Hints or not don't change the fact he was kind of a dick because she didn't want to sleep with him, and I don't see him as the sane one of the group, he's more like the ignorant one and disposable one, besides to show how Yuma loves Hotaru but doesn't see that yet he didn't really have any importance to the story, so much that even you said he should be left out of the picture already.

And sorry to say but you don't know me then, I admit that I am a little biased because of yuri, of course I will favor yuri relationship over others, but that doesn't mean I'm biased like the yuri fans you mean, I always try to not be biased like that, I don't think Takeda is annoying because he's "nice", although he is better than the others I don't really find him that much nice either, I just don't see being nice as a reason to like anyone, to me that feels like harem bullshit where the protagonist is a bland idiot whos only quality is being nice and all girls fall in love with him only because of that, if I find him annoying it's because he's an idiot who pretty much could have disappeared from the story and wouldn't be a loss at all.

But I do get why you thought I'm like that, I also don't like how some of yuri fans treat male characters in yuri, especially because some really don't deserve it, the problem is that a lot of times they really are made to be that bad, like pushy borderline rapist or super jerk rapist like Fujiwara, unfortunately yuri in general lacks good male characters, but most yuri tend to focus only on the main characters and give a little screen time to people close to them, so it's not like male characters are really necessary even if they're good.

Okay, maybe whiner is a little too much, but he did get all hurt because Yuma didn't want to sleep with him even though they're not going out for much time yet, like how he acted after it and avoided her as if he's a child who didn't get the toy he wanted, I did feel that was pretty whiny from his part, it's not like there's any reason to really like him anyway, I find stupid that japanese likes him because he's "nice", I don't really see that as enough reason to like a stupid character like him or any character at all actually, even ignoring the fact that I'm biased for yuri, he don't really get any sympathy from me, so being a yuri fan just makes easier to add a few more insults when talking about him.

Well I didn't try to mean that it's all because of society, it's just one of the main factors that affects how we are or view things, fortunately with time more and more people are learning to open their minds to diffent things, but in the end it's various factors that affect how people think, obviously, I said society just because it's something that will continuously affect your life, especially if you decide to go against the "norm", I didn't try to blame everything on society since things are never that simple, that would be stupid and naive, though I admit it might have sounded like that...

Well, for polyamorous relationship I admit that it depends on how it is for it to have a bigger reward or not, if it is just one person having relationship with two or more then I kind of agree since only that one is getting the affection of the others, now if it's for example between 3 people where they all love each other, then it can be more rewarding than relationship between 2, but in the end we can't really judge how rewarding a relationship is or not because it already varies a lot between 2 people, it's pretty much relative to what each person believe or feels so there's nothing really much to discuss as we'll just end up going in circles, and like you said for some people when they finally have someone they love and that love them back, they pretty much don't care at all about the rest of the world.

I also never said that monogamous is stupid, as for jealousy, it's kind of complicated, because most people believe only the bad kind of jealousy exist, there is also the benevolent kind that can make us try to be better, unfortunately most people doesn't seen to have it, so when I said that jealousy is stupid I was talking about the bad kind that even when it is small it can already fuck up your relationship or even your life if you're jealous of someone because of what they have or because of how their life is better than yours, bad jealousy is pretty much a poison.

9toenails posted:

So back to the story, it is just very hard for me to picture that wdfs would end up as threesome. Honestly, I would love that to happen, because then everyone is happy. Happy = healing, yeay. But there would be a lot of grounds, hills, and seas that the author would have to cover if Team Gaji wants to keep the story intact. Polyamory requires a lot of trust and acceptance from each person in the relationship, how would the author cover that development for SejuxSungji relationship (while keeping the story intact) ?

I agree with the rest you said but I won't quote or reply cause I think we already said everything that matters on the subject, as for WDTFS ending on threesome, though I think it can happen, I acually doubt Team Gaji would be able to do it well with only 80 chapters as we're already on half of it, maybe if they get another extention of 40? Cause like you said they didn't develop anything between Seju and Sungji, so even if they decide to just share Sumin, it would probably be poorly done with so little time.

And yeah this thread moves fast, same for FF thread, there are no brakes on this train.

