That would be a very funny crack-ish fic. I would write it, but I don't think I would be able to do them justice, both PoI-wise and Portal-wise. That's a whoooole other dimension of difficult to write xD

Episode in a few hours, and I just thought back to the fourth one, where Shaw refused to kill Root, and I find it a little ironic that Root was indeed the first dead of the team xD Not counting Elias cause Shaw couldn't have known at the time when she was being subjected to the simulations that he was part of the team, and even then, he wasn't a real part of it. Anyway, I kind of wonder now whether that was intentional. 'That' being the irony of Shaw not being able to kill Root and yet, Root being the first to fall xD

Yeah, it was probably around that time. That ending makes the most sense for season 1-3 Root; by late season 5 it was still an ending that made sense, but it no longer was the only (best?) possible one. Imagine the Machine taking S2 “all humans are bad code”’s Root voice and personality, though. She would’ve been the asshole sidekick who condescendingly delivers information and taunts everyone about their stupidity.

You mean she would've been GLaDOS? xD

Oh, I was referring to the plan they said they'd always had for Root, if they only knew they wanted the Machine to use her voice or if they also wanted Finch involved somehow for added dramatic effect.

Ah, I see xD Well, we know that the season 2 finale has been more or less the same since the pilot of the first season so I don't think it's that much of a stretch to think that when they decided to make her a semi-regular (and then regular) character that that would be the end of Root's story. But yeah. I won't pretend to know what happened for the show to get such a poor treatment, cause we won't ever learn why, and it's just wasted time. Much like what happened with 'Castle' and the firing of Stana. It's more conducive for the speculation to be on the show's story xD

And it underlines again this idea of simulating being all about knowing the people. The better the AI knows someone the better it can simulate them. Maybe you could argue that the reason why the simulations Shaw endured didn’t work just because Shaw is a badass but maybe also because Samaritan actually couldn’t provide a good simulation.

Could be entirely possible. Samaritan doesn't know them and hasn't had a chance to watch them properly, because of the thing they did at the end of season 3. Samaritan more or less ignored them for an entire season, so it's bound to not get 100% of their characters right. Still, that plays a part, but not as much as Shaw's loyalty to the team I imagine.

Lots of stuff to consider xD

Oh FUCK those spoilers are legit. I saw them earlier and assumed they were bullshit, but they’re real. Well, that’s it, I spoiled myself. Goddammit. Be careful on social media for the next couple weeks, guys. I have no doubt that people upset with what happened in 5x10 will discuss them openly and assholes will drop them in people's tumblr askboxes.

You mean about the scripts being leaked? I don't have a problem with that. I don't go on tumblr or use twitter or anything xD

I wonder if the catalysts for Finch snapping and the Machine getting a voice were supposed to be separate in the original plan, but it was compressed for lack of time. John dying would’ve made more sense. So many things happened that by the end of the episode, as you said you almost forget that Elias died too. Which is a shame, since they went through the trouble of bringing him back from the dead after his storyline had ended.

I don't know. But from what I've seen, they knew long before they started shooting for the fifth season that it was gonna be the last I think. Or at least I've seen something alluding to them knowing beforehand that this season is most likely gonna be the last before it was canceled.

That’s a possibility! Personally, I like the idea that the Machine is honoring Root and everything she's done for TM by adopting her voice and personality. I hope we get an explanation. It’s just a shame that we lost its original personality in the process.

Oh, it's most certainly like that. Yes. I just think that the Machine thought why not kill two birds with one stone xD I wouldn't put it past Her, especially after She knows that Root is dead and is maybe a little pissed off and wants to have the tools for sure to destroy Samaritan xD

And the house is left to the son xD

Sadly, when I re-watched it, you are right. The whole episode was a setup so that Harold would go off-the-rails and remove the Machine's (and his) shackles. With the death of Elias in front of him, to when the Machine called him in the prison and using Root's voice.

