KitKat101
It's not too late, so if you still want do it now, and while on it also reply all the rest, we'll wait. o7

dofudofu
Neither of those things are bad, so might as well use them to get some bitches.

Azai and GraciousLlama
Nice words, I agree that when in doubt people should just try new things, just open themselves and let everything come inside... That sounded less perverted in my mind.

Heh, now we're talking about our experiences? Truth be told, 27 already and I never did anything with anyone, never found someone who really got my interest, neither I felt it was necessary to do anything with anyone, so not completely sure what I am, well, besides that I'm a little girl at heart.

Newp
Not as much as you think, but you could make sure if we talked somewhere else. \ (TvT) /

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GraciousLlama
yup, just go and choose in the list what you want to be in our ship.

sia ue
Yeah I'm sure it was her, it's so hard to believe? xD

Newp
Aaaw you're welcome, when in doubt you just need to ask and I'll remember you that you're really super fucking gay at heart, so go get some bitches.

dofudofu
Sometimes the hole is synthetic too, I never made haiku before. (T^T)

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Newp
I agree with dofudofu, if you're in doubt go and try it, you won't lose anything, so better try and see if you can have yuri life, go have for us who can't, not to mention that, sometimes gender is meaningless, in the end like some say, a hole is a hole.

queerturtle
I'm not saying that as an excuse of course, but sometimes it's hard to properly say what you want in a text, for some people who are more passional in their opinion it's sometimes hard to make a post without sounding agressive in some way, even I have some difficulty when making my posts, yeah she could write them better, but if you was in a real time chat with you would see she's not really like that, yeah she might have done those other posts like that on purpose, but at least they also have argument, believe me, there's people way worse, she's just a little rough, rough is good sometimes. (´owo`)

dofudofu
Haha, true, being as man is not as good as some people think, we stink and we're hairy, not to mention other problems, if I could would be a cute little lesbian without any doubt, and of course all straight guys say that, yuri is the truth of the world, so of course all man are lesbians at heart, though in my case just being cuter and androgynous would already be good. (T^T)

GraciousLlama
Yeah I know something like that, though sometimes people think that anyone short suffers from little dog syndrome.

Azai
Haha, okay, okay, you're going to be a Striker, now go hunt for more people to our side, or you and anyone else can have a look at this site http://pirates.hegewisch.net/capcrew.html and chose what they want to be, but I'm The Captain already.

sia ue,
Saw the post, I get what you mean, but I would make argument about the story instead.

queerturtle
I know what you mean, though she did have a few fights with some people she's not bad as it can look like, she's sometimes sound kind of aggressive and passional, but posts don't always make justice to some people, if you talk with her in real time you would see she's actually nice.

As the rest of the talk, not sure if I'll reply everything, I'm short but not enough to use children cloth, at least I don't think I use any children cloth, yeah I'm not sure about what cloths I have here, though I do have pretty small feet, not that I'm cute enough to use them anyway, as for all the lesbian talk, can't be part of it, I'm lesbian only at heart, not enough. (T^T)

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Azai
I'm putting myself as captain of Team Pink ship, you won't get promotion unless those two come to our side. o7

queerturtle
The talk was good, better than it could ever go by using posts, not sure if there's anything to say, we just have our views, we agree in some things, disagree in others, nothing that I didn't expect, we just talked properly since with posts we can easily have misunderstandings, halmoni is not bad to talk with as some people seen to think.

sia ue
Tumblr ask is not good for discussions so I wouldn't make a post there, why you think it was my style? I don't even know what post you mean.

I also stopped growing pretty young, 16 or 17, maybe earlier, it's hard to remember since it was long ago, n-not that I'm much old, I'm just 20 after all, totally... Anyway! But it's not a bad thing being short, you guys know what people say, the best perfumes stay in small bottles.

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sia ue
Sorry to disappoint, but I didn't make any kind of post, we talked using tumblr chat.