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I think Yuma is mentally challenged, but not in a cute way like the girls from Sakura Trick, seriously, sometimes some characters grab the Idiot Ball and do stupid things, but in Yuma case she pretty much seens to have a Idiot Ball in place of her brain.

In my case I think it end up becoming funny because of how forced it is, like, Yuma is typical retarded girl like you see in some mangas, hentai in particular, Hotaru is supposedly smart and manipulative, knows how to act and all that, but some of her actions are pretty stupid too, Fujiwara is typical forced jerk like you see in a lot of shoujos, I bet a lot of girls like him because of that, as for Takeda, he's just a loser who's whining because he didn't get the pussy he wanted, like Citrus I feel that the story is So Bad, It's Good, of course for those who don't like they're So Bad, It's Horrible.

I never said he is the MC or that people are empathizing with him, I just said that from his side of the story he is suffering Netorare and I know very well how NTR works so you don't need to try explain it for me, I know that this is a Netori story.

Honestly? I think Fujiwawa would try the threesome even if Yuma was still with Takeda, he is that much of a shitty person after all, I also agree that it would be better to leave Takeda out, but Kodama Naoko will probably give him a happy ending too, especially because he became so popular, now the question is for how long Yuma will cotinue to act like a brainless idiot, it would be nice to see she doing something instead of Hotaru doing everything.

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I see, thanks ekw79 and Rosenakahara, I sure hope it won't disappoint in the end, cause I have to admit that it sure looks nice.

In no moment I'm not letting her be as you said, I just said that I doubt she will do it or they will let she do it.

It is true that it is a lot popular, more than we imagine a manga like this would be, it is true that even with all the hate it gets it also attract a lot of people because it's not the usual yuri story, but that doesn't mean everyone will just accept the threesome, there's pretty much no way Fujiwara can really force them to do it, especially now that Yuma broke with Takeda, and even if she was still with him it would be stupid, I don't think there's any way for the threesome to happen without being pretty shitty written, if that happens it doesn't matter if it's really popular, if it end up being like in hentai it can easily lose a lot of it's followers.

I know it's called Netori when the main character is doing it, but like I said if anyone is having the person they love stolen it is Takeda, so from his point of view it's Netorare, because it's obvious that Hotaru and Yuma only really love each other, only reason people like Takeda is because he's "nice", I wonder how many readers are actually straight girls and that's part of the reason he's so popular.

It's not so much that society teachs that monogamy is the only one right, but that they also teach that anything else is wrong, like with being straight, it's not so much seen as being right but as the default or "natural" way of things, so even if they don't teach that is the right way they do tend to say in direct or indirect ways that any other way is wrong, hope I said properly what I meant...

As for what is the point? Again it is in part because of society that you can't see it, they teach that love can only be between two people, that it can't be shared, fact that a lot of fiction plays with concept of soulmates or about finding your other half or destined person kind of shows that too, it's not about lust, if you want sex then it's just open relationship or swing, real polyamorous relationship is all about love and trust, I know what you mean about not wanting to sound ignorant MacySan, even if we're open minded sometimes certains things are just hard or impossible for some to understand, either because it's incompatible with our nature or because society basically programed our brains to not accept certain concepts, even if we try sometimes our brains are just "hardwired" to not be able to understand how some people can have certain lifestyles or how they believe in some things.

As for the bond being deeper between two people, I also understand why most people think that, but that don't really has anything to do with how many people are in the relationship, how strong and deep their bond and love are all depends on how much investment they put in the relationship, but because it's between only two people it is easier to mantain since after all it's already hard to have relationship between two people, especially because most people think it's good to have a little jealousy and other bullshit like that, in the end polyamorous relationship is not really different than monogamy, true it have more than two people, but in the end just like monogamous it is all about love and trust, obviously it is harder to have one especially because of how society sees it, it needs way more investment from everyone involved but the rewards are also bigger.

