X is honestly kind of boring when she's being menacing and competent. The useless loser that gets bullied by her subordinates thing she had going on before was a lot more entertaining.

You know, I often wondered about Souseki Natsume and his famous answer to the question of how to say "I love you" in Japanese.

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But now, I think I have finally found the real reason.

Lol. Asians are famous for giving convoluted nonsensical explanations to nosy whiteys who annoy them with dumb questions.

Asking how you say something in a foreign language isn't a dumb question it's literally one of the most basic foundations of human communication.

Random triangle is random. Making Aki said that when she is the one who help Yori the most with Himari is very strange.Why would you help someone you love to get in love with someone else.

Because you know they don't feel the same way and you want them to be happy even if that means it's with someone else. This seems like something she came to terms with a while ago.

Why do people wear makeup? For myself, it’s because it fills me with confidence. I don’t care about other people’s opinions. Much of the species could take a long walk off a short pier for all I care. I wear makeup for myself, for me and no-one else. When I put it on I feel confident in myself. I take pride in my appearance.

Have you considered why that is because that feeling doesn't exist in a vacuum. Like perhaps the inescapable propaganda surrounding the makeup industry has affected your ability to feel confident with your bare face as is the case with many women. And even if that isn't the case just because you like this oppressive societal more that demands women invest inordinate amounts of time and money into this endeavour doesn't make it not an oppressive societal more that is ultimately harmful to women. Like for every woman who uses makeup as a means of self-expression there's a women who basically has an anxiety disorder concerning the idea of people perceiving her real face because it's been hammered into her since childhood that her real face is unacceptable. Let's not pretend the choice to wear makeup is one made without immense pressure pushing women in favour of it, the beauty industry is a billion dollar juggernaut bent on making every woman feel insecure and inadequate so they can sell them products that will fix the flaws they made up to sell them products to fix.

Anyway, we now have the poor pretty girl bullied in school because she's catching the attention of all the boyfriends of the other girls.

This manga is such a concentration of preaching.

I'm hoping that's not where this is going because good lord is that trope played out. I do agree that this manga is super preachy which would be less annoying if what it was preaching wasn't either borderline incomprehensible or bullshit half the time.

Yikes.

I don't get why the author decided to make the crossdressers in this manga choose to cross-dress for external reasons(for the sake of their friends or family), but not for their own internal reasons (pleasure, personal aesthetics, etc...).

It just kind of rubs me the wrong way, as if the author was trying to imply that people don't crossdress for their own pleasure. Which is not true at all.

Perhaps it's just to show a variety of reasons? I think there's a variety of possible reasons for any cross-dresser to do so. I think it is mostly to set up the notion (for Akira to learn) that being called 'cute and pretty' is NOT the end goal for girls... perhaps 'a goal' but like Hiro says: it can be too much. "It won't necessarily make her happy" eh?

Didn't expect to see "Girl expresses outright disgust for a guy therefore she must be into him" in this community but I guess straight nonsense is literally inescapable.

But then she thinks about it and wonders if he might actually be sticking up for Akira, eh? Maybe he did... Probably not though, I think he's super-creepy too! But y'all never seen a tsundere spent weeks or months yelling, beating up and expressing hate towards her person of interest? It does happen... in manga at least.

I mean, the tsundere trope annoys the crap out of me for exactly that reason. It perpetuates the pretty shitty attitude that a woman's rejection is negotiable/insincere and you can just ignore their expressed wishes in favour of whatever you want.

I hope they explore mom yuri too, but I think I might be one of the few people to like mom Yuri outside of incest :(

Mom yuri is great and there's nowhere near enough of it that isn't incest stuff.

All the people bitching in the comments make me think everyone on this site only wants to see this story shat out over an over again
"I luv u"
"I luv u too"
"And then they did the sex"

God forbid people be bored with the mandated drama that happens in damn near every romance series. Are you really gonna deride people reading a romance story for wanting to read romance?