And man, don't have idea how or if I should reply to the rest you all said. (T^T)

Haha, you guys, I go discuss with halmoni and there's a bunch of new posts, no brakes in this thread as always.

So, since queerturtle mentioned Madoka, Team Pink alternate name should be Team Despair or Team Suffering? After all it's what Seju has in her way, she's probably going to suffer a lot more before things get better after all.

Also, I'm Team Pink all the way, psycho or not, even if she do something I don't agree with, I'll never abandon her, if this ship sinks, which means she dies in the end, than I'll happily sink with it,

As for height, I'm also pretty short, I think I'm still 1,65cm, compared to most people I know I'm kind of short, but at least I do look kind of younger, that's why I'm always saying I'm 20, turning 20 for the 7th time this year, unless I have a beard, then I look older and like a hobo.

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Now about the story, even if Seju haters use only facts, we can't forget that the story is from Sumin point of view, we barely know anything about Seju, most of the things we have is speculation.

About Seju feeling guilty, I don't remember very well but if I'm not mistaken she does feel guilty for the cheating, but that was 10 years ago so it doesn't matter that much anymore, I do agree that she probably doesn't feel guilty for telling the redhead fiance about what she was doing, now for sleeping with Nami there's nothing for her to feel guilty about, they're both two single and adults, their reasons are questionable, but what they're doing is not wrong, also, Seju haters talk about her not feeling guilty for those 3 things, but they completely ignore that even if she doesn't feel guity for any of them, Sumin hurt Seju on purpose for the last 10 years and never felt guilty for that either, one is not better than the other.

Now about Seju doing something wrong or not, yeah I don't think she did anything wrong, her reason for telling the redhead husband about the cheating and why she's going sleep with Nami might be wrong depending on how you see things, but it's very arguable if doing those things are wrong, but there's a catch in that, I say the same for Sumin, I don't think she did anything that is really is wrong and we can argue if they are or not, what I see is two characters with lots of baggage doing questionable or shitty choices, but I don't see that as they're doing bad or wrong things, maybe I was not clear, but I don't believe in black and white morality/thinking, I believe that some actions can be both good and bad at the same time or neither, so yeah, I don't think they did anything bad or wrong, but that doesn't mean I think what they did can automatically be considered good or right, but I guess it's imposible for Seju haters to understand that since for them it's all black and white, Seju = evil and Sumin = good, which is stupid since that's not how the story is.

Now about idealizing Seju, sorry but at least I never did that, all I'm doing is trying to see both characters in a neutral way, maybe I'm being too generous and seeing than as too good, I won't deny that, but one is definitely not bad than the other, why one need to be good and the other bad? That's nonsense, the biggest problem when they say that is that it's completely hypocritical, from the start they outright demonized Seju and you can see that in old posts on this very thread, maybe we're wrong, true, but that doesn't make them right either.

On my opinion there's two ways to see the story, either you see both Seju and Sumin as two people who did bad and wrong choices, or see them as two damaged humans with lots of baggage and problems who do questinable choices because they can't let go of the past, I don't really mind that Seju haters don't like her, I understand their arguments, my problem with them is that most think Seju is evil while Sumin is a saint who never did anything wrong even though the story made very clear that neither is better than the other, cause it's very easy to see Seju as evil and manipulative when you outright ignore Sumin side of the story and try to make mental gymnastics to justify anything she does while there's no justification for what Seju does.

About discussions in other places, I noticed that most places doesn't have real discussions, instead it's a war between people divided between pairings or about those who hate a character against those who like the character.

halmoni
Well, I never talked shit about you, I might not agree with you, but I never tried to offend you in any way, if you did felt offended sorry then, cause it was not my intention, making a discussion on your tumblr is not fair because that is your domain, so it need to be in a neutral place like Dynasty.

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Nezchan
Well most of us know who were talking about and that person knows were talking about her, so I don't see why we should continue with this, but since it's how you want things I'll continue with it, sorry if it causes any problem, I won't do it anymore.

