What the actual fuck is with the afterword? Talmbout girl-girl relationships are all mistakes made by silly high school girls who'll grow up and realize men were the correct choice all along... GET FUCKED
Unless the author was being mournfully amused by all these stupid ass tropes, I can't like the spirit this work was created in

The author does say "straight people". If that was some sort of "yuri is just a phase" thing, they wouldn't bother to use the word "straight". They are just trying to justifiy why they still love the pairing, probably, even though they're straight. You have to agree that straight girls having lesbian sex does sound like a mistake of their past. (I don't think straight girls would enjoy lesbian sex, but that's another thing.)

By the way, considering just the anime, it makes no sense call it a "phase", because Reina was never in love with Kumiko. They had a lot of gay moments that KyoAni probably thought "well, it's two girls, no one will take it seriously". If that was supposed to be romance, we would have some scenes with Kumiko jealous about Reina's crush, but no...

It was bait, sure, but it was never supposed to be romantic in canon. Contrary to Midori in Tamako.

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I dunno if this has been asked here before but I figured its a good thread for it - if there are any Atelier game series fans reading - how have the last 5 or so been ?

Which are the best - from both a game-play and a yuri perspective? Atelier Totori was the last one I played and I want to pick up one of the newer ones. Any recommendations?

Atelier Meruru is pretty gay, more than Totori.
But Ayesha... Is pretty bad. Both in the yuri and female characters aspect.
There are scenes with no reason to exist besides saying two girls can't marry.
Ayesha says all the time that she shouldn't be doing things like fighting because she's a girl.
There's one girl whose plot is about giving up a job she loves to go home, marry and have children... And that's put like the right thing to do.

I don't know what happened, since the previous trilogy was full of good moments with cool female characters. There's also het leanings with pretty much every female character.
Plot was also too serious for my taste and most dialogues were boring rather than funny.
Gameplay-wise, I thought it was too confuse. Too much events that gives no room for do anything else (I spend some hours doing nothing but read at times).
Still haven't played to other ones (building courage to start Escha), but I heard it does get better from Shallie until now.

Sad thing that Ayesha and her sister have a cute relationship. There's even one scene where they get possessive of each other because they're jealous that a guy is hinting on them. That's the best scene in all the game, actually.

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Funny thing is how Papi can be considered "father" in many languages. I don't know if Japan uses that (they use Papa,at least). But then we have Papika's both names.

Papi Ka (Papi!?)
Papi Kana (Maybe it's Papi)

I hope this will be just a joke I thought until the end...

The problem is: he can link the fact that: a) Cocona is Mimi's child with b) her being pregnant before she leave (his flashback). The only legit answer is: he know Mimi did something that can make her pregnant before she leave.

So it make most sense that he is the father. There is other possibility, but it's too fucked up to even consider

Fact is that they didn't show he making this connection, so it could still be another answer. If for some reason she could become pregnant by herself in pure illusion, or making Papika the father (I don't want that, though), Salt probably would know it, since he researched Pure Illusion.

But yeah, what makes no sense is why he would feel bad about letting her go away with the child. It's just weird how the show refuses to tell us "Salt is the father". And his action doesn't make a lot of sense.

In fact, if he let her go alone having that kind of relationship with her, that's pretty cold of him.

Starting to wonder if Cocona even had a dad in the first place. I get the impression that Mimi and Salt didn't have that kind of relationship, although they cared for each other. So I'm thinking maybe she created the pregnancy all on her own, or if Cocona in a way a child of Pure Illusion itself.

That would be interesting, but they did hide his eye color for a reason all this time. It's the same as Cococa.

Unless that's to fool us, too.

Well, to be honest Salt was too fast to realise the child was his (I means you can't come to that conclusion if the girl you love get pregnant without having sex with you).

Did he? He just realized she was pregnant. We were the ones assuming she was his daughter. The way the anime refuses to address it directly is weird, unless they don't want het exposition in a yuri subtext show.

Izetta was a good show. I am think my biggest complaint is that I think it was too ambitious for a 12 episode show. If it had more time to expand upon the plot and some of the other details...like the whole clone aspect. It may not have felt like such a stretch. The shows main strength was the relationship between our two leads and I think a longer season would have made that part better as well.

