At the very least, Amane deserves a huge apology for all this shit. She did nothing wrong and was treated like shit. And she didn't even know why all this was happening.

You are 100% right, Amane was the one who was suffering the most by all of what happened

Implying Nene don't suffer as well. Girl struggling with herself with her feelings and don't know what to do.

Also, I still don't think Nene's feelings for Kou are the same as her feelings for Amane

Funny i think it's quite the same. I think she started to love her when she said she had a cute smile like she start to love Amane when she said the same thing. The problem Nene had is that she is possesive and just the smile of her loved one just being to her. She need to a long conversation with Amane and Kou by extension. I think the two of them can help Nene to overcome that.

Nene is not really a bad girl. She just have been repeated the same thing over and over when she was younger and so have low self estim about her smile so she putting the smile of her love one above all and can't bear having her loved one smiling for someone else. I hope i've been clear with my explanations.

Edit : Seriously, sometimes i feel like i'm always defending the unpopular opinion/character but man i will stiil defend Nene. All Amane have done is crying and rentlessly pour love into Nene when she was rejecting her. We know now Nene lie but what if it wasn't the case ?

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That was cute. Is she drinking out of LAB EQUIPMENT....?

Mad scientist. Gotta problem with that?

Any scientist worth their money (mad or otherwise) knows that you don't drink from lab equipment. You have to drink straight out of the bottle for the Doctor Pepper sponsorship

What about using an alcohol burner to heat salmon ?

Altought i'm happy we didn't get to see the whole 2 months of the girlfriend pretend, what now ? How did they gonna act now they made the promise ? I'm not sure of how Amane will react if they said they break up all of a sudden.

Pretty much the only way they could break up is by Kaoru's own decision.

That's the developpement she need. Story will go nowhere if Kaoru decide to accept this situation like she is in right now. The problem right now is who gonna beat some sense into her : Uta don't want to see her and Reiichi have done nothing beside cheating. Maybe Kuroe will be piss off and step in. She give me Masturi vibes so i can kinda feel it like it.

So, we have little girl messed up by stupid thing adults always tell her, along with the “no one should see my beloved smile but me” and “my love for her makes me hate both her and myself” yandere tropes.

That's the first time i see the second one or i might just erasemy memories of previous examples and for the first one well you said it yourself,she was just a kid so of course she'd believe what we said to her.

Solitary angst is no substitute for therapy, folks—see a professional.

Therapist doesn't exist in manga world, silly.

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Did you all forget that Momoji and Narumi are leaving together ?

We finally learn why Nene is so mean to Amane.Nene is not allowed to smile because blabla doll thingy but when she see Amane she fall in love. Here come the breaking point featuring Senpai but indirectly : Nene see the 1st place of Photo concours of Amane smiling and feel jealous that Amane smile for someone else and start to have bad thought about Amane. So she decide to break up because she don't want tothought badly of the one she love. As some guess, it's just a lie and she still love Amane deep down but the twist is she really love Kou too. Then Kou make her made a promise : If the picture Kou has take of them smiling win then Kou will tell the truth to Amane.

I really Kou in this chapter. She don't want to repeat the same mistakes as before and so take the lead to help her friends getting back together. Now it's mostly up to Amane to forgive Nene or not. I personnaly think she will but not if it's Kou who told her the truth but Nene herself. In the end, both Nene ships are still up with the Kou's one starting to sink a little.

Edit : Get rid of the spoiler since Chapter is out here

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Then what ? We let Kaoru being delusional and alone and nothing more. Right nowi don't see why Uta will go back even if she learn the cheating. I know you're not a fan of the KaorUta but unless tmnr said "lol reiichi not cheating lol, got'em" i can't see a good ending for Kaoru at all.

Although after Uta moves out I'm scared to see what will happen to Kaoru

I may repeat myself but the attempt suicide road is still possible.

You do, yes, and I'd say you've watched too many bad soap operas.

I never watch any soap operas. Why does that sound impossible given the circumstances ? She can't be much more at ground zero right now.

Uta moves on and finds someone else

She leave someone she love but hurt her in a not really mean way to go to someone she don't really appreciate and will probably hurt her more. Did i'm really an utopist to wish a Kaoru/Uta ending ?

Sadly moving on is just how life goes sometimes

I'm sorry but this page alone tell me Uta is not really over it. She may have said so but to me it's what she want to believe. I don't think that the news of Kaoru being left alone (aka Reiichi's (hypothecial for the moment)cheating) will not trigger her. I refuse to believe we will end on Kaoru accepting a pity marriage with a ccheating husband and Uta stop caring about Kaoru anymore.