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I know that Yuri Hime already had some het offscreen before, though I don't remember any now, I just find hard to believe that Kodama Naoko will do it or that Yuri Hime will let she do it, because like I said before the manga is already pretty divisive even in japan, even if it's offscreen the threesome can pretty much kill the manga, especially if it happens because of retarded blackmail like in hentai, as for being NTR, if anyone is suffering NTR it is only Takeda because I really doubt in the end Hotaru and Yuma won't be together.

sharkman posted:

Nya probably meant the guy & girl

Nya-chan posted:

I meant Akari and whats-his-name. As for Yuki x Akari, the end is ambiguous. They just meet 7 years later (and hug I think?). Nothing hints that they get together. But not the other way either. It's an open ending.

Oh, okay then, not thinking properly since I just woke up so I didn't notice it was about Akira, as for the ending, I think it's typical "we won't say outright but it's obvious they'll be together now" kind of open yuri ending.

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It's funny that people reallly think a threesome will happen, like, seriously? The manga is already pretty divisive even in japan, making the threesome is just a dumb way to alienate all readers and get the manga cancelled, especially because this is published in Yuri Hime, I don't think they would let Kodama Naoko make something that stupid, I also just don't see Hotaru letting it happen at all, at worst even if Fujiwara finds a way to try to force them, I believe Takeda will do something to stop it.

Okay, first of all, I thought it was obvious what I said about Team Gaji was a joke since I added "post twist" in it... I'll try to explain again, according to someone Team Gaji might be a woman because of what they see in her twitter, she makes a yuri manhwa/webcomic, she doesn't see the story as a love triangle and thought about maybe making threesome ending, so the plot twist is that she uses the name Team Gaji because she is in a threeway relationship and WDTFS is more or less based on her life, I even said then that it's at this kind of time that I wanted to know about the life of the person who makes the manga, webcomic, manhwa, whatever, especially those who make yuri, so after saying that and "plot twist" I kind of thought it was obvious I was joking and I don't know anything about Team Gaji...

MacySan, when I was talking about a pervert I meant Sungji, not Sumin, and in your next post, no, it's not necessary to have love between Seju and Sungji for the threesome to work, like I said before it would be Sumin with both, they both love her so they would share, I don't think it is impossible, at least I think Sumin still loves Seju, but it's easier to not work because of their trust issues instead of lack of love, not to mention this is just a possibility, threesome ending can't be discarted since Team Gaji themselves said they thought about maybe doing it, we're still in the middle of the story so we have time for it to happen, especially if they get another extention later.

We finding later that Seju is sleeping with Nami is not in any way a plot twist, it's just an asspull, it just don't make any sense after all the hate she showed.

And Nezchan kind of explained part of what I was going to say, I didn't say that people are brainwashed to be only in monogamous relationship, but it is a fact that people is pretty much brainwashed to believe only monogamy is right, go ask anyone what they think of polyamorous relationships and most will say they don't believe it can work and they will always use same reasons that society teach us, like how only two people is right, or because of god, or how they don't belive you can love more than one person, or soulmates and so on, it's not only with relationship, a lot of things people believe by default is because society pushes all our life that pretty much only one way is right, atheists are a good example, most people simply can't understand how someone can't believe in god because we're pretty much taught since birth that god exists and believing in god is the right choice.

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Nya-chan posted:

Anyway, they don't end up together

You sure? From what I remember they meet 7 years later and admit they still love each other...

Oh so you only saw them on Youtube, the problem with the ending where you sacrifice Chloe is that you can argue where it really starts, remember how they show pictures being burned and changed? That happens every time Max change the past using a picture, it's not something made for the ending only, next scene is her crying in the bathroom, but we could argue that the ending itself only really starts when we go to the funeral, if you compare the funeral with them getting out of the city if you save Chloe the difference is not much big, but of course that depends on how you see it.

But my point is not only that, saving Chloe shows them getting out of the city in a car, you go in that same street on another scene where you save some people and see some dead, but in the ending the street is clean, not even those you see dead or the dagame you saw before are there, same for the ones that you saved but should have died now, so it's not Chloe die x everyone die like some think, the creators themselves said you decide who dies or not.

But I do agree that either way it still gives the impression that sacrificing Chloe is longer, especially because of the music, it all depends on how you see it, that's why I agree that even if you interpret the endings like that people is right in complaining, on purpose or not they didn't made the endings very well, they should have made both better but supposedly they didn't have money or time left.

