seju's body liked it XD.

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Honestly, about the lunch thing, I believe that person invited them all, included Seju but she declined because of Sumin's invitation, I think Seju was about to say that the new TL treated all of them lunch but she didnt go, lollllll. Should be logic that you invite everyone, include your boss, how can you leave your boss out of this?

I thought dinner was more exciting then group lunch hehehe, and it would explain Seju's whereabout. How can you leave your boss out? Hm, depends on how reachable the boss is. Seju seems distant (and very high up, the CEO! drool), separate office and all. And personally, I would rather have a 1 on 1 with my boss, more intimate and focus, the image I want to convey in front of my subordinates may not be the image I want to present to my boss.

ehhh, I prefer solution to deterrence.

hlama hahaha! something like "contraception not abstinence"? XDDDD

Absolutely. Think about it, contraception is a human innovation. What is abstinence? Just doing nothing.

yoonie and I were discussing earlier Seju's whereabouts.. from her clothing (a sleeveless cropped shirt) is so casual for her normal office appearance. It suggests that Seju didn't go to work that day.. and also, where was she at night? it seems like she was not home when Sungji arrived given Sumin's low measures towards having sex with Sungji.

My guess is Seju went to work, that was how Sumin was able to reach her for lunch, team leader invited her for dinner. She was about to tell Sumin but was cut off.

yoonie

Nah, no one is a plot device for anyone

:O)

I have reasons for an absolute no for this

Interesting... I think Sumin will chase after Sungji, nothing to do with Seju's situation vs Sungji's, it's just the logical and right thing to do. If Sumin does not chase after her, Sungji will assume the worst. Besides, Sumin has a legit reason in this case although a hard one to explain.

Orange

It's interesting that you said the life lesson is how to get away with cheats instead of not to cheat XDD

ehhh, I prefer solution to deterrence.