Uta still love Kaoru and i'm pretty she will comeback as soon as she know Kaoru is in trouble with nobody to really help her. Unless tmnr pull the biggest twist and Reiichi doesn't cheat (which i don't believe), i can't bring myself to the Kaoru moving on and Reiichi/Kaoru living happily.

Well it does seem empty but at least it might lead this to a good ending

Define how Kaoru getting alone and depressed can be a good ending.

Although after Uta moves out I'm scared to see what will happen to Kaoru

I may repeat myself but the attempt suicide road is still possible.

Uta moves on and finds someone else

She leave someone she love but hurt her in a not really mean way to go to someone she don't really appreciate and will probably hurt her more. Did i'm really an utopist to wish a Kaoru/Uta ending ?

There are some pretty ominous chapter titles coming up and they go right along with the line from the end of Chapter 36: "No flowers bloom without passing through a storm." So we have "Summer Storm", some backstory chapters, "Their Trial", "Decision and Parting", and "Flowers after the Rain"... It kind of looks like there's could be a break-up and get back together arc coming up. There's definitely something going on with the girl who Chidori cut her hair over and who gave her chocolates on V-Day during their first year, which she then returned, but made Nanoha think that Chidori had a boyfriend up until right after Spring Break when she confessed. That was obviously the woman arriving at the airport or train station or whatever at the end of Chapter 36.

Yeah no, my best guess is that Chidori's ex comeback and try to make a move on her but Nanoha step in as Chidori's GF and Chidori cut definitely the ties with her ex.

Chapter 25 summary:

Risako and Uta’s conversation... goes nowhere. Like many people have guessed, it’s confirmed here that Risako is Reiichi’s ex. Nothing about the cheating gets revealed, and their small talk is cut short by Uta, who says she needs to prepare for her move. Some unimportant farewell party takes place and then at the end, as Uta says goodbye to Kaoru. the latter subconsciously reaches out and holds Uta back, but Uta pulls herself out of Kaoru’s grasp and leaves.

If the cheating is real then it's way worse if it's with his ex. Can you precise me one thing. It's a goodbye or a farewell ? Because a simple goodbye mean she stillwant to see her whereas a farewell mean she stick to her words and don't want to see Kaoru anymore. Also with your summary, it's just (again) a empty chapter. Nothing happen beside Kaoru being on the verge to make a big mistake.

Whaddya know, actually airing things out with your SO in good faith might not be a bad thing to try in a relationship?

Never been on a relationship so i can't relate.

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Well, i don't know if call a biochemist for quantum physic problem is a good idea but you do with what you have.

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This is personal opinion, but I also think the side pairing here is unique and interesting in its own right.

Kuroe is just a high level Tsundere who can't even thought she can be in love. I don't really like Kuroe so i don't really care about her couple but whatever, ifshe is happy like that.

Kuro is a treasure, get out of here!!!!!

She is just a brat to me but that's my personal opinion.

Frank reactions like Kuro's are so refreshing.

I guess the mysterious woman was Madam Maybe-I-Cheated-with-your-bro. Anything could happen. Or nothing.

Well yes but no. I can't read japanese so i can't understand what they talking about but i think it's mostly about Kaoru also last page of chap 25 for more fun https://i.imgur.com/8YAVjqX.jpg and a shot where something big has been drop https://i.imgur.com/zt3WvpW.jpg

This is personal opinion, but I also think the side pairing here is unique and interesting in its own right.

Kuroe is just a high level Tsundere who can't even thought she can be in love. I don't really like Kuroe so i don't really care about her couple but whatever, ifshe is happy like that.

necrophilia needed?

That would be going a bit too far, methinks. This ain't ´Sexy Losers´ yet.

And Mimi seem really alive to me.

I don't get why people don't like a side couple, the development of people around the main character also develops the main character...

Most of the time is because i can't stand the side couple going further than where the MC are. Sometime like in Futarabeya i end bear with it because i've seen the light but here where it's a slowburn, a chapter not focus on MCs is potentially a chapter where the story don't move and it's kinda true with this chapter.

Science has uncovered the following:
(https://i.imgur.com/oFevCwR.jpg)

And people wonder why young lesbians are perpetually confused.

Lesbiens can time travel ? Ah shoot, is it too late if i change sex and found a GF ?

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I wonder if people who threw her in a bag knew about this secret, or are they just rude?

Well i mean, after seeing her getting beaten that badly and get healed in no times they will get suspiscious or they really think the nurse is really powerful.

So like i said after seeing the raws, nothing interesting happened. I don't care that much about those twos to be happy for them. At least there will be one happy couple in this story in the end.