KitKat101
Yeah you're right, I shouldn't generalize, had to write in a hurry since I was at work so didn't notice it, not a excuse though, sorry if I offended. (T^T)

dofudofu
Well, I won't say it again or give the tumblr, but if you go read first pages of the thread you can guess who it is, the tumblr is the name of the person, so it's not hard to discover who it is and it's tumblr.

I'm at work so just a quick reply, Fate/Stay Night anime was not very good, but you can't say it was bad, unlike Tsukihime anime that was horrible, if you really want to see their story you need to play their Visual Novel that are very good.

As for the rest of the discussion, she's not Lord Voldermot so I don't see why we can't say we're talking about Voldemort, for those who want to see what she said just go see her tumblr, just scroll down a bit and you'll see it, I'm thinking on my reply but I can't make it for now so you guys have to wait, but what I can say is that it's easy for Voldemort to attack us in a place where we can't defend ourselves and where all her followers will agree with her.

Also, she and her followers are basically talking and attacking us in there, guess it's easier than come here and make an argument, bet they will talk about this post I just made too.

last edited at Mar 31, 2016 4:36PM by Nezchan

dofudofu
Nice name, but yeah, more than three names won't work, it's another reason why hair color works better I guess?

sia ue
See what I meant? Just by having their name for Sumin x Sungji, Team Leader, we easily created name for Seju x Sumin and Seju x Nami, Team President and Director, better than the names they had, that's how a real dedicated fandom works, that's why real yuri discussions are only on Dynasty.

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sia ue
What I noticed with the years in shipping, is that they pretty much always follow a pattern since they're all from the same serie, one of the most common way of naming ships is mixing both names, like Touhou for example, Reimu x Yukari or YukaReimu Marisa x Alice or MariAri, you can see all the pairings here, using a mix of names is the most basic naming that can be used, when it's about with who they want the main character to end up with, sometimes they name it after the love interest or after some detail of the love interest, like how we're doing here with the hair, in other series they create some more fancy or symbolic names, I remember seeing that for Precure, don't remember which one, pretty much anything is valid, I can't really say that they're wrong, but if you go see any big dedicated fandom like Touhou, Precure, Kantai and so on, they always follow a pattern, so if Sumin x Sungji is Team Leader, Seju x Sumin should be Team President, the problem in that is, how to name Seju x Nami? That's why hair color is more practical.

Just you know, Team Rainbow and Green are more like joke teams that I made, don't really need to take them serious, if you want you can show to people the names we use here, maybe even give them link of our discussion too.

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sia ue
Well, I don't think she sleeping with Nami or why should lower your expectations, I think you should wait to see what she's going to do after they do it, like how she will act with Sumin, if she'll rub it in her face or something then I agree with you.

People on facebook are dumb then, that's not how ship naming works, you don't make random names for each ship, you name them using a point they all have in common, in this case we're using their hair colors, Blonde is because of people who want Sumin end up with Sungji, Blue because of those who want Seju end up with Nami, and so on.

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KitKat101 and anyone else who didn't see it before, those are the teams we have:

Team Blonde = It started because of those who wanted Sumin to end up with Sungji, the story made more than clear that Sumin will be really happy with Sungji, those who are on Sungji side also want her to end up with Sumin, so I think we should put them in the same team

Team Pink = It's pretty much sure Seju won't end up with Sumin, so all we can do is want her happiness being single

Team Black = I think this should be threesome ending because we don't have enough chapters to see Seju and Sungji falling in love with each other, they already love Sumin, so I think Black fits because Sumin is the one getting both, also, Black is the mix of all colors, so it kind of fits because of that too

Team Blue = Is Seju x Nami, don't really need explanation

Team Rose Pink = It would be Seju x Sumin, because it's like a rose finally blooming after enduring a really harsh winter, but we know it's very unlikely

Team Green = Both Team Blonde and Blue happened, they'll end up as a big happy super gay family who together have adult fun every night

Team Rainbow = Don't care about any of them or care about all of them equally, either way as long as they're super gay and happy you're happy.

