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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

The author seems to be impling that Akiho is totally overreacting to Fuuka's situation, because of some humorous misunderstanding, but other than getting the neighbors' genders mixed up, she is dead on. It might be my overactive inner social justice warrior talking but it seems to imply that It's no big deal, that Fuuka is being sexually harassed because it's women doing it.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, the whole premise of this manga is a woman being sexually harassed by anothe woman is comedy gold.

Literally the whole point of outrageous humour is to do things that go against conventional expectations and norms.
"Oh they're doing a mum-and-child routine, she's gonna ask for something cute like a hug or somet-NOPE SHE WANTS TIDDY MILK!"

Some people just take this stuff waaaaay too seriously, like it's awful that there's anything in the world that mentions an improper way of doing things regardless of context. The medium of fictional storytelling is inherently a proper context for all kinds of irrational bass-aackwards nonsense unless otherwise specified, and that's how to properly consider it by default.

Anyone looking to manga to learn about how to be a person is being dumb, and it's not the author's fault they're dumb.
So why's it wrong to have something in said manga that doesn't work in real life?

BoobTwinkler
LoveLetter discussion 27 Jan 02:03
Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Saying they were "using" someone else's feelings is kind of disingenuous imo. It's not like the person who wrote the letter is gonna find out what they did with it, their feelings are perfectly fine and no harm done.

They don't even know who wrote it at the time so it's not like they're doing it with "them" in mind and ridiculing them or anything.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I'm (spiritually) in this manga and I don't like it.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I'm sorry, like, I dunno how many times I can say this explicitly? I never said her attraction to Satou was subtextual. I said Hinako being a gay person is subtextual.

I absolutely under no circumstances think she won't end up in a romance with Satou. I'm talking about her general identity and romance patterns.
Thanks, this is exactly what I mean, phrased more concisely. I'd add, her general issues are so related to being gay ("Forcing myself to be a normal woman isn't working!"), I have a hard time imagining her overcoming those issues without, at some point, confronting her sexuality.

Well, but this is kind of my point. Would Japanese readers be more likely to find it rude to talk about the specific way you're not normal, even in a story that celebrates not being normal? That is, the yuri readers want yuri, but they might bristle at talking about that stuff out loud? If it's just an ineffable "I like sempai even though we're both girls!" then it's ambiguous and vague. If it's "yo what's up I'm a lesbian," it makes things concrete.

You have to keep in mind that the premise is set in Japan with a "typical" japanese woman as main character.
Japan isn't anywhere near big on LGBTQ knowledge, it's entirely plausible for the thought of being explicitly lesbian to have never even occurred to her, realistic even. Over there, being any kind of alternate sexuality is a very foreign concept that's more associated with the western world and normal japanese people rarely run in to it in real life.

The whole idea of the story is that a "normal" woman starts a journey of self-discovery (prompted by encountering another woman who makes her incredibly happy to be around for some reason) and slowly coming to understand herself better as she is rather than as what she thought she had to be according to society and the people around her.

Her character's entire conflict is that she's been obsessed with being "normal" and finding "normal happiness", the only reason she's breaking away from it now is that she's had enough experience to conclude that she's "too broken to be normal" and it's prompted her to re-evaluate herself and her views. If anything it would be very odd for her character to conclude something as outlandish as "maybe I'm gay" without some very drastic cause.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

No kidding. It caught me completely off-guard when the date they were trying to set her up with was the most boringly normal guy imaginable and not an ikemen as this kind of narrative usually dictates. It was a nice touch.

Well, there was that good ikemen guy in the first chapter already. So they already did that, but based on her reaction and refusal to start dating him, they probably figured he wasn't her type.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/crescent_moon_and_doughnuts_ch01#5

It's not unrealistic for a beautiful woman to find and go out with an equally beautiful man who seems great in general though, it's only unrealistic for it to be every guy the beautiful woman ever finds. In this case I feel there was even a good reason to have him be so great.