Oh, right, it was Chocola. For some reason I remembered her with white hair. I liked the interactions between the other cats, but the horny sister already was a red flag for me. That's my yuri biase, I wouldn't mind her as the harem lead instead.

Funny, Cinnamon is the one who ended up being in love with Maple from the start and she is just as horny and crazy as Kashou's actual sister.
Though I don't really like any harems, straight, gay, bi or reverse.

It doesn't feel like there's a power imbalance here beyond the one you'd find between a freeloader and the person supporting them.

Well, what are freeloaders, if not the most expensive of pets?

A freeloader might be cheaper than a pet if you live somewhere with universal healthcare because vet bills are hella expensive.

You're overstating the differences between cat breeds. Even the Maine Coon, while more sociable than other cat breeds, does not have the instinctual hierarchical social structure that actual pack animals like dogs do. A cat with the capacities of a human is far more likely to oppose any abuses on the part of its owner or just strike out on its own. I do think this work brings up an interesting point: suddenly changing how you treat them because of this change due to human squeamishness would be more hurtful and confusing than liberating. Even in a human form they still have inhuman social mores and immediately thrusting an entirely alien moral framework onto them seems unhelpful at best. Most of these kind of stories don't address the dynamic over the long term and are just brief one-shots so there simply isn't enough time to explore the issue in the time frame it would require.

Oh? I know quite a few Maine Coons and they are obedient, sociable and pretty chill. They will even let you put them on a leash and take them for a walk. And then there are housecat breeds specifically bred to be attached and obedient to humans. It's getting a lot more common.
Sure, they aren't pack animals, but their self-centered nature is what is actually getting eradicated.

Well, I do want longer series of this type exactly for that reason. But even in one-shots it's rather easy to see that the issue is being ignored or even fueled.
I absolutely understand that an immediate increase in intelligence doesn't mean comprehending a new lifestyle, but a catgirl that wants to be treated as a pet is what you critisized about straight dude's writing just now, didn't you? A lack of independance.

I obviously don't dislike these more straightforward depictions, they are just cute. Still would prefer if it got explored more sensibly one day.

I would love a story that goes more in depth into this concept and actually addresses the complexities of it. I think a lot of it comes down to what authors consider "being treated as a pet" to entail and in many cases it's super uncomfortable when applied to a person whereas good real pet owners treat their pets not much different from how they treat human loved ones beyond the necessities of being their caretaker. Like the protagonist here is making a concerted effort to treat the cat as a person to the point where she over corrects and I think that's actually a really good portrayal of this dynamic. Like yes, the cat wants to be treated with the same affection as it was before the transformation but it doesn't want to be treated as property or like it's beneath its former owner and it probably doesn't even recognize her as an owner she's just her roommate who gives her food. It doesn't feel like there's a power imbalance here beyond the one you'd find between a freeloader and the person supporting them.

I do think this work brings up an interesting point: suddenly changing how you treat them because of this change due to human squeamishness would be more hurtful and confusing than liberating.

I don't give a shit about the ethics of it--if my cat-turned-humanoid vomits up a hairball on the sofa, they're cleaning it up themselves.

Where's a hairball going to come from if they don't have fur or the bone structure (or need) to tongue bath themselves?

Alright, I was being tongue in cheek with the "straight dudes don't understand cats" thing as a joking commentary on the way catgirls tend to be portrayed is divorced from how cats tend to behave in order to make them more "cute" but I can understand the tone not carrying over well in text. Though I think calling that sentiment "toxic" even if it were expressed in all sincerity is a bit of a stretch.

I do think Nekopara looks trashy though but you're right I was more caustic then necessary in expressing that so I apologize for that.

My original point though was specific to this trope of a pet becoming humanoid rather than to universes where people can own and buy sapient anthropomorphic animals. Like in this setting the simple difference of the relationship dynamic between a cat and its owner and a dog and its owner feels like it would have an impact on the moral quandaries it brings up.