I've been saying that probably since the beginning, but whoever decided Uta x Kaoru is endgame? I don't see any happy end as of now, only lesser evils. And a suicide attempt is not a way to get anything stable going.

That's why i use an If it's this endgame. I'm not sure myself if tmnr will choose this endgame even if i personnallyn see this as the "best" happy end we can have. Uta can probably rebound for that but i don't see how Kaoru will rebound at all unless we have someone coming for her, was it a girl or a boy. Also i don't say Kaoru will attempt suicide for trying to bring back Uta to her but she will attempt because she will be at wit's end.

Reiichi went a long way for Kaoru, but he is also painfully passive. I would definitely not believe that he would ever abandon her or let her knowingly suffer.

Then why cheat on her ? You know your wife has no family and you marry her because you don't want her to be alone. Cheat on her is the last thing you want to do because you know it will hurt her the most. Not only the one she love marry her by what you can call pity but he also cheat on you and hide it. What kind of good this relation can have ? Said like this it feel like a one sided love.

I'm going further here, even if there is undeniable proof of him cheating (which we cannot be sure of) Reiichi would not abandon Kaoru. This marriage is not based on pure love, but mostly on Reiichi not wanting to abandon Kaoru.

If Kaoru decide to forgive him for that than i will drop the manga or at least not care anymore of what happen to Kaoru. If you choose to still love someone who cheat on you and only marry you out of pity then go ahead but don't blame anyone for getting hurt.

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I think your biggest mistake actually is to jump to suicide. There is absolutely no hint for Kaoru having any suicidal tendencies.

I know but honestly if the endgame is really Uta X Kaoru, i don't really think the cheating will be enough to bring back Uta to rethink her position. It's quite the big leap but if Tmnr have some balls, we can get to that. I can't call myself at all a expert in suicide but iirc some peoples don't show suicidal tendencies before doing it.

There is not even any way to predict how Reiichi will react or what will happen if she really does confront him. Everyone seems to already assume somehow that he will leave her or ignore her.

I think that's the biggest flow in my plan of events. It's pretty sure Reiichi will deny it unless he have really plan to break with Kaoru which i don't really think it's possible right now. What i think will happen is that Kaoru will ask someone of Reiichi's company about Reiichi supossing going overseas and will try to corner him to get the turth.

^ This is an extremely weird take on personal responsibility—Uta is doing what by most reasonable standards she should have done long ago: taking herself out of an emotionally painful, no-win situation and trying to move on with her life.

Rather than “running away” from a problem that she has the power to resolve, Uta is making a mature choice—one that is considerably more mature than many of the choices made by the supposed “adults” in the story.

Having confessed and been rejected, Uta has no responsibility to ensure that “Kaoru will be ok.” If anyone has that responsibility, it’s her husband—lol.

Yeah but to the point of not seeing her again is a bit excessive to me. That she want to live with her is one thing i can understand, that she don't want to see her again is another that i can't. She think that it's ok between her brother and Kaoru when it's not. I know it's behind her knowledge but still. But the husband already told Uta to get along with Kaoru because they seem distant but why they're distant is behind what he know.He just know they have some fight and the only thing he can do is trying to get thel going along.

The whole problem here is that everybody hide something to the others and the whole situation can't be resolved without one of them finding the secret. What Uta have done could have been good if we know that Kaoru will be happy with that but she have to deal with her husband's cheating and her sister in law who she still appreciate is leaving.

Yes Kaoru not dealing with the cheating is a bad move but i'm supossing it will have be no good to have Uta still here when she learn it because Kaoru couldn't have been lonely if Uta was still here so her leaving is needed in order to bring Kaoru back to reality. The one she love don't love her anymore and she reject the one she love her. I still maintain that the next big thing happening beside Kaoru finally learning about cheating is her suicide attempt after that.

I think it will go like this ( don't quote me on that) :

• Kaoru learn about her husband cheating either by confront him and or seeing him with his mistress.

• Kaoru is devasted and became depressed

• Uta seem to going fine with her family but still miss Kaoru (uncertain part here)

• Kaoru attemp suicide because she don't have a family anymore and fail (hopefully or either Tmnr have big balls)

• Uta learn about the suicide and the cheating. Despite saying to Korue she wasn't coming back seeing Kaoru, she does come back.

After that it's everybody guess.Can't be sure Kaoru will all of sudden accept Uta's feeling, neither Uta still having feelings. But with the pathing we had, it maybe not happening before next year.

While Lilliwyt's claim of Uta "running away" is weirdly put

Yeah, as you can have guess writing is not really my forte and english is not my mother tongue so it can be possible i made mistakes in my choice of world.

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