KitKat101
Haha, nah, not really, it's just silly to think that just because you know when some people are lying then no one will be able to lie to you, if it was so easy then eventually everyone would be able to tell when others lie and then no one would lie anymore. xD

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KitKat101
I get what you mean, but it doesn't matter how much experience you have, there will always have people who will be better at lying than you are at knowing when they're lying, sometimes it just happens that you're lucky enough to not have to deal with them.

GraciousLlama
Also, 5 months? You can take just one person with you? Cause you can always take one or two more and make it nice with everyone, it's nice to have options... Guess that's not something nice to say right? xD

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KitKat101

If you're not good at it, then you probably can't tell. If you're used to it, then it's easy. ;)

More like if you can tell they're lying then they're the ones that are not good enough at it, there's always people who will fool you even if you have experience at knowing when someone is lying or not or when they're being insincere.

GraciousLlama
I have to agree with KitKat101, if you're going to Dinesyland it might be a good idea to take your girlfriend-to-be or just a girl you have interest, or guy, or whatever you like, it's good to get some relationship points whenever you can.

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MacySan
But being through shit and being though a trauma is not the same, not everyone reacts the same way to a trauma, to some it changes them in a way and they stay like that for years or their entire life, it has nothing to do with being a decent person or not, being through shit doesn't necessarily turn them in a manipulative person, they can turn out in lots of ways, but when it's trauma they don't always have much choice on how they'll act with others, though I'm not trying to make a excuse to Hotaru, I just think we need to wait and see why she's like that, at least she has some reason to be like that, while Fujiwara probably never had a reason and is a lot worse, but we don't see him get shit from people because of that.

But yeah, trauma or not, when it comes to manipulative character for some people it doesn't matter if they're sympathetic or not, though I do believe that later she'll be redeemed when they're finally out of this shitty situation, cause that's the only reason she's being like that.

I don't think it was her father, well maybe him too, but that guy who got her at school looked young and gave impression he might have abused her.

Nevri and Nya-chan
I doubt we'll ever know if they're bi or or lesbian, pretty much all yuri ignores the character sexuality, the story is always about how they're in love with each other so in most cases they don't even talk about this issue, so it always end up to our imagination.

I think Yuma might be lesbian, it's pretty obvious she never really cared about guys but never thought girls were an option either, while Hotaru could be bisexual, but I'm not sure about how much experience she has, but since she slept too easily with Fujiwara she probably had sex before when she tried to forget Yuma by having relationships with guys, we don't really have much information to support any side.

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KitKat101

You'll know when you look them in the eye. If they can't look straight at you, they're lying or insincere. Simple trick ;)

I have to disagree, good liars and insincere people will look straight at your eyes and you'll never suspect them.

mvl89
I noticed you're not putting other usernames in bold, so have a look at this thread to learn how to do it and some other things http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/5657-forum-post-formatting-basic-markdown-tutorial

Lin
How is Suzuma doing?

Geez I stay out for a few hours and you girls add almost 10 pages of posts, no brakes as always.

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I didn't say Hotaru is good just because Fujiwara is worse, I just find silly to judge her when we don't even know why she's like that, yeah she did kind of manipulate Yuma, but pretty much anyone could manipulate her if she trusted that person, she's typical retarded girl from manga who will believe in anything others tell her, not to mention that in no moment she thought that maybe what they did was cheating just because they're both girls and it doesn't count, she just believed blindly what Hotaru said too, you can't really complain about she being manipulated when the mangaka made her almost brain dead so that would be possible, like Fujiwara all the drama is forced because they're both acting like idiots.

As for Takeda, Hotaru didn't do that to screw his relationship with Yuma, she did all that so maybe Yuma would stop being blind and see that Hotaru is in love with her, you can't even really say it was cheating when Yuma didn't even see it like that, I do agree that the way Hotaru is doing things is not the most pleasant and definitely questionable, but she's basically doing what she can in the situation she's in, in part she's doind that probably because she's desperate, as for how she treated Yuma, yeah it's not nice that she's manipulating her, but she never treated her in a bad way or did something with malicious intent, the main reason she did everything like that was so Yuma would maybe notice she's in love with her because she's too afraid of losing Yuma if she confess her feelings because it's more than obvious that Yuma never saw Hotaru as an option.

As for Yuma sexuality, I think both are bisexual in part because it was originally going to be a story about two married couples, but the fact that she blushed is pretty much meaningless, in manga characters can blush because of even a small compliment, so of course she's going to blush because Takeda is nice a few times, but don't forget that he's nice in part because he want to sleep with her, as soon as she denied sex he stopped being nice to her, that just shows what is his priority in their relationship, in my opinion she never really liked him too, only reason she's going out with him is because he asked her out, if not for that she would probably not even know who he is.