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dofudofu
Yeah, saying that their relationship was not serious is not right, rather than it was not serious, I would say that it is but Sumin is not really completely invested on it, because all she does is just ignore her problems with Seju, if she didn't do that I don't think she would be able to have her relationship with Sungji because she can't think properly while Seju is on her mind, I don't know what to expect if she reacts bad, need to wait and see.

And I agree if Seju ever became psycho, I don't think there's much she can do, it's sure Sungji won't cheat on Sumin, so I find it easier that she will make Sumin do something bad, like sleep with Seju again and Sungji finding it later, it's why I think she need to sleep with Nami right now, she must be extremely frustrated, sleeping with Nami would do wonders for her mind.

sia ue
Hey, don't worry, talk about how many will stay on Seju side if she becomes psycho is a good topic, I think that either way people would still like her, everyone loves pink haired psychos, I think it all depends on what she does, Seju is just too much passive, the only person who really affects her is Nami, so if anything I think the only things she might try to do is all indirect and just questionable, like sleeping with Nami right now, rather than psycho, I think it's easier for Seju to become unstable and start to break down, maybe even fall on her knees and beg for Sumin to chose her.

As for sleeping with Nami, it actually does make sense, because it's pretty much the only way to get a reaction from Sumin, Seju would never sleep with someone else, I think what they're trying to do is see if Sumin still has feelings for Seju, it's a good way actually, not bad, wrong or evil, but their reasons are definitely questionable, why does this lower than in your mind? Not like any of them can really get lower, except Sungji.

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KitKat101
The problem is, it doesn't matter if Sumin was happy, as soon as she found other that she was the other one with who the redhead was cheating on her husband, how do you think Sumin would look back and feel about all the memories they had together? All that happiness would turn into bitterness, I really get what you mean, but think like this, the longer she stayed with the redhead the happier she would be right? The problem in that is that the later she found out about her fiance or husband, the more hurt she would get, I think that for anyone in the same situation, how much they would get hurt would be proportional to how much happiness and investiment they had in that relationship, you get what I mean? I'm not saying that how Seju did was not wrong, there's not much arguing that, I just can't see it as just a way to hurt Sumin and have her back, especially because she knows Sumin would come back sooner or later, I see that as a way to save her of something worse, unfortunately the way she did was pretty bad, but if you was in Sumin place, can you imagine how much it would hurt to find after months or years later what the redhead did? Things like that easily destroy the value of any happy moments they had, so I don't see any reward for Sumin staying in a relationship where all that happiness would lose it's value later.

Seju x Sumin is Team Rose Pink, because it's like a rose finally blooming after enduring a really harsh winter, gosh I'm so poetic~~, I chose the name since we were not getting anywhere with it, I do think they still have a small chanche, but that would be pretty much in the end of the serie after they finally dealt with all their problems, if they didn't had Sungji and Nami in their lifes they would never change, it was guaranteed that they would never be together again because of how things were for them, but now that Sungji and Nami are finally making them move on, depending on how things go I think it could happen, but I find difficult since Sumin would have to break up with Sungji, that's why I think threesome ending, Team Black, is easier.

Haha, I suspect that Seju is The Eternal Bottom, but of course taking in account how her relationship with Nami is, I wouldn't be surprised if Nami, the one who hits on any woman, even her friend girlfriend Sungji, if she really is in love with Seju, I can actually see her being all submissive, I really can't say how things will go because Seju is not all submissive when Nami is around, that's why I think that either she'll just stop hating Nami or that her hate will turn into possessive dominant love and put Nami on a leash like a bitch in heat who need lots of love and training.

dofudofu and KitKat101
Haha, the story is pretty ero, I don't think there's any problem with being explicit, rather than sitting on Nami face, I actually think Seju will give her a rough kiss while merciless using her magic fingers on her, so I don't think Nami will even have time to try talk, of course that is if Seju stops being The Eternal Bottom, if it was not for her hate and rough relationship with Nami I wouldn't even think it was possible, but I guess with a relationship like that everything they'll do will be more unpredictable and rough, if you get what I mean.

