I’m just glad she’s not in love with Mei. I hope the jealousy trope is done and if it’s not, well maybe have someone be in love with Yuzu this time?

I never thought Matsuri actually had romantic feelings for Yuzu. Harumin, like 90% positive, but that’s never been confirmed.

But with Mei almost every new character Saburouta introduces, except for Harumins sister and her friend, was in love with Mei and I get that it pushed the story/got Yuzu to be more proactive and realize her feelings, but the formula was so repetitive.

So it’s nice that this time it seems like they’ll be using their relationship to motivate others into stepping out of the closet and realizing that lesbianism can exist outside of the confines of a classroom

... didn't Yuki figure out the whole Oguri/Maron thing ages ago?

I think she suspected but talked herself out of it because of the lack of cat ears. I guess she didn’t think that Professor would distribute the ‘candy’ to someone else seeing as she believed herself to be the Prof’s guinea pig.

Could be wrong though... gotta re-read soon.

These chapters are so cute! I really want Yuki and Ayano to couple up but I’m enjoying these moments between them. It’s good bond building. Just wish there was more fluff with just the two of them.

I like the other girls too but I feel the focus has shifted towards the other couples/characters.

I’d like balance between Yuki/Ayano and everyone else.

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On one hand, Ayako being abused at a young age would account for her personality. Her detachment to everything and mostly everyone would make sense but on the other, well it’s just painful and so devastating.

On the other, even if Ayako didn’t go through something so terribly traumatic, if she’s just naturally aloof, I’d accept it too because to each their own.

Though it’s beautifully poetic that the one she falls for is a part of her. Her other half is literally half of her...

There’s already that unbreakable bond between them.

Damn... Taiyaki is a genius either way.

Right now, Ayako and Asuka are fragile, one trying to decipher these new emotions while the other is trying so hard not to smother her mother with her desires. I can’t wait to see how they reach the middle ground.

Dang... I feel like this is gonna push them apart. But I’m glad that Asuka is maturing. It seems Ayako is gonna need her to be understanding in order for their relationship to deepen and progress.

Now I haven’t re-read the series but from what I can recall, Mei and Yuzu aren’t at all acting out of character.

Mei’s hesitance to continue the previous sexual nature of their relationship seems to be rooted mostly in her lack of experience with romance. She knows about sex and lust but she doesn’t know about love.

Mei is essentially a robot trying to update her emotional system.

Yuzu hasn’t changed. She’s still considerate of Mei’s feelings but now, she’s also aware of Mei’s status. She pursued Mei relentlessly but realizes that Mei has responsibilities and there are consequences to their relationship which is why she’s bettering herself so she can stand by Mei and support her.

Mei is reciprocating in her way. She’s thinking about securing her future as Chairwoman as well as considering Yuzu.

She didn’t berate Yuzu for wanting to take the entrance exams at the school she wants to get into, isn’t telling her it’s a waste of time though it’s probably incredibly difficult to get into Mei’s college of choice.

Of course they know they love each other but they both also know there are other things they have to concern themselves with since it’s their last year in high school...

And if Yuzu is trying to get into Mei’s college she’s probably got her nose in books instead of Mei’s panties.

Perhaps the fact that Mei broke off her engagement, cancelled the wedding that Mei’s been preparing for during the months they were apart, abated her sexual desires somewhat. She’s still in cloud nine over the fact that Mei didn’t go through with it and before the red hot devil could poke and whisper ‘sex’, Mei hit her with that I love you for the first time so her giddiness is outweighing her sexual proclivities.

I’m in the minority but Citrus always felt very gratuitous to me so I’m enjoying the focus on subtle romance. This direction makes their inevitable sexual encounter more romantic and fruitful.

They both need to mature a little more, emotionally speaking.

As for the new characters, Sayaka seems to be robot Mei reincarnated. It’s like we’re being shown just how much Mei has changed thanks to Yuzu.

Of course, this is all just my interpretation of the story.

I am curious to see how they are going to reach their happily ever after. I mean, Mei has a responsibility to the school... I doubt parents and the board would want to elect a Chairperson who is involved in a romantic relationship with their step sibling?

Here we get to see how Mei’s faced with obstacles. I want to see how she handles these problems. Out of the two of them, Mei has the most to lose so to speak. I really want to see Mei FINALLY take a stand and actively choose Yuzu since in Citrus, it was just Yuzu making all the effort to be with Mei.

Of course I want to see them tackle the hardships together as well....

We all know they get married but I want to read their journey to get to their happily ever after because it’s going to be a rough road.

I’d also like to read about what happens after.

