And here I was making long respond... Yea, I checked japanese wiki too and it's pretty much as Shimapanda said. Also the fact that they just use pedophilia as their word for pedophilia isn't surprising me in the slightest.

I admit I only know that thing about shounen ai, cos my professor commented on it and I never heard about it again, so I was afraid I might be wrong or missing something, while I can't check it in any way. I'm glad someone could clear it up.

That thing about lolicon/shotacon was my wild guess. Seems like I was wrong. Again, my knowledge was limited, so I'm happy someone could confirm it.

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I just read it, http://www.yuricon.com/what-is-yuricon/#whatisyuri, and even here it says same thing I said:

"Shoujoai wasn’t ever really used in Japan – although they understood what was meant if western fans used it. If they did use the word, they meant it in the sense of adults who had a fetish for young girls."

Nevri, this is the thread I was talking about http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/6606-shoujo-ai-vs-yuri

I'll check it later.

as far as I know, lolicon and shotacon are a person who love young girls and boy, and shoujo ai and shounen ai are made by stupid westerners who don't want to use yuri and yaoi.

Ok, so about stupid westerners. That is exactly the irony of them making up those term. Little off topic example. If you ever heard about or practiced kendou, you probably heard word bokken. Word which doesn't exist. Americans who tried learn about it misread kanji and read it as bokken instead of bokutou. It caught on anyway, but Japaneses never use it.

Here happened similar thing. Some Americans tried to come up with japanese therm for boys love, so they joined words shounen (young boy) and ai (love) thinking it will be meaning boys love. But little they knew, that Japaneses actually already were using this term to refer to pedophiles. Hence confusion about those terms.

Oh, I totally forgot about lolicon and shotacon. If I understand correctly, both set of terms means basically the same: "person with preference for young boys/girls". The main difference is when and who uses it. Shota/lolicon are terms that anime/manga otakus are using, since they are actually abbreviation for shota/loli complex. We all knows that lolis and shotas character stereotype, so otakus concluded that characters who are into them are shotacons and lolicons. Basically the friendlier terms to say main character is a pedophile.

In news report or between no-otaku people, Japaneses while use shounen ai, since, let's be honest, who would seriously took reporter saying that police catch 40 years old lolicon?

EDIT/ Ok, I read that other thread. If you want to continue it, we can use it. Just post there instead of here.

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If I remember correctly, shoujo ai could be used in same manner, as someone loving young girls.

The definition of shoujo ai is "I'm a huge weeb who doesn't want to say yuri like everybody else".

I like that definition xD Not to mention yuri is such lovely word ;3

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Shounen ai is used to describe "someone who loves young boys" and it is usually assumed that this person is older than said boys. That is why Japanse rather use terms Yaoi or BL, because they don't have any negative implications.

If I remember correctly, shoujo ai could be used in same manner, as someone loving young girls.

At least its how I was taught.

Even worse, when you realize that terms shoujo ai and shounen ai actually means pedophile in Japanese...

I remember we talked about this in another thread, and no they don't mean that...

I studied japanese and my professor said Japanese use them in that context.

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I think he is just plain trolling, but I'll say it just in case:

If you are shoujo ai fan, then you are yuri fan, ergo, your argument (or w/e it was) is invalid. Yuri refers to all mangas focusing on lesbian(s) the same way Yaoi means all BL stories. The separation on shoujo ai (no R-rated scenes) and yuri (includes R-rated scenes) is pure made up by Americans. In Japan they use yuri to refer to both of them. Even worse, when you realize that terms shoujo ai and shounen ai actually means pedophile in Japanese...

"Half of them have problems" I was talking in general ;P

How about just enjoying the pic xD? Half of them have problems with realistic settings (not to mention weird anatomy).

I feel like it'd be funny if typical shonen romcom had a gay female mc instead

Now you made me wanting someone to write this xD

Also Centaur yuri could be nice

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I don't get have you can hate someone who does hard work for free, just so you can illegally read some manga. Unless you pay them, you have no rights to demand anything from them.

I totally love Natsuki's expression on this pic. It gives "I won't say I love you out loud, so just deal with the hug" kind of feeling.

I just finished No Game No Life and it totally should be on this list. The way relationship between Clammy and Feel (yes, that is a name) is shown just screams lesbians. Fi (it's how her name is shortened) even says stuff like "I want to be with you forever" and "As long as you are by my side, I don't mind my entire country being destroyed" (the way everyone reacts to that is priceless). They both have much less screen time than rest of the characters, but whenever they are on it, you get to see how close they are, so it's making shipping them even easier. By the end of the show, I actually thought that without a doubt, they will become a official couple in second season. According to how story progressed so far, they will definitely play much more important role there, so they will get more screen time and development.

Excluding yuri couple, all bath scenes are the best fanservice I've seen in ages, that actually openly mocks usual cliches while still giving you plenty "girls being close in bath" stuff. It's kinda spoiler, but scene where Shiro (main female character) washes and snuggles to Izuna's tail (girl from race of animal people) in bath is so freaking adorable I had to search for art with them immediately after seeing that (sadly couldn't find much). I know it won't happen in anime, but I ship them on cuteness level alone. Here is a pic so you can get a glimpse of what I'm talking about (still spoilery so you're looking at your own risk).

