Extras as in "the end" ;_;? Though I think most of those last releases have been appearing even if the status has been marked as completed for quite a while - or was I hallucinating?

That way you can try your best to sound clever while also not having to try to actually defend the faults in something that you like.

It's also possible they don't see them as faults. It's also possible to like something despite its faults.

It can be interesting to see what is wrong in something in order to improve it, or to recognise faults if you want to create something and uses it as referential. But as a reader, why shouldn't we be allowed to simply enjoy a story without having to pick every details out?

Some people just have better tolerance than you have is all. I think you have made your point quite clearly several pages ago.

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Noooo 46 chapters is not enough... We need to see more :<

Thank you for the translations <3 It's christmas everywhere!

Oh, my God! Could you imbeciles shut the hell up and just enjoy the goddamn story? Take your existential bullshit someplace else, you idiots!

I'll enjoy the story just fine without you insulting me. I'm only refraining myself to do so as well because I'm not completely sure that it was directed at me. But if it is, I guess I'll have to consider you to be of as much value as the digestive rejects of my dear dog.

Otherwise, have a nice day!

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Oooh, this is too precious. Nice characterisation, nice drawings. I love it.

Thanks for the translation!

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Poor Aimi ;_;

I guess it really is Christmas soon :3 Thank you!

Well, a lot of friendships are relationships of convenience. You are friends because you share some qualities or interests and happened to be in the same place at the same time. If the only real connection is based on proximity, then it shouldn't be surprising that the relationship falls apart when you lose that connection.

My two closest friends I've met in middle school (like 14-16 years ago) and I still see them regularly, still have contact with an internet friend I met around the same time playing RVS, and I'm probably meeting a friend before christmas I met 16 years ago, my oldest acquaintance with whom I still play/talk and visit, although with that one we've lost contact for a while. Still have contact with college friends as well.

Those protagonists in manga have no excuses! That said, I'm not secretly in love with any of them, I guess that helps reduce the angst.

It wasn't as bad as I feared, in the end. Pretty good stuff.

You project so hard, yo' mamma named you Cinemax.

Nezchan... I think you were the one responsible "Get of your cross, we need the wood" stuff. I'm going to need a collection of your comebacks...

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Does that mean Chocolate orange is loosely adapted from her life? Or am I stupid? Or gullible? Does marriage so she has to go away stuff really happens? I guess this last one could be answered by Japanese only, maybe.

Thanks! So it's not something that defines her entire being or whatever, I guess it's obvious when you think about it, but I was curious.

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Fuck you Ecchan for not confronting her

She does though, it's just that she's too much in love with her. I'm always surprised by the cheer power of judgement in here. Also, kudos to Nezchan for trying to correct people's choices of words. I admire your fight!

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Really like this author's work. Their characters are always somewhat manipulative and a bit wrong, but there's still this little spark or something nice that makes it interesting.

Terrible individuals aren't terrible characters, I find Yamanaka quite endearing. A bit hypocritical in the first chapter, she judges her first crush as a bitch she lost interest in when she was doing the exact same thing in her youth (albeit not for the same reason) - like she is hurt or does seem hurt by somebody who doesn't make that big of deal about physical relationship.

She looks like a free spirit that enjoys life and sex without getting attached. If all of her other partners are aware of that fact, there's no problem if they know what they're getting into. Relationships come and go.

Now, I'm waiting to see how it will turn out with that particular relationship : are they going to be serious? Will there be conundrums?

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I'm too lazy to look through the entire thread. But if you would be so kind, could one of you tell me if, when she says "I love you", Matsuki says daisuki or aishiteru?

As in, is she really serious or just admiring... Well, I think that I have 35 chapters that prove she is somewhat serious about her feelings, but still.

Edit Forgot how Miss Sunflower is the sweetest young lady ever. Good catch Matsuri.

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Oh dear god it's ongoing... I thought it was over for a moment and was like "okay it's realistic and all, but what the hell, give me closure at least ;_;".