We are slowly watching them grow and I’m liking how the characters are evolving.

Senpai just gave the MC’s what they needed. They’re kind of in limbo, uncertain what to do next and whether or not they should progress so Kudos to Senpai for taking action once again.

It was deliberate and yes, devious, but it seems like she’s trying to help a fellow incester out.

I do think she was trying to fulfill her siscon desires but I don’t think it was malicious per se. Assuming she wasn’t lying about not really doing that kind of stuff with all other underclass people maybe she’s drawn to people like herself, suffering from having a love that’s unrequited/unconventional.

Birds of a feather do flock together after all....

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I like the message. People deal with these dilemmas all the time but for the context of the story it does seem out of place.

I know we only got snippets of Sun Jing’s mom but she seemed cool and not at all this high strung/overprotective.

While it would explain Sun Jing’s attire, it doesn’t account for her sporty attitude. I mean, why isn’t she worried that her daughter is sporty? Sun Jing could get injured playing.

Is the mom only worried about the harm other people could bring to her daughter? If that’s the case, her mom would have trouble with her friends. If she’s hanging around too many guys’ an overprotective mother could construe this as her daughter being prone to sexual assault.

Unless the naysayer wasn’t her mother? I mean she seemed to always be told what she shouldn’t do while wearing a backpack...

Besides Sun Jing pretty much did all those things, save for wearing a short skirt, at Mophead’s birthday party so maybe this isn’t really part of the story but more of a what if.

Now I'm sad. I've been quietly shipping Maron x Yuki for a while now.

Same. Maron is someone in a position to understand her since they both seem to be congenital. Of course I also ship Yuki with Ayano.

Yuki is too gay for Ayano to have feelings for other one and Maron will had her hands full since a new female collegue we come to @home and it's an energic catulus American teen

Yeah but it would have been interesting to see. Yuki spent her entire life with hardly any emotional connection. Suddenly these two beautiful and highly desired girls show interest in her? Shenanigans ensue...

Dang. Another new character? The mains are starting to feel like background characters.

Oh well. I hope there’s progress between the mains. It’s an enjoyable read.

That's for the next chapters

What is the love triangle or the reason why Maron and Anna are no longer friends?

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I was hoping for Maron/Yuki/ vs Yuki/Ayano but it seems that Maron’s still attached to Anna. Wonder what happened to cause the rift between the two of them.

Lol since I like Seju the most now, and loved Paradise, I'm fine with reading One. But might drop it afterwards.

I’m gonna wait til it’s all over before I read it. The drama will be rich and I don’t want to left hanging every week.

I think Sunhwa is plot device like Da Woon. She is not meant to be taken seriously. She is probably there for foreshadowing, like Seju and Sumin might become friends again if Seju gets over Sumin. Or something.

Agree on foreshadowing.

Sunhwa is the new CEO. Sumin loves banging CEOs. Chaos ensues.

Lol. Imagine she sets her eyes on both instead? Threesome ensues...

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Now am I biased towards certain characters? Yeah of course. I don’t like Sumin. But that doesn’t have anything to do with this analysis, I would have been happy with a story type A if it’s a good one. But it’s not lol

I swear I’m not trying to be contrary on purpose! It’s just that Pulse doesn’t nearly have as much drama as WDTFS.

Both are healing fics but Pulse is less complicated than WDTFS.

And like Es0teric said, your interpretation is based on your beliefs/experiences. That’s why you’re interpreting a lack of evidence while there are those that feel like there has been enough content to display that Sumin and Sungji are a better fit than Seju and Sumin.

Honestly, who wouldn’t like a dying girl who wishes to experience love for the first time?

I’m trying to pinpoint the cause of disarray. If it’s bias that might be subconscious because of a character preference, or if it’s a conflict of personal ideologies between characters and readers, or a lack of proper portrayal, or a detail that was missed, or a combination of all those things.

Of course our interpretations are based on our beliefs and experiences but some of the things I mentioned are not emotion/experience based. I’m not insinuating that I’m a robot and if I’m coming off as egotistical, well I guess that’s your interpretation. ; D

Anyway, some points were merely a rehashing of things which actually happened and things characters explicitly did or said.

Crucial occurrences that seem to have gotten lost in translation/forgotten/ignored.

But I think most of us can agree that TG is squeezing the story (for every penny it’s worth but this could just be me) and the story and characters are suffering for it.

It feels like neither stories are over.

Regardless of how we interpret the new chapters so far, if Paradise was supposed to be Seju centric then why, this late in the game, were we introduced to a new character that has nothing to do with her coming story arc?