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I hate futanari, but I read this one out of curiosity. Have to say, it was so cute, that for once I didn't mind penis part (and it was actually important for the "plot" of this doujin) so great job artists!

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I'm glad I only watched episode 3 so far. Because if I was up to date on it, I'll probably couldn't keep calm for next 2 weeks. I'm going to wait until series finishes and I know how it ends. If it has het ending or anything like that, I'm not going to bother watching it.

It's kinda sad, that for some time now, I start to read last chapter first, in order to check if main characters will be together, so I won't wast my time and emotion. It might sound silly, but I'm really getting into the story and characters, so when at one point I got long streak of stories with "nice beginnings and shitty endings" I was left so emotionally exhausted, that I'm actually afraid to read/watch something and get emotionally invested only to get "bad" ending.

I know that this show wasn't promoted as any kind of yuri story, but from what I read here, I see it got pretty close to that. So If I were to start watching it now and it ended on het note or something, I know I'll get really angry.

What I actually wanted to say is that I highly doubt they are going to make it yuri, and since people point out that this is how novels go, I think that is how KyoAni will go too. But in all fairness, I'd point something those people miss. It's still adaptation and even if I personally prefer faithful adaptation, it doesn't mean that people adapting can't change stuff. How many novels adaptations are actually 100% accurate (and I talk about anime)? Even if it's how it went in novels, no one is telling KyoAni they can't change it. If they were to made a yuri ending, I'd actually applaud them. But yea, I'm still skeptical they are going to.

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Lol it's right xD

http://imgur.com/gJC5Yau
New New OTP

I love how where the other couple has fanboys, this couple has the guys going "time to back away slowly now".

Standard reaction to extreme masochists I'd say cough The Real Her cough

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http://imgur.com/gJC5Yau
New New OTP

Ha ha a M XD. "Please roll me over some moar!!!" x3

Nevri
Fluttering Feelings is moving along just fine, nothing in the characters' development has been unnecessary (ie. no pointless or useless drama).

I know. I like FF so far. I'm just tired in general of waiting for main characters to get together, so I can have finally some good couple life. I got hyped by art and collage life setting and I didn't mind slow progress at first, but now I just want to see them as a couple.

Ah, yes, collage life--the situations always get so sticky and the plots just seem pasted together somehow.

(Sorry, sorry, couldn't resist)

Not only did you take advantage of the convenient typo to make a fantastic pun, you also made the pun itself totally relevant to what the original meaning of the mistyped word was supposed to be, thus creating a great pun within a great pun.

Someone give this man a cookie.

Holy yuri. I didn't even notice I made a typo and didn't get the joke xD (I just read it as college in your comment too x3"). Thanks for pointing it out XD

Giving him a cookie <3

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Is it true they're already making a sequel? And that it have a male love interest for Elza...?

I think I heard that they indeed already are making a sequel.

About Elsa's love interest. Well Anna and Elsa loves each other only as sisters. Also Anna already has Kristoff, so it's kinda obvious Disney would try to get Elsa someone too. And I don't really see a problem with that.

Seems just the slightest bit unlikely Disney would endorse incestuous lesbians as canon. Just sayin'.

Not that I'd mind it xD. But yea. We are not there yet ;x

Is it just me... or is some of the MAL people comments in Hibike Euphonium discussions about yuri really blood boiling sometimes? Don't know why some of the comments feel like it's somewhat insulting yuri fans.

Sadly that is the norm on nearly all the internet.

It's pretty much unavoidable. But with regards to the show, if it's an open end we can fill in all the yuri blanks. :)

To be honest, we can fill all blanks even with "close" end, het end or w/e end. That is the reason people create doujins ;P

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Is it true they're already making a sequel? And that it have a male love interest for Elza...?

I think I heard that they indeed already are making a sequel.

About Elsa's love interest. Well Anna and Elsa loves each other only as sisters. Also Anna already has Kristoff, so it's kinda obvious Disney would try to get Elsa someone too. And I don't really see a problem with that.

Also I have this anime that I saw a while back too that I'm trying to remember the name but it ain't coming out xD

What it was about?

Thank you for you kind comment I'm glad that someone is finding use for this ;.;. And yeah I know exactly what you mean, specially when you also don't remember the name of an anime that had yuri in it and you literally don't go back to it till you by luck find it by accident and yeah there arent a lot of yuri anime lists out there.

Yea. That is the sole reason I made MAL account. Remembering what you watched/read is such pain. I finally got time to clearing my list up. Not to self. Never add everything to "plan to read" since you have no time to read it now to see if you like it or not. Checking and sorting 2k entires is no funny >.>.

cough, cough Anyway, great job on that list. I'll check it after I finish with my MAL and write here if I find anything that is worth mentioning. I have one suggestion, but I'm honestly not sure if I should recommend it.

Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo Right now I'm stuck in the middle. So far it has yuri all over the place, but in seriously fucked up world. All main characters are on female only island. On the other hand show has seriously dark and unpleasant tone. In first episode main character has her genitalia destroyed in order to prevent her from ever giving bird. Of course it isn't shown, but it sets tone well and is seriously disturbing when you think how logic that is in the context. I'd finish it first, so I could say is there any "yuri ending" and if it's worth getting through darker stuff, but I have no idea when will it be, so I'll just drop it here. Maybe someone here watched it and can say what happens after episode 12.

And no, I don't mean that like a euphemism.

You don't like tuna?