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KitKat101
Oh, okay then, I do get what you mean, but can we really say Sumin would be happy? Sure they would have a relationship for who know how long, but she would find one way or another that her girlfriend had a fiance or even husband if their relationship lasted long enough, she would get a lot more hurt later, I think I said before, but I won't deny that part of the reason Seju told the redhead fiance was to end their relationship, but you remember what the redhead said right? She wanted both, you really think in the long run Sumin would be happy with her? I do believe in part the reason Seju did that was so Sumin would not get more hurt later, but think like this, if Sumin already got that much hurt when Seju cheated on her, how much hurt she would get if after months or even years she found that the person who she loved, the person who she finally found after Seju, was actually cheating on her their entire relationship with a man? A man that was her husband? Which means that Sumin was the secondary relationship? Yeah Seju intentions were not completely good, but you can't say she did that simply to hurt Sumin and was wrong, her method was definitely wrong, even if the other ways were sure to not work she should have tried them, that I won't deny, but knowing their relationship, can we really think the other ways would have worked at all?

And good to know you're not blinded by Sumin and Sungji fluffiness, those who are that tend to see anything that Seju do as evil, because both Seju and Sumin are complex, so all they do is not just simply to hurt each other, there's always something more, yeah what Seju did definitely was in part to get Sumin back, but if you was in her place, and your only choice to prevent her from staying in a relationship that later would really hurt her a lot, what would you do? Let her suffer a little by talking with the redhead fiance now or let Sumin find months or maybe even years later and get completely crushed by that betrayal? Cause I really don't see the redhead leaving her fiance to stay with Sumin, what they talked made that obvious, their relationship was already doomed, only thing Seju did was blow it up before Sumin could be completely destroyed by it, I don't think Seju had much choice, either she would let Sumin have a small suffering at that time or a massive suffering later.

Also, yeah Seju is tragic, but so is Sumin, they're both pathetic, they're not that much different, their main difference is that one is passive and the other is active, we can't judge their actions as simply being good or bad, as long as they stay like this, they will always end up hurting each other in some way, either on purpose or by accident, but that doesn't mean what they did was just to hurt each other.

As for Seju and Nami sex, the way Seju is passive, I think she is the eternal bottom.

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dofudofu
I know why you mentioned the bro code, just wanted to finish it I guess, I do agree that Sumin kind of trust Nami, but rather than trust her I would say that she trusts Sungji will never cheat on her with Nami, so I'm not sure if she would trust Nami in certain things, like what I said before about redhead.

KitKat101
Sorry but I'm a little lost, the only time she really did something to ruin Sumin relationship was when she was with the redhead, and you can't even say that what she did was bad because her relationship would explode on her face eventually, besides that time she never did anything else against any of her other relationships, now if I understand correctly you're saying that Seju sleeping with Nami will hurt Sumin enough to end her relationship so she comes back to Seju? Can you explain how will that happen? Because Sungji is her girlfriend, not Seju or Nami, if she get hurts in any way it only shows that her relationship with Sungji was never really serious because she still loves Seju, with what they might do, they can't break Sumin and Sungji relationship unless it was already broken from the beginning, not to mention that they're not doing it especifically to hurt her, but to get some kind of reaction, the same way you say we're blinded to what Seju does, we could say you're blinded by Sumin and Sungji fluffiness, because except that time with the redhead Seju never made any action to hurt Sumin or her relationships.

