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joined Apr 16, 2022

Mikanuji has an extremely distinct style but I think she did a great job capturing the characters' personalities within it.

I also really enjoyed Ryo getting upset at Kita using her to make Hitori jealous lol.

joined Apr 16, 2022

I'm not ashamed to say that Himawari is quickly becoming my favorite character. She is incredibly fucked up and I love her for it. Really looking forward to getting some scenes from her point of view because there's clearly a lot going on behind her facade.

joined Apr 16, 2022

Several pages of Dynasty commenters posting some variation of "this isn't how I personally would react in this situation so it's bad, overly dramatic writing" over and over. Never change, Dynasty forum.

joined Apr 16, 2022

You could really feel the axe in how none of the side characters got closure on their arcs, but I'm actually pretty satisfied in the chapter itself and this ending for Emielle and Eve. Emielle's backstory revealing she has a glamour that works on vampires was a genuinely surprising twist that recontextualizes both herself and other characters, and I thought it was interesting how the facade of kindness she puts on out of a desperate desire to be loved actually genuinely helped Eve get over her own grief.

Overall an extremely imperfect manga with wildly fast pacing, a nonsensical setting, and poor planning on the author's part to not leave themselves room for the side characters receiving closure, but you could tell a lot of heart and passion went into it and that shined through in its best moments. I had a lot of fun reading it and, especially given it seems to be the mangaka's first serialization, I think the author did a great job. I'm definitely looking forward to her next work.

joined Apr 16, 2022

I can't blame anyone for hating this manga or for vocally trashing it, it certainly has issues even beyond the inherently controversial premise. But I also don't think it's right to say that only bad people enjoy it. I personally enjoy this manga because I like messy drama with highly flawed characters, not because I want to fuck lesbians (I don't identify with Ren at all, actually).

joined Apr 16, 2022

What an utterly delightful oneshot. Kumo Suzume did a great job of giving both Iyo and Subaru strong personalities in a limited number of pages, as well as demonstrating how both of them view stargazing -- and, eventually, each other -- as a haven from the stresses and isolation of everyday life.

Weird that Subaru assumed that Iyo would stop talking to her if she found out she was girl. I would say she would be more assured and happy to have another female friend to share her hobby.

I think there were a couple reasons for this. First, Subaru correctly guessed that Iyo thought she was a man and was likely worried that Iyo would feel lied to or deceived upon learning the truth (I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to her before). Second, Subaru was flirting with Iyo nonstop from the very beginning, and might've thought Iyo would feel disgusted if she learned it was a girl flirting with her. That's why when Iyo reacted well, Subaru was able to work up the courage to ask her out on a date.

joined Apr 16, 2022

Sigh, it turns out that "consent," under duress isn't actually consent at all. Makes the vampire lady a 2nd rate cartoon villain, and I can only hope that the ship doesn't sail. Too bad.

I mean, she herself recognizes it's a shitty thing to do. She just thinks she doesn't have a choice, for the sake of her own self-preservation.

Also, non-consensual blood sucking isn't rape, just like mugging someone is different from raping them. Rape is specifically sex without consent, and while a vampire sucking someone's blood is indeed often a metaphor for sex, it is still quite different on a literal level. I would like to politely request that people stop debating the meaning of the word "rape" in the comments section of this dumb vampire yuri manga.

joined Apr 16, 2022

This chapter was significantly better than chapter 1. I guess with the premise out of the way the manga is now able to actually delve into the characters' personalities and relationships; Ciel in particular is a much more compelling character when she's not putting on a facade. The two MCs have a fun dynamic and I appreciate that Evris is not just going along with Ciel's flow.

The girl at the end of the chapter is definitely Lillian, Evris's former friend, but her characterization is...pretty different from how it was in chapter 1. In chapter 1 the author seemed to be setting up a "she's actually a good person who's being blackmailed or something" twist, but the last two pages of this chapter seem to be setting her up as like a yandere villain who's obsessed with Evris. Personally I'm hoping she'll end up being more complex than either of those possibilities.

