BugDevil posted:

I just take the evidence in the story and base my judgement on that. And there is just no reasonable doubt to this pairing being legit. That's the only reason I defend it.

I don't hold grudge against you or anything, but it's really funny seeing you so intensely defending a subtext couple, based on evidence, when before you were very quick to dismiss one, despite all evidence pointing to it.

If it is any consolation, I completely agree with your assessment. It's very obvious that they played it safe. They always do. The exact same thing happened with the Neptunia franchise. A series of games where literally no important male characters exist and they keep teasing pairings to high heavens, but the producers do not have the guts to commit.

It is an issue. Waifu gacha games like this simply aren't made for confirmed relationships. Just to be fair, neither do the hetero pairings ever get confirmation. Or the guy x guy ones. Any commitment will incense some Otaku.
Granblue in particular banks on your insert character having interactions with these characters that are the generic "Wow you are really cool and I like you for some reason" stuff. Which is just comical when its Grea, who literally speaks about Anne in every single conversation she has with Gran/Djeeta. lol

If you are refering to Kyuuketsuki, I stand by my claim too. There is lots of subtext, but the show is actively not portraying it as serious. The creators were very content to keep it at a safe and easily handwavable distance. Akari might have a very obvious crush, but they also went out of their way to portray her love for dolls as clinically insane. Sophie's reciprocation of the crush is extremely hard to gauge too.
Now take Manaria Friends in contrast. I would have to contort into the 6th dimension to somehow claim this was not intended to be viewed purely romantically. Every frame, every motion and every conversation between Anne and Grea is portrayed like a romance anime would do it. That might make it even more infuriating when they stay at subtext, I know.

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Adorable! If only they got the right colors.

I must say, out of all the mansion characters these two seem the weirdest pair to me. But it just works.

That's a neat party trick. What a beautiful artwork.

Samus with lace? This is an outrage! (a very sexy outrage)

Just wait until she finds out that her crush wears bunny panties.

Sand cats are literally the cutest wild cats in existence. Legendary snakes are neat too I guess.

Don't worry everyone, she is just pre-heating her hands to make it even better.

S++ support level wingwomen.

The PureTP.

Peni seems to be annoyed by something. Two things maybe.

I'd much rather have more of this pairing tho.

All according to keikaku (TL note: Keikaku means plan)

^Raifu? Rifle + waifu?
Has science gone too far?

"Ya think those are enough pumpkins?"
"Not yet. My pumpkin spice is still at the window~"

Becoming a hacker for the most logical reason.

Anne has glorious taste. She has been eyeing that tail since episode 1 lol

It's always a great time for Baumkuchen, just as its always a good time to think Tendou Maya.

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My bad. Shouldn't have brought up old debates that go nowhere. To be fair, we were done anyway (at least I was).

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

(pant.... pant.... pant....) Okay, I think I got it out of my system. Back to our regularly scheduled debate. in the real world iPC cell tech will be a god send to many people, not just homosexual couples, I'm on board. As long as we can keep greed, bureaucracy, and the religious right's noodlely appendages out of it. In a story where all men are gone....

You know what. This whole thing is pointless. I give up. We have no way, of knowing what the hell would happen, if a gender just vanished from the earth. Would the world turn into a cyberpunk style dystopia, where we all have to sell our souls, to our corporate masters, just for one viable egg? Or would we live in hippie like communes, raising our children as one big village, forming transient bonds of love and sex, as we want, and need. Or would we live, as this story suggests, just as we live now, only with one gender fulfilling, both genders' traditional roles? Or would something totally unpredictable happen? One option we failed to even consider.

With that final thought. I'm out.