I don't know what I want. I'd like the childhood friends to get together because I'm a dreamer. But the author of the book being the onee-sama always dreamed of is too perfect... Argh, damn you Sensei! I don't like to be confused.

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All right, took more time than I thought. It's pretty long, but I thought it deserved that much!

When people say believable/real...hor presents.

Wholeheartedly agree with almost all of it. Especially these sentences :

Not everything is always set up and follow perfect path. Weird coincidences and random tragedies do occur sometimes.

when people claim about situations not being realistic. Though I guess it has more to do with what you'd think would happen or what you'd like to happen.

We are taught to believe the first character MC fails in love with will be the one they end up with. Hell most of the time the whole story is only about them getting together. As if that was the most interesting thing about love.

Well, when that was promised for 28 chapters with the MC chasing after Tokijura, yes I am a bit disappointed to see him do a 180° turn without some sort of foreshadowing. From what I remember, I never had the impression Itsuki was interested in Botan romantically, or that he was struggling between the two. Perhaps I should read it again, but except a good buddy friendship I didn't feel anything else. That's why I, and others, have said that Botan being with Itsuki felt like fan service (to not use the term asspull).

Of course, it's only impressions, perhaps others saw signs where I did not. Even if I think it was just matter of preferences (Botan over Tokujira). The inverse could be true.

I think that is the issue, you had certain expectations and that story didn't meet them hence you are upset.

Obviously, but not only for the reasons you're talking about. My main issue is how Tokujira was brushed off as a side character when she was the centre of the intrigue for the whole time, the driving force of the plot. I mean, I didn't feel the main issue/goal of the story was to resolve a love triangle but it felt like this in the end - hence why I feel upset/ripped off/whatever.

Then again, I can understand why Itsuki would fall for Botan and Tokujira, both have their appeal, it can make sense in both cases. It just felt that during the story, many people, including the author, began to like Botan (a lot) more, so I have the feeling the author decided to change their plan. If it was intended from the start, it didn't show for me. Perhaps it went over my head, but I'll have a hard believing it considering how late the twist happened and how rushed the end felt.

Instead of actually writing about their love for each other and struggles with being a couple (or their lovely dovely fluffy love live, I wouldn't mind that too), author usually comes up with (or is forced to) with some new drama, usually totally forced (look my first paragraph), that threaten the couples existence.

It's a matter of preference of course. I tend to prefer the beginning of a story or things that happened before to better understand what's happening now. Also, I prefer a story with struggles than fluffy stuff all the way. There is a sense of wish-fulfliment : it is somewhat liberating/more satisfying to see people succeed despite everything that hit them.

That said, I don't mind fluff stuff like Yuri Mekuru Hibi or Bright and Cheery amnesia, examples that first come to mind. I want to read stuff that makes me feel things in general, but that last chapter, bleh it was just boring.

I'm simply tired of everyone following the same safe and tested cliches and people eating it up, that nobody actually tries to break them, [...]

I don't like when people complain about clichés and tropes. Especially when it comes to romance which is probably the most dried-out genre out there. It always end up in disdain claims about this and that. Just like what follows :

The fact that he ends up with Botan is as cliché as him finally getting with the main girl, "protagonist was aiming for the girl/boy everybody wants/of their dream but realised true love was next to them from the beginning". It's the same thing you can see in countless (crappy) romantic comedy that plagues TV films - it's hardly breaking any clichés.

But that's not what is important to me, the delivery is. I didn't completely like this one, sadly for me. I can salute originality when it happens though. That said, it's more risky, hence why it doesn't sell well, sadly.

In fact only in manga those kind of promises are actually ultra serious and people get buthurt over forgetting about them.

Not exclusively! There is this (good) French drama film called Jeux d'enfants, or Love Me If You Dare in English, that explores this very issue.