And then there are stark differences between cat breeds to consider as well. Maine Coons for example are basically just dogs in a cat body. While you are right that the general trope of dogs being more obedient would play heavily into enforcing the master & servant/pet relationship, most catgirl works do not treat this issue any differently, regardless of the catgirl's personality.
Transformation catgirls (in this case cat-->girl) are not exempt from the issue. The moment they become humans they have to be treated as a fellow human. But these stories almost always ignore that aspect and still treat the catgirl as a pet.

You're overstating the differences between cat breeds. Even the Maine Coon, while more sociable than other cat breeds, does not have the instinctual hierarchical social structure that actual pack animals like dogs do. A cat with the capacities of a human is far more likely to oppose any abuses on the part of its owner or just strike out on its own. I do think this work brings up an interesting point: suddenly changing how you treat them because of this change due to human squeamishness would be more hurtful and confusing than liberating. Even in a human form they still have inhuman social mores and immediately thrusting an entirely alien moral framework onto them seems unhelpful at best. Most of these kind of stories don't address the dynamic over the long term and are just brief one-shots so there simply isn't enough time to explore the issue in the time frame it would require.

Yeah to pander to straight dudes thus why it employs the same tropes straight men write.

Also why are you always so unpleasant? Like literally nothing I've said here warrants your douchey "gotcha" tone you just seem to get off on being smug about incredibly petty shit.

Alright. Except Nekopara also has Azuki and Maple, who are not subservient in the least. It's almost like all cats are different.
Unpleasant, eh? Mayhaps if you looked at your reply to my completely innocuous comment about Nekopara, you might figure it out. "Straight dudes can't write X/lesbains can't write Y/bisexuals don't undertstand Z", all comments like that are toxic. You are acting toxic.

In the first place I only brought it up, because of the topic of owning sapient beings. Not to make some meaningless statement on how true cat-girls should behave. lol
Nekopara is one example of many (be it straight or gay fiction) where a sapient character is being treated like a pet or something to own. One of the inherent issues with animal girls across fiction really. I was bringing up Nekopara as a negative example of that, but you immediately fly off the handle. Sheesh.

Alright, I was being tongue in cheek with the "straight dudes don't understand cats" thing as a joking commentary on the way catgirls tend to be portrayed is divorced from how cats tend to behave in order to make them more "cute" but I can understand the tone not carrying over well in text. Though I think calling that sentiment "toxic" even if it were expressed in all sincerity is a bit of a stretch.

I do think Nekopara looks trashy though but you're right I was more caustic then necessary in expressing that so I apologize for that.

My original point though was specific to this trope of a pet becoming humanoid rather than to universes where people can own and buy sapient anthropomorphic animals. Like in this setting the simple difference of the relationship dynamic between a cat and its owner and a dog and its owner feels like it would have an impact on the moral quandaries it brings up.

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You haven't read Nekopara I take it then.

I don't read straight dude fetish garbage so no. Also, straight men don't understand cats which is why all of the catgirls they write are subservient moe blobs. Catra from the new She-Ra is a far more realistic and interesting take on what a catgirl would be like aka a volatile and smug gremlin.

You prefer gay girl fetish garbage instead, I know. (So do I anyway)
Just so you know, Nekopara is drawn and written by a woman by the way. Oopsie.

Yeah to pander to straight dudes thus why it employs the same tropes straight men write.

Also why are you always so unpleasant? Like literally nothing I've said here warrants your douchey "gotcha" tone you just seem to get off on being smug about incredibly petty shit.

I think that weirdness is more apparent with dogs because I've never met a cat that didn't very clearly feel it was the most important and powerful creature in the house.

You haven't read Nekopara I take it then.

I don't read straight dude fetish garbage so no. Also, straight men don't understand cats which is why all of the catgirls they write are subservient moe blobs. Catra from the new She-Ra is a far more realistic and interesting take on what a catgirl would be like aka a volatile and smug gremlin.

To quote Billy Ocean: "And suddenlyyyyyyyy, life has new meaning, to meeeeeeeeee~"

I love this trope a lot and it's high time it gets used more in yuri! Of course there are issues with master/owner relationships between two humans, but that topic didn't get shoved down our catmaws at all here. It was cute and heartfelt.