As for why the Machine chose to use Root's voice, I think it calculated what the reaction of Harold would be, because I think at that point he presumed that Root was still alive, but you could see that the moment he realized that she was dead, he 'took his gloves off'. The Machine figured that he'd realize that yet another of his friends died and what better of a jolt to give him than use Root's voice for the final push? I don't think Root became the machine, but now that she's not 'restrained' so to speak, I think She will behave a little like her and will show a little Root because She probably knows Root best of all of them.

As for how Shaw would take it, she would either flip-out and go on a spree, or she will convince herself that this is a simulation (which would be so sad), or something something that I forgot my train of thought. Oh well.

But yeah, I think it would've been developed better if Root died in the next episode (11) and not in the same one as Elias. It would've had a bigger impact, let the fact that Elias was dead and stuff. Alternatively, I would've liked to see John die instead of Root (as was intended for 4x11), cause he is much more attached to him than to her.

I know that a lot of people have raved about episode 4 in the latest season already, but I just can't ever get over the fact that the after sex scene was so genuine and sweet. There wasn't anything super awkward or gross, it was just two people being in love with each other after all the hell they've been through. I am not even gonna lie, I cried a little at the scene. And then I got completely destroyed by the safe place scene at the end of the episode ;_;

I guess I've read too much fics, but it seemed weird to me when those scenes came about xD I think I explained it in the Yuri in Other Media thread before. Nevertheless though, she got a little piece after everything she went through. I absolutely loved that she repeated pretty much what she said in that episode when they reunited for real.

My recording of the latest episode somehow got messed up so I haven't actually saw the part where Root was presumed dead by Shaw. I don't know if I actually want to get there though...

Root was presumed dead by Shaw? What episode is that? I don't think she thought she was dead, more like she was sure that the team wasn't looking for her.

I never watched the actual show but I was kind of interested and I heard of the news that yet another one took the bullet, literally. Is this a joke?

It was clear from the start (or at least from interviews about potential endings of the show) that either both were gonna die, or at least one of them along with however many of the team. Besides, the show wasn't centered on a lesbian romance, it was just a happy coincidence and the sheer chemistry between Amy Acker and Sarah Shahi. Originally even Sarah Shahi wasn't going to be a regular cast member, but her episode was so good that they signed her on as a regular.

no i am not being sarcastic ;_; i have a huge boner for amy acker

Oh, okay xD She is pretty awesome. Makes a rather lovable psychopath. Also a really good actress.

last edited at Jun 2, 2016 7:23PM

Sooo apparently, some group called 'Fifth Harmony' could have a couple? I mean two of the members could be in a relationship? I've heard about them (once or twice, and I think I have a fic or two from one of the AO3 authors I follow) but haven't heard any of their music. Anyway, some psychic twins claimed two of the members were in a relationship but they denied it or choose not to comment or something.

I don't know. Only heard this cause of the new Rose/Rosie Q&A video. Just thought it was interesting to mention.

No need for sarcasm @machigai

Well, it kinda underlines the "unscripted"-part, doesn't it? The romantic subtext didn't need to be there for that story-arc to work but since it got added to the mix...

What you're saying, telamon, makes sense. For me, I got all that but the whole romance-subtext didn't feel right to me. And so when the series tried to communicate why Reese was so distraught, the sense of "falseness" surrounding the romance was distracting.

Oh no, it left me gaping when it happened as well. I had to re-watch the series a few times for me to come to that conclusion. I guess I got used to that. But as I said, I don't see it as something of a romantic nature as more of a promise that it could develop into a romance and just putting it out there in case they die in the morgue.

I don't know, I saw it as natural. It was the first serious loss since Jessica he had, regardless of whether it was romantic or not, but the loss of a dear friend. And he also blamed the Machine a bit for it as well, for not giving the number as swiftly as it generally does. Cause one could argue that the phone ringing just when Simmons is about to kill her is a little odd. Then again, if he was somewhere where the Machine couldn't see him I can slightly understand, but then again, it works on prediction, so really, the phone call just before Carter gets shot is a little dubious to me.