The first guy was likely only so perfect to illustrate that the main character's issues with dating men is not simply about finding someone good enough, since it couldn't work even with such a perfect nice guy. It makes clear from the outset that her "solution" to finding happiness in all likelihood lays elsewhere and she has greater reason to be open to outside-the-box thinking than she was previously while she genuinely believed finding the right man would make her happy.

It basically skips us past the whole "Maybe I just need to try a better man" stage of her life in favour of immediately getting to the point of the "Men don't make me happy, how do I become happy?" question. (To which the answer is beautiful fluffy yuri hugs and kisses~)

Personally I like how the author did it a lot, but YMMV. ^^

last edited at Jan 22, 2020 4:18AM

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Cool point of view! Never thought it that way. Guess it's kinda hard to judge characters when the POV character is a self hating girl with...persecution complex?

It's a bit vague if what she fears is potential persecution or if it's the more-encompassing-but-vaguely-defined idea that "someone who doesn't conform can't be happy" which she seems to have. She's never elaborated on how she believes it would manifest in detail so it's a bit tricky to pinpoint if she's being paranoid about becoming persecuted or if she's just being a depressive-pessimist in general.

I definitely feel she seems to have depression though, only written through a lens of Japan's culturally different understanding of the condition.

I do wonder though if her somewhat irrational idea of what a woman has to be or bad things will happen is based entirely on previous experiences or if there's any basis in a psychosis, considering the likely depression.

DISCLAIMER: Lots of hypothetical speculation up there, could be all hogwash or maybe not. Who knows? \o/

last edited at Jan 22, 2020 3:58AM

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Ladies and gents, we've got a threesome. \o/

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Aside from all the fluffy and sugary reasons this story is great, what I'm really appreciating so far is how it shows everyone else in the story as just normal people as well. The men aren't predatory shallow assholes, the friends aren't jerks trying to peer pressure her into being normal and her male "love interests" aren't perfect specimens of japanese ideals or stereotypes.

People come off as insensitive or "mean" almost exclusively due to the main character's insecurities leading to assumptions and self-imagined peer pressure rather than any actual malice or agendas on anyone's part.

It's so refreshing to see a story that shows everyone, even the people "inducing peer pressure" as just normal people trying their best and being normal flawed people. The friends come off seeming like shallow bitches only because of the narrative, and you can tell that from a less biased viewpoint they're probably just normal girls hanging out with their like-minded friends without knowing that one of them is secretly miserable only because she won't tell them about it.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Sooooo what's FWB?

Friends with benefits.
IE friends who hold hands.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Tsuki is right though; whereas in the west the catch-all term is "submissive" despite it having specific connotations, in Japan the catch-all is masochist, or M.

I wasn't arguing otherwise, merely against the assessment that the character is not a masochist because she didn't explicitly get off on physical pain in the chapter or because "masochist" is often used "incorrectly" in japan.

One could make the case that humiliation and submission inflict forms of emotional "pain" and therefor that enjoying them is "enjoying pain" in a sense, making the terms "Submissive" and "Masochist" parasynonyms in both cultures. While not technically synonyms, it's not strictly inaccurate to use them interchangeably.

last edited at Jan 16, 2020 3:06PM

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I'm in this manga and I don't like it.

How incredibly ironic considering it's about an exhibitionist. :P

Given that humiliation tends to be about ego-reduction and making someone 'smaller' mentally, allowing them to be more easily controlled, yeah, i'd say she's submissive to a heavy degree, and not really a masochist.

Just because she isn't literally indulging in some kind of "painful" play in the chapter doesn't mean she's not a masochist.
The title+context make it clear that regardless of whether the chapter explicitly enacts it or not she's intended to be a masochist, and that's all the confirmation/evidence that's required unless something which actively contradicts that claim takes place to bring it into question.