Why they decided to have sex is questionable at best, because they want to see what Sumin will do, but they can't hurt her unless she still loves Seju, which will show that her relationship with Sungji is not that strong, if anything happens with their relationship it won't be Seju or Nami fault at all, whatever happens with Sumin and Sungji relationship will be Sumin fault because she still loves Seju too much to care more the fact that she slept with Nami instead of care about her own girlfriend.

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dofudofu
Forgot to reply about the Bro Code, I think the only rule that really is agreed by most people who believe in it in some way is that current significant other, mother/father, sisters/brothers and exes of relationship that ended not long ago are completely off limit, from what I know when the person don't have any more feelings for the exes it's okay to pursue them, or that either way with any of them you should at least get "permission" to try pursue them, though fortunately most people are smart enough to know this is silly and it's all okay as long as everybody is old enough to know what they're doing and they're not hiding it, cause at least from what I know most people tend to have more problem with the fact that the couple was doing it in secret instead of having problems with the relationship itself, besides that I don't think people really care about the rest of the supposed rules in The Bro Code except maybe some related to wingman/woman, especially the famous bros before hoes that is really stupid and a good way to ruin your relationship.

Seeya
Thanks, what can I say? If it is to defend our precious Seju, if necessary I'm going to write a book and a thesis about how she is not bad as some think, but if she do turns evil so be it, lets kill Sungji and lock Sumin in a place where she can never run away from Seju... Guess that's not something good to say while trying to argue that Seju is not so bad right? Ooops.

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KitKat101
Somehow I think Seju will try to be the top but I think in the end Nami will dominate her, guess Nami plan is to first conquer her body, then her heart, though depending on how much of Seju hate is mixed on it I actually think it's easier for their sex to be a mix of hardcore sex with fighting for dominance over the other, won't be surprised if the bed is broken at the end of their wild night.

Azai
Haha, sorry the wait, had some internet problems, and who knows how much time I lost making my post, but as long as the battle is not lost, I'll always try to support Seju.

dofudofu
I'm starting to wonder if I'm even capable of making a reasonably sized post, cause either make a small post or a really big post, never a medium sized post, well, better to say too much but say everything you want and in a way people will understand, at least in Dynasty most people read big posts, if it was other sites most would completely ignore it, a lot of places don't really have serious discussions like in here.

I don't know, the fact that Nami was a pain in the as for Seju makes me think it's more reason she is the one who should be the top, now she will be some pleasure in Seju ass and all the rest of her body, though I can also see Seju being the top because Nami want Seju to be confortable in the act, I mean, I can see it either going that Seju will be the top because in part her hate don't want to let Nami dominate her, or it'll be the opposite and she's going to be like, "fuck it, it was your idea, so you do everything", either way I just want that Seju is better after they do it, she really needs it after all stress and frustration that she must have because of her situation with Sumin.

But I do get why some people see Seju as doing wrong things and becoming psycho, Seju good and bad point is that she's a pretty ambigous and mysterious character, so we can easily interpret her as a bad person or as someone with a lot of baggage doing questionable choices that are never really bad or wrong, just like Sumin and Nami, you can't say any of them are bad or good, hero or villain, they all did at some point choices that are really questionable or something shitty to do, but I don't think any of them can be said to be outright evil or wrong, not even the cheating and the things Sumin did as revenge, because their relationship is too much complex to just say they're good or bad, the fact that this is basically kdrama, which always have some kind of forced drama or are more dramatic than things really are don't help either, I just think we shouldn't judge Seju for now as she didn't do anything really wrong, but I do agree that the way they seen to be turning her into a psycho they can easily make she do something wrong, I think that if anyone acts it'll be Nami, just like Sungji is the one making Sumin move on with her life, I believe Nami is the one that will make Seju move on with her life in some way, without both Sungji and Nami I think Seju and Sumin would die of old age and still be like they were in the last 10 years.