I'd be happy if the series were to end with this season. If there were more seasons, it would be great - but at least the writers could approach this whole season with a series-finale in mind. Things could be worse.

This is the last season. The show was canceled, and they kind of knew it from before they fourth season finished I believe. Kind of the same as 'The Mentalist' they were given a last season. So yes, this is the last season.

@trafi, they didn't really try a romance and more they kissed in the episode where Carter dies. I took it as more a promise for something in the future. Makes more sense that way, instead of the declarations of love that were made in that episode more or less.

And remember, there was this whole thing of Reese disappearing and Fusco had to bring him back... Not the greatest moment of the show.

It's natural to grieve. I don't see anything wrong with that.

last edited at Jun 1, 2016 6:08PM

Actually a form of living, yes. Forgot about the simulations Shaw went through. I guess it all depends on whether or not everyone will die.

They wouldn't go on dates though, 'missions' yes. The missions would be basically dates for Shaw anyway xD There was a one-shot Valentine's Day fic in the archive I posted that Root does just that. Buys her guns (instead of flowers), gets her a fast car, and watches her devour a really good stake and that's that xD.

I will be very surprised if it does happen though.

Don't know how it would be, but I think I've seen the writers/producers kind of hope for Netflix to pick it up. Though, for me personally, I wouldn't want that. They would include too much graphic sex for the series, and that's not the series at all.

last edited at Jun 1, 2016 5:08PM

This episode put me in a very philosophical mood, and a crazy idea came to me while I was thinking about who would die and such. In short, they all die, but they 'live' on as simulations inside the Machine, like the Matrix, only without the whole using humans as batteries part. This way everyone dies and we get a happy ending, kinda. That said, I don't think this is what will actually happen though.

The thing about that though is that the writers/producers said they left it kind of open ended but with a firm ending about this particular 'arc' as it is. So there's gotta be one or two survivors. Granted, they could twist it around for them all to be dead, and could get away with it now that the Machine chose Root's voice.

Either way, I don't think they'll 'live' on as simulations, Root more or less said (or at least I took it that way) that they are in a simulation because the Machine knows them so well, and the implication was that much like a person who lives on in the memories of people close to them, they are kind of eternal in the memory of the Machine.

I really wanted for the last two episode to be a two hour special but noooo, they decided that now they're gonna stick to a normal episode-per-week calendar xD Which is kinda funny considering only the first episode aired on it's own, the rest only a day apart (and two were back-to-back)

Yeah, I also thought initially that he was gonna die, but when Root mentioned that she left a backdoor only for him, after that, it was obvious that he wasn't gonna die, until the end episode probably. I thought that Root was dead for sure when the police stopped them, and breathed a sigh of relief when it was reported that she was in critical condition, but the moment the phone rang and Root's voice came through. Well that was that.

But man, I really want to see a no-rules Finch xD We didn't get much of a reaction from Shaw, but it's likely to be when Carter died. Showing no emotion and then going off on people xD The next three episodes are gonna be good. I only hoped for one more episode with them together though. It was plenty clear that one of them was gonna die.

Also Elias. I really liked him.

So, any predictions on who is gonna be alive at the end? xD

I think Shaw and Fusco will be alive (as well as Bear).

last edited at Jun 1, 2016 12:17PM

Considering there's only 3 episodes left not much use for this thread but, we've polluted the Yuri in Other Media thread xD

Now, here's my archive of Root/Shaw fics http://www.mediafire.com/download/hq7isya0veav1ov/Fics.rar Also, files that have (ch#) are unfinished fics.

There are around 180 of them. There may be a few that I haven't read (like 2-3%), but otherwise they're more or less cherry picked.

I recommend the hic ibi dracones series (a Harry Potter AU) and 'for you, for you, for you' by phwaa.