Pandoras Yuri is as real to me as your mindset of "real" yuri instead of it being just fanservice.

It's pretty awesome beyond the ridiculous premise and more thought out in it's universe than I expected.

Also, Pandora sex power up > VD's

I see, I might watch it later, thanks Ratte.

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Well said Nezchan.

About cheating, it's actually funny, lesbian is cheated with a man is seen as horrible by them, straight woman is cheated by man with another man? Not as bad in a lot of cases, cheating shouldn't be about gender but about trust, but most people has double standards with it, I hate how most people have black and white mentallity when it comes to cheating, although in most cases the person is just a dick, sometimes there is complex reasons and real problems in the relationship that end up with someone cheating, of course that is not excuse for the cheating, neither is being drunk, but I do think that sometimes people can sit down and talk about maybe giving another chance to their relationship, but of course the one who cheated should work hard to deserve again the trust of the person on who they cheated.

I also agree with you queerturtle, and about Seju, technically we don't really know why she slept with that guy, it's pretty ambiguous, some see the worst scenario, it could have been for various reasons besides being drunk, we might never know but I hope that when the focus comes back to Seju we see more into that, but as far as we know it could have been both out of spite and out of loneliness and being drunk just gave a little push, chances are that they'll never explain because they can't give a good explanation and maybe because it's already too late for that.

Haha, I know there's no problem GraciousLlama, but I find silly people care about gender here, there's no man or woman on Dynasty, only yuri fans.

Well Faylicia, she doesn't need to want to have sex with both Seju and Sumin, but the fact that she had a dream about them having sex already shows she's not that much innocent as we think, as if she would be attracted sexually for Seju we'll probably never know, it's just a possibility that she might be really perverted, we need to wait and see how things will be now that they had sex, as for all you said, I should have imagined it was just bad paraphrased, sometimes it's hard no notice, sorry. o7

But I kind of get why some people have problem with promiscuity, open relationships, polyamory and so on, but as always it's not so much that the person has problem with it, but that society forces us to think that only one kind of lifestyle is right. :/

OriginalGengar posted:

it really is overreaction

Is it though?

Honestly? I'm not saying they're not right in their complaints, but at least in my opinion it's not that bad, but it could have definitely been done better, both endings, did you play it OriginalGengar? If not I can give you all spoilers and say how it is on irc, I'm there right now.

Kitsune Spirit posted:

Anyone else watching koukaku no pandora?

Off and on, yes.

Is it any good? One of you is reading the manga? I wonder if we can hope for real yuri ending instead of just fanservice.

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Faust posted:

Ch 9 raws http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4420696367

The threesome didn't happen, well I didn't think it would I still have a little faith in yuri, just a little. Kinda surprised Hotaru will still date Fujiwara after everything.
Seems like Hotaru ended things with Yuma for good this time [?] so I hope the next time something happens between them Yuma is the one who will initiate it.

she might be using sex as a way to not piss him off, cus who knows what he could do, that little shithead
this arc is seriously stressing me out and is leaving me with a bad taste, i hope it gets resolved soon

Well, he will definitely do something since he has their picture now...

Sumin being still attracted to Seju is not really a problem, after all it'll be Sungji the one she loves, feelings can change with time, there's no reason Sumin can't love Seju as family after they're finally healed.

Just because Sungji didn't show any attraction to Seju it doesn't mean it can't end in threesome, like I said in posts before it would be Sumin with both, just because it end in threesome it doesn't mean Seju and Sungji need to have feelings for each other, and I never said anything about Sungji being promiscuous, not to mention that there's nothing wrong with someone being promiscuous, I said about being a pervert, it's completely different, it would fit Sumin since she slept with lots of woman, what they wanted in bed doesn't have anything to do with her current relationship, there's no reason Sungji can't like slow passional sex instead of rough and still be a pervert.

And I don't see how threesome can be the worst ending, polygamy exists, sharing is caring after all ♥

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Martian posted:

It would be kind of crazy if the plot twist is a SungjixSeju ending (don't kill me). Speaking of Sungji, I can totally see her taking interest in Seju, but not the other way around. Do you guys remeber Sumin's dream of Seju and Sungji? What if that's Sungji's real personality? Not innocent but pretty wild and daring.