Show itself is pretty uneven and was probably intended to be two-cour at some point, but averages out to fairly alright.

Yoshino problems usually come from having too much time on his hands and putting stupid things to fill it, so being one cour was the best outcome.

I don't get the complainings people have with the end, to be fair. It was one of the best anime ending I saw since some time, and better than I thought it would be. Not saying it was great and perfect, but anime's ending are usually the worst part of it. This time it was used to built an emotional end for an adventure story. I think it was pretty competent in that.

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So Izetta turned out neither het or gay just alternate historic anime?

Good thing i decided to wait till it end.

It's as yuri as any anime not labeled as yuri will ever be, probably.
It was a good show.

Speaking based on what i heard from Hibike S1 only. But apparently the novel was even gayer than the anime (when Kumiko hug Reina, she was sniffing on her hair and trace her bra back strap and such) . BUT it also was balanced out by doses of het (she was very concious with what-his-face name, Shuichi?). So Kumiko always in that somewhat bi status that the author can run it off as adolescence.

KyoAni, while tone down the gayness a bit, actually almost removed the entire het altogether. So we ended up having a fairly gay anime (S1) instead

I saw people quoting some things from the book and seriously, it doesn't look any different than any het anime does when a girl finds other pretty. I have no read the book itself, though, and I don't plan to, but every translated portion I read (that should be a proof about how gay the novel was) really wasn't much. Others things to note is that the first arc in the novel isn't about Reina at all. And she goes home everyday with Shuichi.

The reason to cut Shuichi romance makes sense (not wanting making a shoujo romance in an anime highly targeted to male audience), but all the bait was unnecessary. Worse, from interviews, this bait probably started with the own Yamada. All that scene in the top of the mountain was her idea. Although the director looks like he's okay with yuri shipping (he made chuu2) and the writer writes Love Live, so... Again, the original author never said anything about adolescence, she never needed to, because people only saw it as yuri after the anime.

I don't even like KumiRei pairing. I would be happy with a yuri end, but seriously, all this ship has going is that beautifully directed scene at the top of the hill. Aside from that, their interactions are always just a step to Reina's crush. And seriously, Reina is a empty character. First season was about her, so she had some relevance. But now, while Kumiko is doing all sorts of things... I just remember Reina being useless and irrelevant this season.

The sad thing is that the last two arcs were great, but KyoAni choose to close everything with another boring arc about Reina's crush that no one cares. That's theirs worst sin this season, imo.

And if they want bait yuri, they could switch Reina for Asuka and it would be way better

PS: KyoAni better don't screw up my yuri dragon maid anime!!!

Considering the complains about Hibike is being too faithful to the source work where we didn't want it to be, I don't think we need to worry about that.

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It's dead. Yuri Hime pretty much canceled it after people started complaining that there was not yuri, just het.
The author even made a post on twitter complaining that it would have a yuri end, but he was still getting there. Even though he had 6 volumes for that. Can't even blame the readers for complaining.

KyoAni didn't ruined Reina. That was her character all the time. By the way, the original author is a woman. I'm saying that because of people calling her "him".

It wasn't the author who said that about adolescence, it was Yamada, the anime's producer. The original author said she wanted to show friendship as being stronger than romantic love only. Actually, all this bait is KyoAni fault. The original novel doesn't look that gay, and I think it wouldn't be a yuri fan base following it if they had adapted faithfully.

I don't blame KyoAni for running yuri. I blame they for introducing baiting. The anime didn't even need that.

Also, I'll avoid making any conclusions about Flip Flappers until it's over.

Wtv posted:

ITS HAPPENING
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-12/a-centaur-life-manga-has-anime-project-in-the-works/.109811

And it probably will only adapt the gayest part of it.
I mean, I have vol 8 and 9 on the shelf but didn't read it yet. Still, I saw people saying the plot got way too weird.

I need to start reading it, but it isn't just monster girls doing cute things in class? is there something more ?

Hm...
People might think it's spoiler, so I'll hide, it, but...
There's strong social commentary about racism and such.
Aliens.
Flashback of the time of war and slavery.
And that's because apparently I still didn't get to the part where it starts to get really weird.
It's a pretty weird manga to be animated, actually. I think it might be OVAs or something.