TG could have just shown all of Sumin’s friends getting rejected repeatedly by her until they gave up trying, so why bother with the creation of Sunhwa?

It’s that plus Sumin’s whole ‘I’m afraid my past will hurt you.’ attitude, which demonstrates her healing isn’t finished in 108, that makes me think that even Sungjimin isn’t done either.

Begs the question: Sumin already cheated on Sungji with her first love so what more can possibly happen?

Honestly, TG is kind of repeating things at this point. Sunhwa is just like Sungji’s friend. They’re both characters that have been in love with the mains since high school who don’t get to be with their first love.

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@matsuri_wins Do you have any counterpoints to offer in regards to my observations from my previous post?

Like I said I’m not trying to start an argument or even change your mind. I’m really trying to comprehend your view point so I’m curioius as to what you have to say.

I confess to you and Es0teric that my objectivity and ability to remain logical and factual stems from my desire to understand where TG went wrong with their character portrayals.

I wish to know where TG lacked to depict key moments/situations/motivations/etc.

I’m not here because I have a side. I’m not here to fight for a character fave. I’m not here to try to debunk your beliefs. I’m not here because I feel you’re wrong and I’m right.

You have your reasons to feel the way you feel.

I’m simply trying to understand what’s missing in the story to make you believe that way so please, feel free to offer counterpoints.

Also, I’m enjoying the exchanges.

It’s nice to see that there are people capable of having healthy discussions even though we have opposing ideals.

So much Deja'vu in this thread. Life really is cyclical in nature.

Ha. Really? Like I said, new to the thread.

She was supportive of Sumin about the parents, she was just trying to get her out of depression by saying it was enough and she needed to react. Yes, in a rough way, but also Sumin was acting extremely defeated, and Seju was super worried. It wasn't unreasonable behaviour from Seju. I've had my gf do the same when I am acting like giving up on life because of difficulties. The proof that Sumin didn't think it was such a big deal, was because she wanted to make it up.

That’s based on your character. Sumin is designed differently from you. And the motivation that it was done out of tough love is lost in translation because Seju declares that she was afraid that Sumin was going leave her; hence why she picked a fight and got drunk.

Fear was what motivated Seju to be pushy, not love.

And like Sumin said, she pushes herself to move on because Seju is all she has left. It was more like ‘I’ll move on because that’s what you want and you’re the only person I have and I don’t want to lose anymore’ rather than ‘It’s not a big deal that you don’t understand me.’

I suspect that's the core of our difference in interpreting these characters. You seem to think understanding someone means being a doormat, not asking questions, not ever demanding anything. I don't see it that way. For me, this kind of thing is super unhealthy. But hey maybe in Korea it's some kind of ideal.

Like I said, it’s due to her inexperience/eagerness. She’s flawed but her flaws are intended to make her a more suitable partner for Sumin.

Sumin needed someone new and semi-desperate for her love in order to put up with her bullsh*t in the beginning. But slowly we’re seeing that it’s paying off.

I say slowly because the narrative’s being prolonged.

You just interpret every one of Sungji's actions as some kind of selfless act. Every time she was hurt and angry, she took off. Seju was hurt and angry too, her whole life, but she stayed.

Not every act. Her leading her friend on in order to see if she could move on from Sumin is scummy. She was still remembering Sumin so it’s clear she wouldn’t be able to give her friend any love. Also, I could say that the reason she’s so willing to be a doormat is because she wants Sumin to stay with her, which is selfish and unhealthy.

Provide a specific example as to how Sungji just ran off because she was hurt and angry. I’m not trying to goad you or anything. I’m really trying to understand your point of view and it’s been a while since I read the manga so there might be stuff I’m missing.

But Seju did run off because she was hurt and angry. The difference is something happened with Seju, something that cost her her forever, so she learned her lesson. She stopped drinking because she made a mistake.

Precisely my point: she is not a character, she is a plot device and "understanding of Sumin no matter what" is her only visible characteristic at this point, after starting out as an interesting character.

The way I see it, she doesn’t accept Sumin back after the cheating because she understands or has forgiven Sumin. I feel like she did it because she wants to keep loving her. It was hard trying to get over her so she just stopped resisting and Sumin was leaving and she didn’t want to lose her.

It’s a lot like that trope of why girls love bad boys. The whole ‘I can change them’ attitude.

Which seems to pay off because Sumin was the one who followed her to her friends wedding in hopes of reconciliation/just because Sumin wanted to see her. Sumin is also more open now about things, about her insecurities, and her past.

The plot device in the story are Seju’s family members and Nami.