Otherwise, http://centaurianthropology.tumblr.com/tagged/review scroll down for the season 4 musings (and for those more familiar with tumblr, if there's a way to show only those reviews, tell me so I can edit the link) and general predictions that were very accurate.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest - firearms database for the series, though I don't know if it's up-to-date.

And finally a link to Root/Shaw fanfiction http://archiveofourown.org/tags/Root%20%7C%20Samantha%20Groves*s*Sameen%20Shaw/works

I will edit more pertinent information as it's provided (by people here, or when I find something interesting to add)

Discuss away (even if there's nothing much to discuss xD)

last edited at Jun 6, 2016 4:26PM

Well, ep10 is wonderful we finally see dark!Finch. Naturally at the cost of a couple of his friends. And the happy ending for Root/Shaw is gone now. Man, even if you prepare for it, it still sucks.

Edit: For the PoI fans, I made a thread so we can transfer there -> http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/9986-person-of-interest-discussion-warning-spoilers

Edit the second: Oh my god tumblr is so salty xD They're now comparing Lexa's death (or whoever died in that show) to Root's death, and sure they say it's better than that, but they're bashing the writers xD The writers said it themselves, years ago, that most of them will die or be dead by the end of the show 100%, it's just the kind of show it is. God, people are so easily triggered nowadays.

last edited at Jun 1, 2016 7:21AM

This is the worst manga.

There's no MAGIC FLUTE DAMMIT!!!

But yeah, that son of hers is an awesome individual. Probably knew that his dad was cheating on her. Rise's calculated final move though xD I thought at first that she's just an earnest schoolgirl, but nooooo, she's a little sneaky isn't she?

I feel bad about taking over the thread with blocks of black bars, but there's only one month left... Sorry to everyone who doesn't watch, please bear with us just a bit longer.

Me too, as I said in the previous post the brainwashing that Samaritan's been trying to do and perfect (even though we haven't seen even one with the chip since that episode, interesting no? Perhaps it doesn't work?) would be kind of..tuned to say.. to 'normal' people, and blah-blah I've already said this, but if the writers really thought it out, I can't imagine I'm the only one who thought of that loophole for her xD Even if it's more than plausable, kind of accurate even.

And man, oh man. Episode 9, I would think less guarded because they wore her 'walls' down with 7000+ iterations, and we don't know since when she started talking like what we saw in episode 4, but if she never managed to kill Root (said it herself in this episode (ep9)) then maybe it wouldn't require all that much simulations. Maybe even after the 10th or so. Who knows, what's important though is that they managed to believably wear her down through narrative and through all those simulations I'm confident that more or less, if they manage to survive they'll get together.

The talk Root and Shaw had when Shaw was about to kill herself for real, wasn't as strong as it could've been, but it still was probably exactly the thing that was needed, and now I'm thinking that should Shaw die, Root would probably kill herself, provided Samaritan is destroyed. If not, she'll do everything to bring it down and either go down fighting or she'd destroy it and then probably kill herself (though with how long it takes, she may not do that).

But yeah, Elias is one of my favorites and I was disappointed that he didn't kill him right then and there, but when he activated the bomb, yeah, I don't know if he meant it for it to be an ironic death (since The Voice likes his bombs very much) or something, but I really, really hope Elias joins the team now in bringing down Samaritan xD

I'll stop here for now. Maybe later I'll make that PoI thread, we'll see. Sorry for all the black bars.

I guess the author is incapable of writing happy endings xD

I was honestly impressed that they made that particular twist work. Similarly, Mr. Robot also managed to pull off a very risky twist that would've fallen flat on many other shows. I like when TV writers actually do their job of telling a story well!

Here's an analysis of the episode by Vox's Todd VanDerWerff. There was a ton of great meta written on Tumblr, too.

Of course, the fact that it was a simulation means that predictably, many people completely dismissed everything that happened in it, especially the Root/Shaw parts, but at some point it's best to just give up on the idiots and enjoy the show in your own safe corner of the Internet.