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The problem with your argument is that you're assuming everyone is inherently bisexual to a certain extent, the problem is that sexuality doesn't work like that, like you said things aren't perfect, nothing in humans are, except for maybe a few traits that can be argued that all humans have the rest all depends on the person, I do believe that a lot of people are bisexual to a certain extent even if just a little bit but grow up straight and don't even imagine they can be attracted to the other gender, sure sexuality sometimes is fluid and can change with the years, but in most people even if that happens it tends to be small changes, as for being attracted to the gender that is not your preference, even if that happens it's not always that they feel attracted to that gender too, but that a lot of times they feel attracted to a person that happens to be of that gender, it's not the same thing, but for a lot of people they are indeed 100% straight or gay, there is some traits that we're born with and will never change, like how some people will never like some food for example, there's various examples of that, some people will simple never like some things because they're born that way, it's not just a choice.

Now, I do agree that some people do feel attracted to the other gender but deny that and decide to call themselves 100% straight or gay, the problem is that, you can be emotionally attracted, sexually attracted, or just aroused, they're not the same, there's even some research about that, like one that they show sexual pictures of man to other mans and they feel excited, but they also show other pictures that are sexual in some way but doesn't have humans and they also feel excited, just because someone of the opposite or same sex can make the person aroused that doesn't mean they're bisexual, wanting or not the body reacts to this kind of stimulus, so yeah, that no homo can really be true and a lot of times that they use that it is when they're teenagers, when people are their most confused about pretty much everything, hormones can screw up your mind and make you feel attracted to anything, so in the end you can still be completely straight or gay.

I don't completely disagree with you because depending on the person sexuality can be either simple or complex, especially if we take in account how falling in love and feeling sexually attracted are not the same, there's a lot more labels that can be used, like heteroromantic bisexual for example, even if they chose to deny or ignore part of their sexuality, which are not the same thing, you can't really judge that as bad, everyone is free to be any way they want, I would say your biggest problem is assuming that you're completely right, not even scientists can be said to be completely right, like, who has the right to say with 100% certainty that billions of humans are one way or the other? Really, by acting like you're completely right and anyone else is wrong all you're going to do is get on the bad side of a lot of people, if scientists who study those kind of things for decades can't be seen as completly sure who are us who pretty much don't know shit to decide how things are for everyone else?

Abd yeah, you shouldn't have used that phrase or anything like that, if it was other site I guess more people would have reacted bad to it, Dynasty is pretty civil so you probably should have been worse to get a reaction from more people, though I admit that even if that phrase rubbed me the wrong way it was still not right of me to mock you like that, sorry. (T^T)/

Okay I'm a little lost in the discussion, first of all, except for Sungji who never did anything wrong, both Seju, Sumin and Nami can't be called saints in any way, but you can't call them evil either, morality is a lot of times a trap, because a lot of people think that things can only be right or wrong, but real life doesn't work like that, things are not black and white, what is right or wrong always depends on context, reasons, culture, opnions, but a lot of times things are both good and bad at the same time, so we can't simply say that Seju is wrong and we're done.

Now about Seju, I do agree that she talked with redhead fiance because in part she obviously wanted them to break up, but can we truly say what she did was wrong? Let's be frank, if Seju tried to tell Sumin that her girlfriend had a fiance, would she believe? I believe that she would not, If Seju tried to talk with readhead, would she break up with Sumin or her fiance? Taking in account the talk she had with Sumin she would want to have relationship with both, so she wouldn't break up just because Seju talked with her, Seju could have talked with Nami, true, but could she trust Nami? And would Sumin even believe Nami was serious? She might have suspected she got that information from Seju, which she would probably not believe anyway, also, another reason why we can't say what she did was wrong, if she did nothing, what would have happened? Sumin would have redhead as her girlfriend for who knows how long, until one day she found out that all this time not only she was cheating on her with a guy, but a guy who was her husband, sure redhead was cheating on both, but that won't change the fact that Sumin was the other one, Seju intentions were not completely good, I won't deny that, but we can't also say she said that just to ruin Sumin relationship, can we really say she didn't do that because eventually Sumin would get hut a lot more? Just because her intention was not completely good that doesn't mean what she did can't be seen as a good thing, it was better for Sumin to end that relationship at that time instead of hurting herself a lot more later.