Sure you can have strong feelings, but they can change or fade with time more often than mangas are willing to admit.

They don't have to admit anything because they are stories, so they can tell anything they want, they don't have to stick to what would happen in real life. That was what my speech on realism was kind of about. That said, I don't mind stories with a more realistic approach and with less wish-fulfilment. However, giving up on a love and dealing with failures can be hard things to do, people probably don't want to deal with that kind of stuff when they read fiction (some sort of escapism). I don't mind because I love angst, I love dramas. Just that in this case, I didn't like the delivery.

Otherwise I kind of agree with what you said in this paragraph.

Even if he considered her pretty, once he got to know her, he realized they had no chemistry. Isn't that kinda more important?

I'm talking about first impressions. Of course personality counts in the long run, but how can you be attracted to somebody because of their personality if you don't know them? That's why he went to see her and tried to know her, to see if it could work out, because she's beautiful (to him) and could look him in the eye without being afraid/feeling disgust.

They had a good chemistry as well, that's why it is painful for both of them (well it's far more painful for Tokujira) and Tokujira's "supporters" when he finally chooses Botan. Yes, it happened while he was dressed as a girl but it was still his acts and thoughts behind it, and that's the reason why it couldn't have worked unless she also loved him in his boy version; which she happened to do in the end but, sadly for her, Botan was there as well and fall for boy Itsuki at the same time.

By saying he still totally could fall for her because she was pretty, you are lowering the quality of this story significantly.

No, love at first sight happens and is purely physical - how would it be bad/lowering the quality of anything? Beauty is important, there's just all different kind of beauty to be appreciated. What would be shallow is to continue a relationship only based on a physical link. Physical love is important and beautiful in itself, it's another kind of communication. I'm not talking about pure physical gratification but something with emotions and feelings.

Heck, the only thing Itsuki is thinking about Botan during their date in that last chapter is "OMIGOSH she's so cuuuuuute o(>ω<)o" - you can blame the author as well, if you want to.

Well, it simply seems like author failed to write the story you wanted to read. You should write the better version yourself then.

Gee whiz! I guess I really should finish that doujin project I have before ever criticising another story. Better work on my baguette baking skills as well, lest I dare criticise the uncooked crap some big companies sell. Thanks!

More seriously, though, I was just trying to show that there was a way for the story to end up with a happy romantic outcome between Tokujira and Itsuki - contrary to what was claimed in the text I cited (special mention to the "logical reasoning" about love and romantic interaction, though).

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The fact that Yuzumori didn't realize it shows that she really is too ignorant, immature and even down right stupid to consent to any kind of relationship with Mimika.

You mean she is acting like a 9-10 yo girl? How dare she... Perhaps it's an easy cop-out, but I can apologise characters being immature and stupid most of the times when strong emotions are involved, the younger they are, the easier it is to let this pass.

I could even go further and say that what you just told right there shows that it is actually good writing. How could a 10yo consent or be ready for relationship with a 16yo? I always thought that Mimika being self-aware of the moral conundrums of being in love with a 10yo or asking herself if she is actually a lolicon/pedophile (not a child molester, mind you) was interesting and pretty nice.

Now you can imagine that by making the characters acting erratically shows that they are indeed quite immature, maybe too much for this kind of relationship. Of course, they will go against it because love, but that's why I'm here anyway.

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It just reminds me of all the loser hikkikomori NEETs in real life and in fiction, especially those asshole self-insert fantasy male MCs who get transported to some fantasy RPG world to save it, and have a harem fall in their laps because otaku wish fulfillment.

How dare they dream of a better life where anxiety and/or depression wouldn't be plaguing their lives. It'd be like a world where girls who love girls could find others like them without being rejected non-stop because most of them are straights in real life.. oh wait :3.

Matter of perspective of course, I admit harem animes are annoying, I'm a bit more clement towards social rejects or loser, or wish fulfillment in general. Just like the MC, she clearly has confidence and anxiety issues and don't know how to deal with them because of Japan philosophy, I guess. That said, being depressed or a loser doesn't mean you won't be an asshole in the end, just watch Tomoko from Watamote.