I do get why some people don't like Hotaru, I just think that we shouldn't judge her yet because we don't even know why she's so screwed up, did you see the raws? She never had any friend besides Yuma, when she was a child an older guy was the one who got her at school and Yuma saw him kiss her in the mouth, Hotaru looked at Yuma with a face that was pretty obviously of someone not happy, apparently the reason she never had friends was because even when she was a child people already talked that she supposedly got out with lots of guys, so I can't help but feel that later we're going to find that she had a pretty fucked up life which will explain why she's like that and why she's so afraind of losing Yuma, not to mention that the kind of situation that she's in doesn't leave her with much choices since she's pretty much being forced to stay with Fujiwara or he was going to tell Takeda about what she did with Yuma, only reason she endured that is because she didn't want to see Yuma hurt.

Really, if Fujiwara didn't took that picture of them almost having sex the story would end in a few chapters since Yuma even broke up with Takeda already, Hotaru might look all manipulative but she's actually almost as dumb as Yuma since all that's happening could easily end now that Yuma is not with Takeda anymore, but since the mangaka likes soap opera we're going to have more forced drama and Hotaru acting in questionable ways until Yuma finally decides to save her from Fujiwara.

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MacySan
I don't think you can really say Hotaru is cheating when it's more than obvious that she and Fujiwara not only don't love each other but he's basically forcing her to stay in the relationship, as for the "devious ways", Yuma could have rejected anything Hotaru did if she wanted, but she didn't cause she's too dumb to notice that what they did was not something friends do and counted as cheating on Takeda, not to mention that she never really loved him too, I think it's funny that you call Hotaru devious while Fujiwara is the worst character in there, what she did might not be right, but it's not even close to what he does, if she is devious then what is he?

As for why this is yuri, why it can't be? It's nice to see a yuri that is different, just because most yuri is fluffy that doesn't mean they can't be like this too, we need more variety for yuri so I think it's a nice change that at least some mangakas try different types of story.

As for Takeda being nice, taking in account how he reacted when Yuma didn't want to have sex with him, I think we can question how nice he really is, only reason people focus on how "nice" he is is because the other characters are not good, because if everyone was nice people would probably not forgive how he treated Yuma for denying sex.

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Rosenakahara
Well it seemed like you agreed with HopeFromYuri, sorry since that was not the case.

But Hotaru is not being "greedy" in any way, the plot and problems are not caused by her sexuality itself, if anything Yuma sexuality is the problem since it seens she never thought two girls could be together and so never saw Hotaru as an option, Hotaru is not with Fujiwara because she's greedy or anything like that, if I remember correctly since she thought she never had a chance with Yuma she tried relationship with guys, still not the cause of the problems though, the cause in the end is because she was too much of a coward to tell Yuma about her feelings, the fact that she was stupid to end up in a relationship with an abusive jerk who is obviously forcing her to stay with him, and that Yuma is almost brain dead to see what is in front of her eyes.

I do agree that there's various reasons that you can chose to not like this manga, but how it's portraying bisexuals is not one of them, the fact that they're both bisexual was never important to how they act, in the end it's all because they're both stupid to make any rational decision.

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Suzuma
I see, I was wondering if I missed a post since I didn't see any post mentioning that, thanks.

About what you two disagreed? If you can tell us, cause now I'm curious.

And yeah, took me some time to show up, the thread grew non-stop, so took me a while to get in the mood and start reading it, try to read the rest today, only 48 pages left...

Suzuma
Who is Timmy? Lin talked about a Timmy but I guess I missed the post that says who he is.

And what happened between you two? I stopped at page 45 of the thread, so if you talked about it I didn't get there yet.

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I'm going to commit sucide soon if I don't get more chapters

Bisexuals are greedy.
Pansexuals even more.

Well as this manga is portraying them at least, another reason to dislike it.

Not only this mentallity about bisexuals and pansexuals is stupid, innacurate and offensive, the manga never portrayed them like that, if all you two have to say is some form of prejudice against them, then please keep your opinions to yourself.

Well girls, or gays if you prefer, guess I'll be going, try to sleep a little, I might be back later at an unknown time, no idea when I'll wake up, I won't stay here to continue being humiliated, I need to keep my dignity, just because I'm an Eternal Bottom that doesn't mean anyone can step on me as if I'm a doormat, I'll find someone who knows how to treat a lady. (T^T)

mvl89
It doesn't matter the game, always no mercy, either go full power or don't go at all.