I have to admit, Sungji actually being wild and daring, open to the threesome, would be a better twist than making her more edgy or more flawed, Seju and Sumin are already damaged enough so I don't think they need to give her any kind of negative quality, not to mention that the pure and innocent girl being a really big pervert would be interesting and would be a nice fit for Sumin who did sleep with a lot of woman, I actually wouldn't mind the plot twist being that even thought Sumin is in the center of the threesome, it's actually Sungji who's in control of everything...

Well, Team Gaji is apparently a woman, yuri manhwa/webcomic, doesn't see this as a love triangle, think of making threesome ending, plot twist, the story is kind of based on her life, and she uses the name Team Gaji because she has two girlfriends, but seriously, it's at this kind of time that I wanted to know about the life of the person who makes the manga, webcomic, manhwa, whatever, especially those who make yuri. (iwi)

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bob2alien posted:

Heh, I thought it was going to be that ending, in my case I save Chloe cause fuck everyone else, Bae before Bay! I also knew you could have romance with Warren instead, but by chapter 2 I was already tired of his shit

While I had nothing against Warren he didn't really have that big a part in the story imo, plus that attempted hug in ep 1 just cracks me up.

I don't have anything in particular against him either, he just felt a little too pushy, if at least he had more scenes like that hilarious attempted hug maybe it would have been better, I also finished the game some days ago, the end is not as bad as people say, it really is overreaction, you can actually argue where Sacrifice Chloe ending really start or not, though inevitably it does gives the impression of being longer anyway, now I can't wait for the fanmade visual novel Love is Strange to be released now on april 1st.

melevas posted:

So The 100 is getting renewed for a 4th Season. I see a lot of people extremely mad about this but I think it's more of a chance to redeem themselves. Because like the writers said, every character on that show is not hetero so how come everyone is boycotting against it?

I'm seeing people rallying up against The CW and all that the show stands for.

I get what you mean, the problem is that "no one is straight" is just a poorly made excuse to pander lgbt fanbase, cause I bet in the end all couples will be between a man and a woman, especially because it's already obvious he doesn't care about making a good work, so making everyone end in straight relationship to pander straight fans will be easier than try to make lgbt fans happy after how they fucked up the serie.

As for Xena, I loved Calisto too, is it just me or new Calisto won't be as cool? Though that might be the case for Xena and Gabrielle too, man I really hope they don't fuck it up, we really need a good serie that end with a lgbt couple, and now that things are more open to lgbt in general compared to the time when original Xena was made, they could also show a lot more of their relatioship too. :/

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But even if most people have a type that doesn't mean it can't work, but like I said before, after 10 years waiting for Sumin, if Seju can be with her I doubt she would give her love to Sungji too, I think Seju do finds Sungji attractive but doesn't feel anything, she doesn't even know her, if threesome ever happens Sumin will obviously be the one "playing strong", as for Sumin loving Seju, I'm still unsure, I think she still does love her, but she has that love/hate relationship with her, I think those flashbacks are because she still lovers her, when she's happy with Sungji she can't help but remember how she was happy with Seju, but when they're together her hates always shows up, that's why I think the only way for them to be together is if Sungji is in the mix to calm down Sumin.

But well, even if Sumin get over Seju I think she will still lover her as family, Seju will probably never completely get over Sumin but will learn that she can love others too, if their relationship was not so complex I would not even believe a threesome has any chance, not to mention Team Gaji themselves thought of the possibility, I think it all depends to what we see between Seju and Nami, somehow I don't think she will end up alone.

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Thanks oliver, I know that manga but just had a look long ago, need to read it soon, I'm not sure but I think mods can change your name if you want.

Honestly, I also don't see Seju x Sungji, not because they would not work, but because they're both in love with Sumin only, Seju in particular after all those years would not just fall in love with someone else, though since she loves Sumin, and Sumin loves Sungji, I wouldn't be surprised if Seju could start have feelings for Sungji too if they start seeing each other, you know what they say, the lover of my lover is my lover what?, at least Seju would not have problem at all, so the question would be if Sungji would accept it or not, especially cause I think Seju and Sumin still love each other.