Which allow me to do a transition towards the aforementioned story. Now, it's mostly yuribait or very close friendship - or the usual Tomoko experiencing/getting off female skinship. But as mentioned, there is one character that is going full yuri stalker that provides for sweet funny moments. The cringe level is low for a lot of chapters now, but always remember : it's only fiction.

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Either way half the stuff she said didn't make much sense to me [...].

That tends to happen when you're angry and desperate. You say anything/everything you can just to hurt the object of your anger. I'd wager it's even worse when love comes into the equation, she' probably in mode "if I can't be happy you shouldn't be happy either" or "if I have to suffer, there's no reason you shouldn't suffer as well".

Generally, people that are angry are also in distress in some way, like Korath said, she probably cried and felt really depressed afterwards; this is supported by the fact she tried to call her beforehand. Mochi does nice dramas, I wish there were more of it, or more Mochi in general. Thank you Stan!

You're a boss. And thank again to Chaosteam and Dynasty-Scan to allow us to have the full collection with one of the hardest chapters to translate completing the list. I will read it again before the anime.

It's funny to note that I read three versions of this chapter, they all are kind of different. The worse was the fast translated one, it was really confusing, I didn't really get what the chapter was about. I should reread the official, but I think it is slightly different than Chaosteam's - translation which I prefer because it seems to make more sense.

I don't know why, in both French and English official releases, they tend to ignore the whole gyaru thing, there are others stuff that are left out in the English version of vol6, e.g. the things with Mei forcing herself to eat spicy foods during their dates. I think it's a pretty important thing but it doesn't appear in the official translation...

Anyway, thank you Chaosteam <3!

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I wonder if it's a trope, where a person fails to communicate their love with words and does so with their craft instead. I've seen it here before, but not much elsewhere...

The whole world is a trope anyway! We just keep on repeating things again and again with just different values for the setting, is all.

Otherwise, very nice story. I thought it has an historical setting (cause of the dresses) but it was cool nonetheless.

Ok,should i feel bad for reading this?

it's fine it's just a manga
You should feel downright AWFUL about it

Don't listen to this! Moral should not be taken into account for the appreciation of a story. Heck, morals should stay out of fiction, or we would only have insipid story about uninteresting individuals!

Seriously though, it only depends on you. If it makes you uncomfortable, no need to force yourself unless you're very curious.

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Pretty neat, everything I could said has probably already been said. Still, kind of disappointing to see an "official" confession, that would have been a nice reward after all the angst and drama.

It's exactly the same kind of disappointment as with both Lain and Steins gate; even if in the latter's case, they did make an OAV that had some wish fulfilling stuff (screw the cynics that were all "hurr durr cash grab"), it was good for my kokoro. It's also the same kind of nostalgia realising that everything that we've seen or happened is kind of for naught since we reached a blank slate. Well, in all stories there also are reminiscence of it, but still. I guess it adds some kind of reverie that makes it stuck.

It was kind of hard in one go, but no regrets. Cool ride, thanks for all translations and for the link to the letter and the explanations!

P.S Well, yeah I guess going through an infinite number of lives and living alone for 4.5billion years may be a good declaration of love, but still.

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The final panel here should be made into a standard reply for whenever someone posts something like h-handholding.

H**** is way past lewd!

This series is really cute, but honestly, Arisa's purity is wearing thin. I'm past finding it funny and it's just kind of making me feel bad for Mari, who is just desperate for affection from her girlfriend.

It's comedy, you need to ignore the real implications it could have to appreciate it the most, I think.

I for one find it cute that despite her purity, Arisa is still sort of taking the lead, Mari is gladly letting her. I thought the dynamic would change as would their relationship, I guess things will kinda revert to what they were just slightly different.

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