Absence of explicit confirmation does not equal confirmation of the claim being wrong.

last edited at Jan 16, 2020 12:01PM

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I have never wanted a catgirl more than right now T_T

BoobTwinkler
Fuwari discussion 30 Dec 06:52
Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

This art and the girls give me serious Inugami-san and Nekoyama-san vibes.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I need a Nagi. Someone please give me a Nagi.

I'm not a girl but I'll go through surgery if it gets me a Nagi.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

BIG. GAY. MESS. (ノ`Д´)ノ~┻━┻

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

eh. itd be pretty disappointing if it was with some character who showed up 60 chapters in. im not against poly stuff, but I am when it hasn't even been remotely hinted at for the majority of the comic.

May I introduce you to Komi-san Wa Komyushou Desu and the trinity of threesome destiny known as Tadano x Komi x Manbagi? The last of whom was introduced 131 chapters into the series.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

NANOHA IS SUCH A DORK. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

New girl is really sweet and really deserves a love of her own though. Mayhaps Okitsu-sempai?

Or maybe go the Komi-san route and set up a legit a 3way relationship? I don't get the feeling this author would go for that though, the lead two are way too single-mindedly into each other.

last edited at Dec 8, 2019 3:15AM

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I feel like I could just copy/paste this same sentiment each chapter and it'll still be accurate.

Never have I ever seen a girl more worthy of the moniker "BIG GAY MESS" than this pinkette.
Teach, I'mma need you to get right on that with hugs, headpats and lots of gay sex like yesterday please.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

While I enjoyed this and find the ending decent enough considering its abruptness, I'mma just go ahead and assume they all eventually end up moving in together with her and accept a happily-ever-after polyamorous relationship.

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

So lewd... but so wholesome! BUT SO LEWD! ...BUT SO WHOLESOME!!

Confirmed not a succubus because she doesn't have the horns?

Technically there's still nothing stopping her from being some sort of quasi-succubus no matter what common trait she turns out to lack. At the end of the day, the author could always just settle for revealing that the only succubus part she got was the induce-horny ability. Not saying it's the case but there's really no such thing as "confirmed" anything until an author definitively and explicitly states something for a fact. Technically nothing has actually been proven either way.

One could actually argue she's literally a succubus anyways despite not being of the succubus species, since what defines one as a "succubus" is really just being humanoid and having a seemingly superhuman ability to induce lust and desire in other people beyond mere visual appeal. Hers may not be biological like the sensei's, but she definitely has the ability albeit in a more abstract form. One could even say in a way that she's the truest succubus there is, someone who just has the powers without being limited to rhyme, reason or the rules of biology or magic. ^^

She just provokes horniness in people without it having to be defined through biology or somesuch medium.

last edited at Nov 17, 2019 12:28AM

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I feel like there's enough horny monster girls looking for gay sex in this school by now that they realistically should just bunch up in a room somewhere and have an orgy already. Like, what's stopping them? There are clearly enough interested parties looking to do it who know each other hanging about.

These lesbian monsters are useless! D:<

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Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

Girl has no right arm.
"Hates it when people are too considerate, but also wants to be spoiled."

...Jesus Christ. Good thing she's gay as a rainbow 'cus I don't think a man could handle that level of mixed signals.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

It lives! The best yuri manga ever made continues! Hooray~

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

I thought she was a dullahan though?

still a ghost

Dullahans aren't ghosts, they're closer to zombies physically speaking. (Typically. Manga usually don't even keep that and just make them headless normal people.) You might be confusing her for the actual ghost girl who appeared 2-4 chapters back.

last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:39AM

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

...JurixJuri yuri.

The world needs more Juri porn, she's one of the hottest babes ever conceived. Both classic and modern Juri together? Now that's divine shit right there.

Also, "Do some Abnormal Play 0/100."
Neither belly-button tongue-fucking into orgasm nor literally fucking a copy of yourself counted as abnormal play? These poor lucky girls must have gotten really creative to get out in the end.