Cogito
joined Apr 16, 2022

it took two chapters for Tsukasa to successfully encourage Nana to cut off all her friends. she's already hit several abusive partner flags and they're not even dating yet lol

joined Apr 16, 2022

I didn't say anything about "deserve." Nobody deserves to be sexually assaulted. But that scene establishes both the tone for this manga (that is, that it will contain sexual assault and molestation) and context for Yoh's character (that she's arguably no better than Ren and she knows it).

Don't phrase like you did ! Saying that Yoh isn't "clean here" just imply that her being molested is just pure Karma.

I apologize for being unclear. But I also don't appreciate being accused of condoning sexual assault. I think it's fair to expect to be read charitably.

May not be her plan but he does it to her multiple times and this all happens before she accepts this deal... Then she wants to support her friend's push to be in a relationship with this same sexual assaulter. So, she intends to put both of them in harms way in order to prevent her friend from losing her crush, who is fine with forcing himself on women? The only way this makes sense is if the author thinks what this guy is doing is just "boy's being boys." The characters are acting like all of this is nothing serious.

I don't really agree that the characters are treating it as nothing serious. Yoh very vocally hates Ren. Ren is treating it as a joke, but that's because his life has taught him that he can get whatever he wants and he probably perceives Yoh as actually liking him and that she's just being shy/tsundere. I feel like a lot of readers are also perceiving her this way, but we haven't been shown that; so far, her hatred is 100% serious. It may very well end up a "boys being boys" thing in future chapters but that's not set in stone yet.

Again, we need to put Yoh's actions in context of her self-hatred as well as her actions in chapter 1. I don't believe that her being molested is "pure karma" -- but Yoh might. If she doesn't perceive Ren's actions as worth raising a stink over, it's because she thinks she doesn't deserve to have people fuss over and worry about her. Her actions and emotions are illogical because she's a lonely teenager.

joined Apr 16, 2022

Well, that's kind of Yoh's personality -- it's even what the title of the manga is about. She's very self-sacrificing for Misa's sake, we saw that in earlier chapters too, albeit not to this extent. It's over the top and melodramatic but not outside the bounds of believability imo

There's self sacrificing and there's allowing yourself to be sexually assaulted on the regular because you're scared your crush might have hurt feelings. Idk if I'd call that just melodrama honestly.

Technically all she agreed to was just joining the student council. Putting herself in close proximity to Ren is certainly a bad idea but "getting sexually assaulted on the regular" wasn't her plan. Keep in mind she's also very lonely -- Misa appears to be her only friend so she has literally nobody to talk to about this -- and was already filled with guilt and self-loathing prior to all this happening. I can definitely understand not liking this turn of events but Yoh has an extreme personality so I don't think it's out of character for her.

joined Apr 16, 2022

I think Yoh's actions in this chapter are mostly understandable. Yeah, objectively speaking she should just tell Misa what happened. But she's a teenager and she doesn't want to break the heart of the girl she's in love with, so I can see why she went along with Ren's blackmail instead.

I'd say fair but he forcefully kissed her, then forcefully made out with her under the desk. That's way beyond blackmail for a crush's feelings, even ignoring the date.

Well, that's kind of Yoh's personality -- it's even what the title of the manga is about. She's very self-sacrificing for Misa's sake, we saw that in earlier chapters too, albeit not to this extent. It's over the top and melodramatic but not outside the bounds of believability imo.

And ? Since she assaulted her friend, she deserved to be assaulted too ? WTF

I didn't say anything about "deserve." Nobody deserves to be sexually assaulted. But that scene establishes both the tone for this manga (that is, that it will contain sexual assault and molestation) and context for Yoh's character (that she's arguably no better than Ren and she knows it).

joined Apr 16, 2022

I think Yoh's actions in this chapter are mostly understandable. Yeah, objectively speaking she should just tell Misa what happened. But she's a teenager and she doesn't want to break the heart of the girl she's in love with, so I can see why she went along with Ren's blackmail instead. Going on the date at the end of the chapter is much less understandable, but maybe the next chapter will explain that further.