I think that weirdness is more apparent with dogs because I've never met a cat that didn't very clearly feel it was the most important and powerful creature in the house.

By the way:

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So it was a tan after all, not her natural skin color. Sigh. Someone give me back the time we wasted debating it.

Alright so the author just doesn't know how to draw a tan that clears that up I guess.

No, your eyes are just terrible, no worries.

This doesn't even make sense as a rebuttal you're just being an ass for the sake of it.

i acutally like the koko x myako ship i don´t think the myako x hana works at all
for me there´s two type of loli manga that works, the one´s that go maximum overdrive; and don´t give a fuck about anything like some itou hachi´s work
and the ones that tackles the subject in a more realistic way like yuzumori san or maybe hoshikawa ginza district
(by the way i enjoy both please don´t judge me im a simple man)
but with wataten i can´t suspend my disbelievef like i do with master an mel because the manga itself acknowledges that hana doesn´t fell confortalble dressing like that and finds miyako ´s behaviour creepy
but i can´t take it seriously either becuase the manga never deals with the issues that the manga itself presents
in my opinion the relationship between hana and miyako is by far the weakest part of the manga

Seriously this is basically a "Cute Girls Doing Cute Things" manga with noncommittal loli yuri tacked on instead of noncommittal regular yuri because that's the new trend.

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Hime's reaction to the guy was an expression of repulsion because of the lecherous way he checked out her body.

Well, that's not how I saw it, although this chapter does say that... but he's definitely 'into' her and that first flush of 'he's creepy' may have been because Akira's attracted to him and she (Hime) knows it. She sure is thinking about him a lot :/

And how else do you expect a tsun- to react to a boy she likes? "Get away from me you creep" is a traditional manga mating call!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/489/nick-young-confused-face-300x256-nqlyaa.jpg)

Didn't expect to see "Girl expresses outright disgust for a guy therefore she must be into him" in this community but I guess straight nonsense is literally inescapable.

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This is fucking adorable

I love it.

I can't help but roll my eyes at the pointless melodrama in this series... why am I still reading it. Kind of because it reminds me of Girlfriends but it's not nearly as good. Like I'm not even sure if it's yuri at all.

Like what is with her saying "We're not equal?" its so stupid.

This development has been pretty blatantly foreshadowed from the outset. Kurokawa has always put Fujishiro on a pedestal as a "princess" and viewed her as better than and apart from her it's completely unsurprising that she'd view herself as undeserving of being close to her. It's hardly like the author pulled this issue out of their ass for the sake of drama.

Exactly. Character development so far has rock-solid coherence. One wonders if the people complaining have actually read the previous chapters.

Lmao... I have read the past chapters. It still doesn't make sense. I get Kurokawa is insecure but they've been friends this entire time. Shouldn't they be past this? It's completely forced drama.

Why would they be past this? It's never even been meaningfully addressed. Kurokawa has had a deep-seated inferiority complex from the start and a makeover and the power of friendship aren't going to instantly resolve that. Her magically getting over her major emotional issues because of a few hugs and kind words is what would feel forced seeing as that's sure as hell not how low self-esteem works in reality. This drama flows pretty naturally from the established characterizations and I really don't see where you're getting the impression it's forced.

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I can't help but roll my eyes at the pointless melodrama in this series... why am I still reading it. Kind of because it reminds me of Girlfriends but it's not nearly as good. Like I'm not even sure if it's yuri at all.

Like what is with her saying "We're not equal?" its so stupid.

This development has been pretty blatantly foreshadowed from the outset. Kurokawa has always put Fujishiro on a pedestal as a "princess" and viewed her as better than and apart from her it's completely unsurprising that she'd view herself as undeserving of being close to her. It's hardly like the author pulled this issue out of their ass for the sake of drama.

God, this manga doesn't have a single likeable character.
Edit: also they should remove the glasses tag, this manga doesn't deserve it.

I gotta say I feel pretty much the exact opposite like I liked every character in this chapter.