Actually, it's quite different from the usual cute girls doing cute stuff. There's even actual homossexual couple, that talk about homossexuality openly.
Even about lesbian sex.
And other kinds of stuffs that usually you don't find in slice of life mangas.

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ITS HAPPENING
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-12/a-centaur-life-manga-has-anime-project-in-the-works/.109811

And it probably will only adapt the gayest part of it.
I mean, I have vol 8 and 9 on the shelf but didn't read it yet. Still, I saw people saying the plot got way too weird.

It's too meta. It's like the industry gazing at its navel.

I guess the male readers feel validated, so that's why they like it.

But as a manga, this goes nowhere interesting and brings nothing of value to yuri.

I guess male readers would feel more validated if him, as a male author, wrote more real yuri instead.
But well...

If they were strictly "just friends", it's pretty much an overreaction imo

That's the problem. I don't think it's overreaction even if Cocona only sees her as friend.
That's something I argue a lot already in other animes, because some people don't understand that it's actually pretty belieavable.
It's selfish? Yeah, it's a character flaw. But pretty plausible.

Unless you mean overreaction as "Cocona is being stupid". Then I agree, although it's kinda harsh to put it like that. But it's not a writting flaw, as people usually like to put it when something like this happens. It happens quite a lot in real life too.

But yeah, I do believe Cocona also loves her in a romantic way, tbh. Just saying that it would be ok even if she didn't.

Lmao I lost my train of thought. I do see the big picture and understand why it leads to Cocona being upset, but it's still weird to me, that first reaction. It feels like jumping the gun.

It is jumping the gun, though. And it's entirely Cocona's fault. I don't think the show is putting it otherwise.
In the end, peoples realationship (be it romantic or not) would be way easier if they actually talked more instead of judgings things early based on just their feelings. But that's how it works, anyway.

Flip Flappers
I'm probably just dense but, does anyone know why Cocona looked shocked as hell and started crying, when Papika said that Mimi was a close friend? Why did she look so heartbroken? I feel like it was a scene about someone confessing to their lover that they've been seeing someone else

Just think about it. Cocona always looked pretty lonely. She had ONE close friend in Yayaka.

She was already feeling weird everytime Papika called herself Mimi. Why? Papika was her second close friend, and there was the possibility that she has romantic feelings for her. Why someone she cared about was calling her by another name? (to be fair, I think it makes a lot more sense if we consider romantic feelings too, but even as a friend it would feel weird).

Then came the Yayaka reveal. Her only close friend only approached her with ulterior motives. Sure, Yayaka might have become friend with her with time, but how will she believe that now? She's already lonely, and probably doesn't trust people that much.

So the next time she saw Papika, she wants answers already about all the "Mimi" thing. It's the first thing she asks, after Yayaka reveal. After all, there's two things she knows: All those travel to PI have something to do with Mimi (remember that the amourphos were called Mimi's fragments by Papika) and that Papika saw Cocona as Mimi sometimes. So it makes sense that her reaction is that she was just a replacement for Mimi. And maybe being used to bring her back, then Papika would abandon her. Maybe Papika loves her, but Mimi is the one she loves THE MOST. It might looks silly, but to a introverted person like Cocona, that's a big deal.

The final blow was her grandma, the ONE person she thought she could trust being a traitor already. The one person she had through all her life. So yeah, the entire point of this episode was to break Cocona.

I gotta admit, the preview at the end made me laugh.

So lemme revise my theory. Papika somehow ended up in suspended animation or something that prevented her from aging, and now she's fallen in love with Mimi and Salt's daughter? I assume the "bad guy" organization is where Salt and his dad used to work, but broke free following whatever ended up happening to Mimi.

Am I way off base here?

Preview for the next episode shows an adult Papika and it's apparently a flashback. I heard people saying that Papika we know might be a clone. But I think we might get something different. This same preview calls the future a "fluid and indefinite concept". So I think we might get time travel plot here.