(Also let's not forget that Yoh sexually assaulted Misa in chapter 1, her hands aren't exactly clean here.)

I get why most people on this site don't like this manga but I'm still interested in it, so I'm looking forward to the next chapter whenever the scanlators want to see it get trashed again lol.

joined Apr 16, 2022

Starting from here, a fairly vicious argument about whether or not it's a person's responsibility to specify "romantic like" when they use the word "like" has lasted for 4 pages and 2 days and doesn't really show any signs of stopping despite some attempts at deescalation. In my opinion, it's reached a point where mod intervention is necessary.

joined Apr 16, 2022

Honestly, I really like Himawari. Yes she's a huge bitch but that makes her fun, and she's not a monster. Notably, in this chapter she only really went off when the other girls started to badmouth Yurika; I think she deliberately played the villain to draw the heat onto herself and away from Yurika. (Not that that justifies her sleeping with someone's boyfriend, but hey, I already said she's an asshole, just not a completely awful person.)

joined Apr 16, 2022

I've reread this manga several times and it remains one of my favorites. I really like Nika's character in particular. Her struggles to understand whether her own feelings count as "love" in the same way everyone else describes the word really resonate with me, and her ultimate conclusion that it doesn't matter and that her desire to be with Kurumi is what's important is very touching.

One thing I'd like to mention on this topic that I haven't seen anyone else talk about. Just about every character in this manga questions whether Nika's feelings for Kurumi really count as "love" or if it's just close friendship. Nobody questions her feelings for Jun in this way -- however, there's strong indication that her love for Jun, too, was wrapped up in a lot of other complicated emotions. This page in particular describes how Jun was basically Nika's only friend and only family for most of her life, which is why when he rejected her she felt like "I'd lost my friend, my family, and my lover, all at the same time." So was her love for him really romantic, or was it platonic/familial? I imagine Nika herself would give the same answer as she does for Kurumi -- it doesn't really matter -- but the fact that nobody questions it while everyone questions her love for Kurumi is a neat, subtle way of showing how heteronormativity works in practice.

On a similarly subtle note, I also really love the subplot of Kyouko's evolving relationship with Nika. She spends most of the manga utterly despising Nika out of a combination of legitimate worries for Kurumi's wellbeing and selfish, blinkered jealousy. But you can see her start to change after New Year's. Kurumi's selfless wish for Nika's happiness seems to have a big impact on her; the next time she meets Nika, while she's kind of rude, she does end up giving Nika honest, heartfelt advice that plays a key role in helping Nika resolve her feelings. And even though we're never shown it explicitly, I can only interpret this scene as Kyouko intentionally leaving Kurumi alone and telling Nika where she is. And then in the last chapter, she's even willing to take a selfie with Kurumi to send to Nika, a picture that matters to Nika enough that she put it in her box alongside the mittens that mean so much to her. The two of them will likely never be friends, but I love the subtle way the manga portrays Kyouko finally accepting her love is doomed and getting over her jealous, irrational hatred of Nika, and I think it's a better conclusion for her character arc than a random final-chapter girlfriend would've been.

While in the end I kinda agree with @schuyguy that chapters 5 and 6 are the highlight of the manga and subsequent chapters never truly attain the same height, and yeah those cliffhangers at the end were some very blatant "make sure the audience keeps reading" bait, I still love this manga overall and always have a great time reading through it. The characters are all interesting and complex, the pacing is tight, and the art is cute. Please give it a chance if you haven't read it!

joined Apr 16, 2022

Great chapter as always. Seems like Sango has guessed that Yurika is in love with Minamo. Her already planning to break up with Yui before college is pretty notable as well.