But really, technically if I'm in any team it would be Team Black cause then everyone would be happy, but as long as Seju is happy I'm happy, I think Sumin x Sungji is already pretty much sure to happen, now we just need to see if it'll become Seju x Sumin x Sungji or not.

I don't remember where exactly they say it's a healing story, maybe in the description, but it was already made clear this is a healing story, so a happy ending for everyone is guaranteed, we're just not sure of the endgame pairings, though it is possible I don't think Seju will end up with Nami, I find threesome ending easier and more logical, or she end up alone but finally moving on or they will introduce a new woman just for her.

And there's no need for a hole, even if we're on different teams, we're all on this together, no need to feel embarassed.

I'm a guy and there's definitely more here, I don't see why it's a problem discussing WDTFS with guys, but if you girls want I can help dig the hole. o7

oliver, where is your avatar from? That girl is familiar but I can't remember from where.

Nice post queerturtle, one of the reasons I'm on Seju side is because of how some people treats her, it's even more obvious in the beginning of the thread where some people outright said Seju was evil and manipulative and that she's the cause of Sumin suffering, while for them Sumin was a little angel who never did anything wrong, I really love how Team Gaji showed Sumin true colors and how she was a horrible person to Seju in the last 10 years, it annoys me especially because it's obvious that the main reason some people don't like her is because of the cheating and they ignore everything else, cause you know, if you cheat you're a monster worse than Hitler and context or reasons doesn't matter because there's no redemption for you, but of course I'm not saying that Sumin is worse, both screwed up, one of the things that makes this good is because their relationship is pretty complex, it would be boring and bad writing if it was all just because of the cheating.

I also agree how both sides are pretty biased sometimes, I do think Seju sleeping with that guy was just a mistake, she was drunk, I don't think it was out of spite, but that is not a excuse and maybe we'll get more info on that later, I really doubt Sumin will ever cheat on Sungji because she doesn't want to hurt her like she was with Seju, I don't really see she breaking up with Sungji to go back to Seju, only way I can see Seju and Sumin together again is with threesome ending, I also don't see Seju becoming a villain in any way since this is a healing story, if anything I can only see more suffering in her way before things start getting better, I also don't think she will end up with Nami, maybe they will just help each other, but the way Seju hates her I just can't see them becoming a couple since we don't have that much time left, it's half the story already so it would probably feel rushed and forced.

Faylicia, if I'm not mistaken Team Gaji themselves said this was a healing story, it's why they also said Seju won't just end up in an arranged marriage, I believe it's also why there's no villain, someone else could easily make Seju or Sumin massive jerks for no reason and the villain of the story, but they're both pretty sympathetic, I also think that first Sumin will be healed since the story is focusing so much on her and make Sungji more complex , then the rest will be about Seju healing with some parts of Sumin x Sungji.

Also, what you girls mean by Team Black? I read the thread since the beginning and what I got is that Team Pink is for those who want Sumin x Seju and Team Blonde is for those who want Sumin x Sungji, it's not just about those who are on Seju or Sungji side, so if by Team Black it means those who are om Sumin side independent of who she end up with, maybe it's a good idea to find another name? From what I see it Team Black would be threesome ending since Sumin would be the one "winning" by having both Seju and Sumin...

And don't worry about long posts queerturtle, that's normal on Dynasty.

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I think Seju moving on is still a possible scenario, maybe chances are small, but it's still there.

It's been 10 years, yet she hasn't even moved on a bit.

Neither Sumin moved, both stopped to move on 10 years ago, the difference between them is that Seju is passive while Sumin is active, that's why it's way more obvious that Seju hasn't moved at all, but now that Sumin is moving foward Seju will be forced to move foward too, since this is a healing story she will definitely get a happy ending, there's only three options, threesome ending, she gives up on Sumin and move on, or she end up with Nami or some other woman that will be introduced later.

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Didn't we already talk about who the story is about a few pages ago? This was never "Sumin story", just like FF is about both No-rae and Seol-a, WDTFS was always about both Seju and Sumin, now about Sungji too, not to mention this is a healing story, not only it doesn't make sense Seju not getting a happy ending, but fans would riot too if she didn't get one.