In fact, I have this crazy theory. I think it's wrong, but I'll say it anyway. Since her name isn't even Papika, but Papikana, it reminded me of episode 7, with all those Papika with different names. What if they're all actually Papikanas who exist in different timeline or something?

Actually, since Cocona looks like Mimi, maybe Papika could even be Papikana's daughter. Although some of Salt's lines wouldn't make sense.

I'm both really excited and apprehensive for the last two episodes

As far as I know, we have three more episodes yet.

The point of all these shows aren't really the competition, but the characters drama. And seriously, that apply for everything. Every action series you can predict who will die or defeat the other from miles away. There's very few series really unpredictable out there.

Wtv posted:

The Last of Us 2 trailer has been announced.

Ellie is all grown up and looks badass. She is talking about some revenge.

Did someone kill her girlfriend?

I'm interested. Will they go canon lesbian way with her or change her to bisexual?

They never said she was a lesbian, so they wouldn't actually "change" it. I doubt the game will have any romance though.
Anyway, it's probably my favorite game on the PS3, so I'm hyped.

There is a DLC where she is show to be lesbian and is flirting/kissing other girl. So for now she is canonically a lesbian.

Yeah, but they never said she's a lesbian, so she could be bi yet without "changing" anything.
I do believe she's a lesbian, though. There's a part in the main game where she looks a gay magazine with not interest at all. She even says she wanted to understand what's so interesting about that.

The Last of Us 2 trailer has been announced.

Ellie is all grown up and looks badass. She is talking about some revenge.

Did someone kill her girlfriend?

I'm interested. Will they go canon lesbian way with her or change her to bisexual?

They never said she was a lesbian, so they wouldn't actually "change" it. I doubt the game will have any romance though.
Anyway, it's probably my favorite game on the PS3, so I'm hyped.

The focus is still on her gay unrequited love, how she's basically getting ntr'd by her brother. It's not a happy, comfortable theme, but I don't feel like it'd be right for her love to just be dismissed like that, that it's "not yuri" just because she doesn't "get the girl". It's not like we've never read plots about girls pursuing unavailable female love interests.

Also I just realised that that's basically the plot, a girl being ntr'd by her own brother.

Well, I'm not saying it's not yuri, but that I can see people saying that. Specially people who bought a magazine about girl's love. Angst is fine, but people expect some payoff of it, even more if they have to be invested in the characters for several chapters.

I could see the end being like that in a one-shot. But hardly in a series.

Then it wouldn't be cancelled for "not being yuri", it'd be cancelled for being repetitive and not having anything concrete happening. Even if the unrequited love is boring and not developed well, it'd still be yuri.

If they start to show het scenes (het couple kissing) and not yuri scene at all, I can see people saying it's not yuri, though.

So...Wixoss episode 9 got pretty dark and they connected the story with the previous season. If anyone was expecting that...

It was also kinda fun.

This love that won't reach

Looks definitely interesting, even though angst isn't everyone's cup of tea... (isn't it, Nevri? ;)

I have no idea where the story could possibly go, aside from the current mc angst.
There's like, nothing she can do about her current situation. She either gets rejected and finds someone else, or after whatever plot and character development, the sister in law reciprocates, which would really awkward for everyone tbh, given she'd essentially have to break one sibling's heart for the other. And for now, the brother, although he is forgetful, doesn't seem like a bad guy. If he turned out to be a bastard, it'd make the yuri plot easier but meh, Idk, I'm not counting on it tbh. And if mc just finds someone else, it'd make the whole initial angst and setup sort of useless, no?

Somehow... I don't really care about the guy, not matter how much of a nice guy he is. In fact, a cheating story would be pretty insteresting, with the MC feeling guilty by lying to her nice brother.

On the other side, if every chapter is the girl crushing on the sister in law and nothing ever happening, it'll boring and probably will be canceled soon for not being yuri, like Yuri Danshi.

Sincerely doubt the main couple will die in FlipFlappers. Makes actually zero sense with the plot their doing(coming of age story).

I'm sure they meant Ikusei, not FliFla.

I'll agree that this season is great, although I started a lot of shows and dropped almost everything that doesn't focus on female characters.
Can't do anything about that. I'm still trying to keep Yuri on Ice, though.