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But from the way the story keeps shoving it to our faces, the message is that despite all that, the depth of loving emotions is not the same as experienced with Seju. Will it become the same or more? We will see, but we are 108 chapters into it and I sure ain't seen it. A good start for that to happen is to develop Sungji as a deeper character. Which I also ain't seen yet, quite the opposite lol She is getting progressively shallower from a pretty solid start, while Seju becomes deeper.

Like I said, it feels like TG’s still holding stuff back in an attempt to prolong the narrative. I mean I thought only Seju was going to get a story but then they show new content with Sungjimin. It’s almost like they’re testing the waters, gauging interest, to see if they can prolong Sungjimin as well.

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Lol ok this one statement shows me we will never agree in this lifetime >.>

I’m talking about the understanding Seju failed to bestow regarding Sumin’s parents death. She doesn’t belittle Sumin for being sad over her parents death even though it’s been 10 years.

Sumin is closed off with Sungji in the beginning of their relationship but Sungji doesn’t push Sumin, like some of Sumin’s past ex-girlfriends, to behave in a manner that Sungji finds acceptable.

In the hotel when she saw the fiancé ex, Sumin tells Sungji they’re leaving. Sungji doesn’t press her for the why’s or gets angry at her brashness.

Of course that’s probably due to her eagerness/inexperience but it’s instances like that which made a difference between Sungjimin and Sejumin.

And how did Sungji run off to protect herself? If you’re talking about the cheating then I’m inclined to remind that she’s hurt and angry. She walked away because she knew she was too emotional to talk and needed some time to collect herself.

But when Seju had to stay at Sumin’s, Sungji didn’t leave. That was when the drama could have escalated. She accepts that it’s necessary to save Seju’s life.

She only left Sungji because she realized Seju had no one and people were harshly judging Seju because she’s an illegitimate child of a secretary with a wealthy billionaire.

Sungji recognized that Sumin still loves Seju so there was hope for both of them to reconcile if she weren’t there.

That was her being selfless, not wanting Sungji to choose anymore as well as giving Seju someone to lean on during this trying time in her life.

Anyway let's just agree to disagree on this one...

Yes and I’m not saying Sungji is a saint or anything like that. She has flaws too but her flaws seem to be designed so she’d be more willing to understand Sumin.

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I honestly thought that the job and the apartment thing were weird too but then I remember Sumin’s scar/tattoo and I’m like it doesn’t matter where she lives/works, every time she’s naked in front of the mirror or soaping her body, she’s going to remember what happened.

Also, the betrayal happened like a month after her parents died so Seju’s betrayal is pretty much tied in there with her parents death anniversary.

I think in Sumin’s case, she kept those things because either she doesn’t want to forget the mistakes she made or, like in Sunhwa’s case, she hopes that she can still be friends with Seju one day.

I mean Seju has had a really f*cked up life and Sumin cares about her.

But yeah, I think Sumin just wants to be reminded of where she went wrong. Not like she’s punishing herself, but Sumin has to hold onto her memories in order to become a better person with Sungji.

Seju has to completely erase Sumin from her life in order to move on. She lived and breathed Sumin for 17 years. Just a trace of Sumin will make it impossible for her to properly move forward with her life.

People move on differently. Some need to forget while others need to remember the pain and find a way to push through it.

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Paradise Sumin hasn’t gone through pain, hasn’t experienced betrayal, hasn’t suffered through loss. Paradise Sumin is still naïve and hopeful, completely open to love. Current Sumin had walls because of her suffering. Current Sumin has things she has to deal with that Paradise Sumin did not.

Those walls, her damages, won’t just disappear just because she loves Sungji.

Sumin experienced pain and heartache yet is still willing to take a chance at repeating the cycle with someone she doesn’t really know that well demonstrates just how much Sungji means to her.

And her talking with Sungji about her insecurities demonstrates that she’s still healing, not yet fully healed but on her way.

Also, Seju almost died yet Sumin still rebuffed her advances and continually chose Sungji. It shows that Sumin loves Sungji most. Sungji who displayed patience and understanding that Seju had failed to do... but it’s pointless to rehash earlier points made in regards to character differences of Paradise Sumin and Current Sumin and the difference between Sejumin’s and Sungjimin’s relationships.

They’ll be easily dismissible if one believes that Sumin is only using Sungji as a scapegoat.

But I can understand how one can miss details or even be confused since TG seems to be unwilling to show happily ever afters yet.

Maybe it’s because of financial motivations. (Just like why Citrus end drama was extended for like 5 chapters only to be concluded in one quick chapter. There was intent to produce a spinoff hence why we’re given half happy endings.)