I personally am really looking forward to more Himawari content. Himawari seems like a really interesting and complex character who has potential to add a ton of extra layers to the manga's themes.

joined Apr 16, 2022

If it turns out she's not actually dead, not a totally unreasonable prediction given how different she is from every other ghost in the manga so far, that has some potentially quite dark implications...

Like she got targetted by some kind of cult that uses ritualistic marks to imprison ghosts?

I was thinking something more like "her vocal cords got ripped out" but that works too

joined Apr 16, 2022

Sayaka being a "no thoughts head empty" girl is such a brilliant twist I'm still in awe.

On another note...Honami literally never talking has gotta mean something, right? It's not a ghost thing, we've seen ghosts talk in this manga. And she certainly wasn't mute while she was alive, she had songs. If it turns out she's not actually dead, not a totally unreasonable prediction given how different she is from every other ghost in the manga so far, that has some potentially quite dark implications...

joined Apr 16, 2022

it seems like Chitose thinks she's genuinely doing a favor for the people in the town. really enjoying this manga.

Cogito
Liberta discussion 09 Jun 13:59
joined Apr 16, 2022

it is just something stupid about an teenager getting power only thinking of genociding humanity lol at least at that age the only thing i was doing was play video games and saving the world in thous games, thank god i wasn’t an social parasite like this little thing here

Lucky you to have a happy little sheltered childhood, but calling her a "social parasite" is really going too far.

that’s bloody werid of you thinking i had a “happy little sheltered childhood” just because I called an murderous teenager that didn’t even BLINK at the massacer in the mall AND accepted the psychopathic monster power to do the same thing! and calling that an “social parasite” is me having an “happy sheltered childhood” lol

Eri may have massacred a mall but she also killed trading card scalpers (the scum of humanity) so it's impossible to say if she's good or bad

joined Apr 16, 2022

It's not because it's fictional that you can say and draw everything you want. It's not because they were not real persons harmed that you can show the more hateful and immoral things in your story. Words and pictures have meanings and can be more harmful and impactful than any physical actions. This stupid argument and the other "people choose what to read" are the things that lead us to have story (manga, anime, BD, comics ....) that show and spread harmful ideas that actually hurt real people.
And in this case, there is nothing to justify the choice of actor to show little children being abuses and one of them impregnate by her dad ? WTF !

The point of the story is that these characters either suffer or are confronted with horrific, unimaginable abuse and trauma at an age when they are not remotely equipped to deal with it. I don't see what "harmful ideas" are being spread.

joined Apr 16, 2022

while the revelation itself isn't a twist given how heavily it was foreshadowed, what is a twist is (a) that it's getting stated so early and (b) Colin's attitude toward it, and just her behavior in general. her smirk while saying it, the way she brags about how much her father "loves" her, even how she doesn't wear underwear, all establish the extent to which her father has been psychologically manipulating her. but the fact that she offhandedly mentions she once attempted suicide indicates that she does understand on some level the horrific nature of the abuse she's suffered. is her normal behavior an act she consciously or unconsciously puts on, or is it just extreme compartmentalization? i guess we'll find out in future chapters.

i'm also very interested to see how Mary will react. again, the fact that the revelation came so early means that Mary's character development will be a major aspect of the manga. she just learned something that the vast majority of adults would have no idea what to do with, much less a lonely and scared 12-year-old. she doesn't even have anyone she can trust to talk about it with. everything is certainly set up here for an inevitable tragedy, but i will continue to hope for a miraculous semi-happy ending.

joined Apr 16, 2022

People can drop a manga for any reason they want. But if you announce publicly you're dropping a manga with a Het tag for no other reason than it has het in it, I reserve the right to make fun of you for entering an Italian restaurant and complaining about all the pasta and pizza in the menu.

Cogito
J<->M discussion 03 Jun 13:52
joined Apr 16, 2022

I love this, gives off Hinamatsuri vibes.

That's because it's written by the same author!