As for Seju sleeping with Nami, sure they're doing to see what is Sumin reaction, but why is that a bad thing? No, seriously? Sumin has a girlfriend now, her relationship with Sungji seens to be stronger with each chapter, the reason Seju and Nami have might be questionable, but if that makes Sumin react, how is that their fault? Like I just said, Sumin as a girlfriend, she's on a relationship, it doesn't matter if Seju and Nami are her friend, she doesn't have any right to feel betrayed, hurt or anything just because they had sex, there's literally nothing to condemn Seju and Nami because they're not doing anything wrong, they're two adults who are not in a relationship with Sumin, they have the right to sleep with each other if they chose to do so, now if that really do affects Sumin, it's not Seju or Nami fault, it only shows that she still has some kind of feeling for Seju, why else would she react bad to the fact that they had sex? If Sumin has any bad reaction it will only prove what some suspect, that she still loves Seju and that maybe she doesn't love Sungji as much as some think, not to mention that after all those years they won't just sit down and talk, Nami idea might be the only thing they can do for Sumin to finally open her eyes that Seju might not be there for her forever and that they need to deal with their problems.

Now to this loyalty thing, like I just said above I don't see any reason to not stay loyal to Seju since she's not doing anything bad, but how can we judge Seju when Sumin also did a lot of shitty things to hurt her? You can't judge one without judging the other, this is a story about fucked up characters who did a lot of choices that are morally questionable, some that are wrong, but they're in the past, as far as we know Seju never did anything to other relationships Sumin had, her relationship with redhead was already wrong from the beginning, part of Seju reasons could have been wrong but what she did is not really wrong, but besides that what else Seju did that was bad? Nothing, same for she sleeping with Nami if that happens, now I what will happens next is another question, but unless Seju do something that outright try to cause problems to Sumin and Sungji relationship, no one here can say that she's doing anything bad, if anything, Nami might be the one doing something bad depending on how she tells Sumin that she slept with Seju, because she will possibly tell her in the worst way possible to get some kind of reaction, but in the end, even if her reasons are wrong, Seju didn't do anything wrong, so until she really do something, no one will convince me that Seju did something wrong.

But I do agree that Team Gaji seens to be making Seju look somewhat psycho, but even so, Seju never did anything wrong, if anything I think that can be a sign that Seju is getting desperate or stressed because she knows she might lose Sumin this time, but besides the issue of the redhead which we can argue how bad or good it was, she never did anything actively malicious against Sumin and her relationships, just because her intentions are not completely good that doesn't make her actions bad or wrong, just questionable at best, so until she really do something that is definitely to hurt Sumin we can't call her evil yet, buut of course we don't know what will happen later, she really didn't do anything we can really discuss about besides the redhead and now maybe sleep with Nami, but I do agree that she might try something more direct, then I do agree that it will be wrong.

As for Seju having sex with Nami, sorry, but at the moment that is the best for her, her psycho face makes obvious she's not well, if she's really becoming evil or just stressed is another thing, but if she have some hardcore hate sex with Nami I believe she might not look psycho anymore, I mean, when was last time that she had sex with Sumin? She must be pretty frustrated, Nami might really love Seju since she's interested in her for many years, so who knows, not the best way to start one of course, but this might be the start of their relationship, Seju hate didn't came out of nowhere, I think they will show why later, but that just shows that they know each other probably for some years, and even though she supposedly hates Nami she still has some contact with her, so I think that if she calm down after sleeping with her things will start to change.

I'm on Team Pink, always, because I can relate with Seju, but I do believe that Team Blue has it charm, and who knows, when everything is solved Team Blue and Team Blonde might mix up and give birth to Team Green, if someone gets what I mean.

And again, another unnecessarily long post, sorry... (T^T)

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