And yes, the story did suffer because of the extension.

Perhaps they (TG or the editors or a combination of both) were worried that if they used new ideas in a new story instead of incorporating them in WDTFS, the new series would not be as popular or maybe they couldn’t quite figure out how to start a new story.

Just because you have a good character doesn’t mean you can necessarily create a good story out of it.

Seju has been over dramatized and that’s why some will (mostly subconsciously) always fail to recognize the pain Sumin went through, the actions she took to rectify her situation with Seju, and the validity of Sungji as a romantic partner for Sumin.

There are some who hate Sumin for what she did and are glad to be rid of her. They’re glad that Seju will be in a non toxic relationship now.

But for some, Sumin and Sungji’s relationship will never feel like it’s enough because deep down, some attribute Seju’s overall happiness with her relationship to Sumin.

Meaning there are those that believe Seju’s happy ever after will always be with Sumin so whoever else Seju or Sumin are paired with will never feel like they deserve deserve/fully have their love. I mean, they were in love/involved for half their lives so that’s understandable.

It will also never feel like Sumin x Sungji compares to Seju x Sumin because, for some, there will always be that hope that Seju and Sumin will find their way back together.

That’s probably why it feels like Sungji is a weak character to Seju. Sungji hadn’t gone through as much. But I think that’s what Sumin needed. This is essentially the character parallel that I’m talking about.

Sungji is Sumin in the early stages of Sumin’s relationship with Seju but that’s beside the point.

Point is bias and having favorites prevent from seeing that certain characters and relationships have been provided with enough background/motivation/moments/etc. to solidify their arcs and romances.

Of course I am not trying to lump everyone in the same category. Nor am I trying to say how people should feel. I’m merely giving observations based on responses and reactions.

Having bias isn’t a bad thing though. It just means that the author did a great job with getting their readers to fall in love with their character.

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The author intent is clear but bias is preventing some from getting the message.

This story is about characters healing, about them growing. It’s about moving forward despite pain sustained from tragedies the characters experienced. It’s about finding happiness.

But some only see Seju. The majority of what has occurred to Sumin is grossly overlooked.

People refuse to accept Sumin’s pain and grief because all some see is the things she did to Seju during those 10 years.

Seju supporters are unable to sympathize with Sumin because their love for Seju is strong. Who could blame them since TG centered so much tragedy on her character. And some of it doesn’t make sense which is why I’m inclined to believe that Es0teric is correct. TG extended the story due to its popularity.

It’s kind of like the Transformers movies (though not nearly as horrible) and looking with objective eyes it’s clear that TG prolonged the narrative. Hence why we now have a story centered around Seju.

If Seju was meant to be THE main character from the beginning, then she would have been the center of the chapter prologue.

The story seems to be originally centered around Sungji and Sumin but in trying to redeem Seju’s character (In wanting her to not be the typical angry/b*tchy ex), they over developed her story to make her more sympathetic and turned her into one of the mains.

Either way, every main character in the story is humanized.

Sungji is not without her flaws. She’s 24 yet behaves like she’s a teen sometimes. Which I can understand to a certain extent since it’s her first experience with being in love. But she makes rash decisions like pretending to be sick to get off work so she can follow Sumin to her parents grave. It’s sweet but irresponsible. I don’t think she was off of her probation period yet. She’s lucky she’s gorgeous and likeable. Anyway, she’s immature at times, naive, inexperienced.

Still, the character stories parallel enough at times where one can see how things might have changed if people just did things a little differently.

Even though it's not something i'm going to read, i agree. I think Seju and her fans need some closure and i think it can be done without going around in circles and involving Sumin (Not that the two of them getting back together is entirely unthinkable).

I might just read the continuation when it’s finished. It’s not that I don’t like Seju, it’s just that they over dramatize her life too much to the point that it feels like there’s inconsistencies.

It’s like TG’s trying their hardest to give her such a hard time to the point where some of it doesn’t make sense plot/character (not so much Seju but people around her) wise like I stated before. So I’d rather read it when the drama is done then wait every week to see how they’ll add to/ease Seju’s suffering.

But keep up the good work of being the closest thing to an objective commenter on here anim8tur.

Thanks. I’m just pointing out things that happened in the story.

I try my best not to be biased when sharing my interpretations. I keep a level head, approach with facts, and of course logic.

TG has to fully develop Dawoon in order to make her worthy of having a love story with Seju, as well as properly depict Seju’s path to healing, or else it will never feel like they’re giving Seju a fulfilling ending. TG gave her the most tragic life so she should have the happiest ending.