I wonder what John giving up on relationships (again) will mean for him. I always figured that his happy ending would have to be with a woman, because he has nothing to look forward to once he gets too old to work the numbers. After that wedding episode I really want everyone to have a dumb happy ending :(

I'm not all that surprised that they made that episode work, I mean look at 'If-Then-Else' it was basically that but from Samaritan's POV and it just showed one simulation. I kind of called it (about 80% sure) when Shaw confronted Root and John in the café and convinced them to strike back that I thought something was wrong, funnily enough, Shaw shooting John didn't raise the percentage xD But when I say Lambert hopping along trying to chase them, it was pretty clear that it wasn't real.

I was a little wary about how they were gonna handle Shaw being captured and maybe ultimately 'flipped' into a Samaritan agent, but yet again, the writers are on-point and didn't delve too much into sci-fi territory, it is more likely for her to mess up what reality is instead of succumbing to brainwashing with a chip, and I'm saying that because of her brain isn't wired as normal people. Her Axis disorder, which she must have different brain chemistry to the general population and because of that, I don't think a chip would work. But yeah.

I'm sad that centaurianthropology couldn't write up her/his take on the episodes, they were always more or less right on the predictions.

As for John, I took it more that he's gonna finish what they started and if he survived, maybe he'll get a semblance of a normal life, still working numbers but also finding someone to share it with when everything is over and they don't have to look over their shoulder for Samaritan. At least that's what I took from that, of course, he could've completely given up on finding someone and just lives for the job.

I've read a lot of Shoot fics (I still think that ship name doesn't suit them) and they wrote her believable without knowing how she handles 'relationships' after watching the 4th episode we kinda see that she is more or less like every other person in a relationship, naturally more agressive, but still, not as opposed to it as people generally write about her xD That is, completely opposed to it.

Kinda sucks that there isn't PMs xD Then again, we could just make a new thread, but with this season being most likely the last one, I don't know if it's worth it.

last edited at May 30, 2016 7:07AM

The POI writers have basically been writing fanfiction this season. Angst (so much angst), tragedy (sort of), fluff, smut, crack (what the fuck was episode 6? it was amazing), throwbacks to previous episodes and tiny details that casual viewers wouldn't remember, like Root's message. I'm really enjoying the ride so far.

Regarding Root and Shaw, the showrunners talked about their relationship in this interview (spoilers for episode 4). They state outright that there's more to come, which is both awesome and surprising considering that John left his girlfriend so there's no wholesome straight romance to balance out the eeeevil anti-Christ abomination.

Alright, so you guys convinced me to watch. Cause no cliffhangers and all that.

I really enjoyed the 4th episode, even if it was a 'dream-sequence' and I absolutely hate those. More because it shows the feelings of Shaw to Root. Or an approximation of it and if after 7000+ she ended up with Root and her killing herself, then even if it's a simulation it's kind of clear xD. The comments on that article though were pretty funny. Guess that's what you would expect from IGN commenters.

I personally was happy that Reese broke-up with Iris, it was so hamfisted and that relationship was unbalanced to begin with. I would've been happy with her being a Samaritan agent at the end though, so either way, I liked how they did it. I really like Zoe with John though, so, I may be a little biased xD

I'm pretty sure more people were rooting(heh) for Shaw/Root than John/Iris so I'm not surprised they cut it off there, a lot of people weren't happy with Iris getting together with John, I guess they listened about that particular relationship.

I could write a whole lot more, but I'll refrain xD But, the start for episode 2 was hilarious

last edited at May 28, 2016 6:10PM

Anyone seen 'Girltrash: All Night Long'? Debating on whether or not I should watch it.

I'm waiting for PoI to finish before watching it, cause I can't wait for episodes to come out xD After seeing the first episode and the opening scene, well.. I don't like it when they show part of the end at the start of a movie/series. More often than not, it's precisely the opposite of what that opening suggests, but with PoI I really think that it could be exactly what it is xD