Edit: At this point gay couples, have no choice, but to have children through nonsexual means, involving complete strangers, in their private affairs. However, I'm sure, given the choice they would prefer to create, their children through more intimate means. An act of love between two loving partners. Who knows one day, couples, might be able to go into a drug store, buy a home iPC cell kit, and conceive their children in the privacy of their bedroom. I would find that pretty romantic actually. (See that's the right way to use the word romantic. )

Shit. I didn't actually want to restart this discussion you already lost months ago. Your definition is wrong and close-minded and that's that. We don't need to continue that.

iPS cells man. Get it right already.
I can't believe I have to point this out to you again, but this conversation is about the alternate history of this story... where humanity goes extinct if they don't do this. There is literally no choice here. Or there is a choice... stop procreating or go along with the governement. Take your pick, I don't really care.

Basically you just pity homosexuals for not being able to uphold your weirdly specific standard of what constitutes a fulfilling relationship. What a douche.
You have no idea what romantic means and lack the wit to actually convince anyone of your preference... So you are as far from right as left is.

This leads nowhere as usual, so this is my final reply to this topic.

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^That's pretty surprising, considering one of the 3 main characters that appears in almost every meme as well is a girl. Poor Kagura.

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(Sigh) I stand by what I said. And I don't think they are conspiracy theories. Money corrupts, and people will use it to give their kids a leg up. Just ask the people involved in that college admissions scandel. I think a lot of people would have a problem of having a third party involed in their ablity to have babies.
Look while I completely belive all of my aguments, the truth is, I just don't like the idea of removing sex from reproduction. It takes the magic out of love and dating for me. It's just the way I feel.

You can stick to your arguments, just accept that you would be the first to go extinct with that mindset.

Yes I am quite aware of your strange mindset when you were unable to separate romance from sex. You've proven that resoundingly when you didn't get that asexuals can have real romantic relationships before. Needless to say, your perspective on what's "magical" is not exactly inclusive or realistic.
I guess you aren't even aware that you just said lesbians cannot enjoy love or dating according to your feeling, huh? Guess what, homosexual couples cannot reproduce, so sex is always disconnected from reproduction for them...

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Wait, there was a time when those were popular?

Yes. I mean, not with yuri fans or queer genre fans in general, but with manga artists, it used to be. Manga in the 70s and 80s was replete with "It's a phase" stories or "and then they moved on and got married" stories, because they reinforce the "Normal" sociopolitical paradigm. Hell, this is part of why some older fans on these forums are so goddamn traumatised that they see het endings loom the instant a male characters hows up in a single panel.

For any of us that actually empathise with LGBTQ characters and want to see ourselves represented, the current trend of girl meets girl, girl gets girl, is kind of a recent phenomena.

Ah, so by popular you meant editorially enforced and culturally brainwashed. Yes, I am fairly aware of the "Onee-sama's secret garden: Don`t tell your fiance about this" era. The trauma some people here experienced surely was great.

I'm by no means opposed to hetero stories or endings. Thanks to the changing times this or other Yuri themed stories these days turning out het is actually a unique thing, which gives it some merit. It just has to be set up right and make sense narratively.

@BV
The reason I did not include that page is because anxiety can stem from many places. There is a completely legitimate reason for her to be anxious to talk to Uta here, that being her fear of confronting her. Something Kaoru is famously bad at. Blushing on the other hand feels out of place.

As for the "Reiichi Deception" (political thriller?) I wouldn't bet on it. Those flashback chapters were rather strong evidence for her feelings being genuine. Naturally with a story this messed up you could still be right. I think there is no true way to disprove your hypothesis (other than that she seemed to be pretty happy about kissing him etc.).
I'll just add that the two are not mutually exlcusive. Kaoru can love Reiichi and still develop feelings for Uta too.

PS: Don't be afraid to post things people disagree with. It's far better to engage in a discussion than to spam irrelevant things. This isn't a bad idea at all.

I might be harping too much on this now, but seeing people say Kaoru shows no interest in girls, I'm not saying you are wrong

But this panel (especially with all the heartbeat noises on the page before) is kind of odd, ain't it? Are we just assuming Kaoru is blushing out of fear? She has never really shown to be extremely shy to the point of blushing on close contact, has she?

This could mean absolutely nothing other than that she was embarrassed by the confession, but I'd keep that in the back of my mind for the future.

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