Rainy365
Can you believe it? She tries to run away after raping and impregnating us by saying that she "broke up" with us, good thing the law is on our side! (T^T)

mvl89
Of course you run, I knew you was not woman enough for us. (òAó)

Rainy365
You forgot she also impregnated us after raping us with her eyes too much.

mvl89
And you're going to be out of money too when my lawyer takes everything away from you so me and Rainy365 can raise our children. (T^T)

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mvl89
It's not what you showed when you told me you could be picky and just move one if I didn't give in, treating me as if I was so easy to get, and you also denied calling me Honey Bee, and Rainy365, you tell indirectly that you're going to make her fall in lover with you then does nothing, just play dumb with us, I feel so used and dirty now, to think I would let you go inside my secret garden... (T^T)

You say marriage now, but I know they're just empty words and that you would leave us waiting in the altar and never show up. (T^T)

What I'm going to tell our children when they ask why they mother left us pregnant at the altar? You got us pregnant after raping us with your eyes too much, you savage! (T^T)

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mvl89
You don't know what you did? You tried to seduce us and take us to a sinful path of carnal desides and threesomes everyday, to think that in the end for you we're just two pieces of meat to be used and discarded, even now you still play dumb, my kokoro can't take this much longer... (T^T)

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Rainy365
I know, I'll get there, I stopped at page 45, but can give any information on this "complication" you mentioned?

Azai
You can run, but you can't hide, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

And nice work. o7

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Azai
It can beome a foursome if you want~~

mvl89
Not as crazy as your love for us, I can feel you raping our every posts with your eyes.

As for losing this game, well, how can you lose something that you never had a chance to win? shots fired!

mvl89
Afraid or not, you don't chose when to love someone, you either acccept it or regret later for wasting it.

You indirectly told Rainy365 you would make her fall in love with you and then called me Honey Bee, you're so cruel trying to play with our feelings by playing dumb now, my kokoro is brokoro... (T^T)

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mvl89
But that's how life goes when you love someone, there's no escaping that.

Rainy365
Right? First she seduces us, now she tries to use reverse psychology so we're the ones who's going to chase her, but I won't fall for that~~

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Rainy365
Careful, I'm starting to think she might try to get both of us, she already tried to seduce me, now it was you, how shameless!

mvl89
But being afraid of love just shows you're afraid of living and of trusting others, to worry about others is to care about others, if you don't worry about anyone that means you don't care about anyone, unless you're naturally a lonely person, which is really hard, all you're going to have is a life of solitude and regrets for wasting years and not having tried all the chances you had to be with someone who liked you and might had a relationship.

Rainy365
Having a long relationship with someone you don't love will always end up in suffering for one or both of the people involved, you can't have a real family without mutual love and trust involved after all, and if there's children involved they're always the one who will suffer the most.

mvl89
Yeah I don't have any idea who is Honey Bee, now don't be like that and tell me who it is, cause it looked a little that you talked about me, as for me seducing you, please, I'm hard to get, you're the one who need to seduce me, and already warning you that I have expensive tastes.

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mvl89
Me great? And this is not even my final form! But Seriously, you say that cause you don't know me, I suck in real life, definitely not waifu material~~, uh, I mean, husbando material, totally not a freudian slip.

And I still want to know who you meant by honey bee, like, y-you're trying to seduce me?

Also, since you don't put names in bold, this thread will interest you http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/5657-forum-post-formatting-basic-markdown-tutorial, this one might too http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/7297-dynasty-thingifier-userscript?page=1.

Rainy365
Haha, seriously, I don't understand how there's still people who don't think like that, it's pretty depressing actually. :/

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Rainy365
Good, it's never later to lear something new. xD

dofudofu

Some mumbly stuff about waking up, some mumbly gushy stuff about missing each other, some mumbly stuff about her sister's hair, some mumbly stuff about needing to go back to sleep.

I see, if she's missing you so much after those three months, when you finally go live with her guess she's going to want to make up the lost time in every room of the apartment, if you get what I mean.

Oh damn lmao. The slutty slutty bottom was me. I'm perfectly capable of being a slutty slutty top too, if the mood strikes me.

Oh so it was you? Honestly, no matter how much I think about it, I can't see myself as anything besides a slutty slutty bottom, I guess I'm just too passive, fact that I'm short and weak probably helps, not much willpower either, born to be a bottom... (TvT)

Kanojo can and does with her mom, and so can my mom. I consider all 3 of them alien lifeforms.

For me anyone who can propely express themselves in real life is almost an alien lifeform, I suck at socializing. (T^T)

mvl89
Who is honey bee?

I know it sounds funny and exagerated, something taken out of fiction, but unfortunately we live in a pretty fucked up world, you just can't trust strangers, much less to marry them in who knows where, fuck sometimes you can't even trust people who is close to you. :/

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mvl89
You can laugh, but that kind of thing happens a lot in real life, death, slavery, forced prostitution, you can easily get fucked up by this kind of marriage, there's nothing to make your mind about, first of all, you don't chose who to fall in love with, that either happens or not, as for marrying someone, you either marry the person you love and that loves you back, or don't marry anyone, that's the only choices, leaving your life at someone else hands can only happen when it's someone with you have mutual love and you can trust blindly, not some random person, you wanna die or what?