Though to be honest of the two of them, Len is the most sensible one to go for, cause he's not a psycho manipulative jackass.

Well, what's the most sensible choice?

There's the girl who never did anything that you didn't okay first, never got angry, and whose entire stint of manipulation involved her lying about being supportive, convincing you to "practice" with her, and having a good poker face.

And then there's the guy who gets annoyed when you tell him to stop kissing you, angry and accusatory when you tell him that he's hurting you, and doesn't stop when you tell him to, which could probably be considered rape if she felt like calling him on it.

The former seems like a reasonable girl who is capable of keeping calm and /might/ turn into a yandere of some degree, which, depending on just how yandere she might go, could be anything from a pretty healthy relationship to her being incredibly possessive of her girlfriend. The latter seems like an abusive boyfriend or, at least, the beginnings of an abusive boyfriend, which is always unhealthy.

This is one of the most erotic things I've read in a while. Awesome stuff.

Are you just really into more subtle, tame works or are you just not aware that porn exists and can be found on this site?

I dont know why she breaks up, just because he lost the strap. he even apologized. Its not like he cheated on her?
she was overreacting.

The way she reacted when her sister sent the message by stepping on her phone makes it seem like she most likely had not thought the whole thing through and didn't give herself time to calm down. Any other genre and she would have either stared at the message for days before deleting it, or sent it and followed it up with an apology when she calmed down, at which point she'd stare at her phone waiting for him to reply and forgive her. But she now has to deal with her sister and her girlfriend, so she probably won't have much time to make that follow up or stare at her empty voicemail.

Regardless of the circumstances, nothing must stand in the way of the greatness that is Yuri. And if that means that the male love interest must be sacrificed over something like this, so be it.

There's seven major characters in the story and all of them have a distinct appearance (different hair anyway, but it's manga shut up) and personality, and people need to apparently reread it several times to understand what's happening even though it doesn't seem like it's that hard to follow.

This reminds me of people who whine about Game of Thrones being confusing.

I think its all about names. I'm at loss when the two talk about third and I'm like "who the hell she is?"
Plus all the understatements
Its not hard for somebody whos good at memorizing. But somebody's me ^_^'''

Ah that is true, I didn't really know Meru's name (or Asuna's beyond what letter it started with) before I actually made an effort to look for it.

There's seven major characters in the story and all of them have a distinct appearance (different hair anyway, but it's manga shut up) and personality, and people need to apparently reread it several times to understand what's happening even though it doesn't seem like it's that hard to follow.

This reminds me of people who whine about Game of Thrones being confusing.

Fue (sleepy) and Asuna (glasses) are dating. Meru (short dark hair) is jealous of their relationship and seems to be having an affair with Asuna, though that one scene might just be them as roommates or something.

From the way Remi mentioned Asuna as Meru's ex-wife I have a feeling that they are either former roommates with benefits or just ex-girlfriends (with benefits). Seeing the Mangaka history and the theme of the manga itself I really don't buy it that they are merely changing in the same room.

no. reread.

Can't really tell which part you're saying no to, since the answer is buried deep under your incredibly elaborate and informative post, but...

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_feelings_we_all_must_endure_ch02#1

Unless Meru's got someone else Remi would call an "ex-wife" (during a conversation about Asuna and Fue's relationship), she seems to be talking about Asuna.

Fue (sleepy) and Asuna (glasses) are dating. Meru (short dark hair) is jealous of their relationship and seems to be having an affair with Asuna, though that one scene might just be them as roommates or something.

I'm pretty sure Meru is having an affair with Asuna.
http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_feelings_we_all_must_endure_ch02#19
Kind of disappointed though, Fue is such a nice/cool girl. Well in my opinion that is.
Well, there's still that possibility that Meru is trying to seduce Asuna and she's sorta wavering. It seriously looks like Asuna is actually cheating on Fue though.

Oh I'm sure Meru wants there to be an affair, and they probably are having one, but didn't want to say it as a definite since Asuna could have just been getting dressed in their shared room and be the target of Meru's unwanted advances. The wish that Fue could have a nice relationship with her girlfriend causes me to look to every possible explanation other than the most likely one.

I'm having an extremely hard time keeping up with everybody because the characters look too similar. Hopefully re-reading it a few times will fix that.

Fue (sleepy) and Asuna (glasses) are dating. Meru (short dark hair) is jealous of their relationship and seems to be having an affair with Asuna, though that one scene might just be them as roommates or something.

Ruki (Protagonist) likely has feelings for Sacchan (long dark hair) who is in a relationship with a guy who is probably cheating on her.

And Remi seems like she will either be the person who'll be with Ruki in the end or is attempting to manipulate everyone (or just Ruki/Sacchan) into finding their 'true' match. So far she's opened Ruki up to the lesbian option, slept with Meru, and is both advising Sacchan on her suspicious boyfriend and trying to seduce her at the same time.

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http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/oddman_11_ch08#7
oh man now my day is ruined

Just have hope that, when the ending finally comes, Setsu goes with one, some, or all of the female Oddmen instead of the guy. It won't make the het go away, but it'll help you forget about it.

Anyone who read this and thought there might have been redeeming parts needs to step back and look at the whole work's message as a whole and critically think about it.

What, that a lot of humans are driven by self serving and self centered, letting their fears and anger control their actions AND using them as a excuse for treating others terribly? Stories like this are more like a hyper condensed take on human natures, or at least the author's view of it.

Except it doesn't stop with an acknowledgement that people would use fear and peer pressure as an excuse to treat others horribly, because that's kind of what it had going for it when it was leading up to the final bullshit sections. If it had stopped there, that would be great.

But it didn't. It decided to say that those excuses are completely valid and they justify whippings, beatings, torture, hospitalization, and every other horrible thing that happens to the pseudo-slaves. Calling anyone a "villain" for doing those things when they can use that excuse is simply seeing things from one side, when you should be wondering about the horrible, horrible pain they're suffering from as they enslave and torture people. You should be concerned about making sure that not only are their victims given some happiness, but the abusers' get happiness as well, and achieving that is definitely worth letting the abusers turn women into slaves and torturing them for a few years.

That's the joke of the story, they also subtly referenced scott pilgrim in I think chapter 2

I don't think you can call the references "subtle."

Ahh, that would've been great. I was really thinking Yuki was the obvious choice, given all the early signs in volume 5. Personally, I prefer Reiko...as outlined in the left-most 4-koma;

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/shitsurakuen_vol_3_omake#7

Ahh Reiko is definitely a close second behind Yuki, and is probably the only one amongst the girls (other than Sora and Tsuki) whose ending actually made some sense considering Sumita didn't spend the entire series torturing people.

It is a good choice, but the best choice is the one that they spent the last few chapters destroying.

Curious about who the best choice was.

The best choice would be one that involves all of them, but I can see how an ending like that could come across as kind of forced or awkward if the artist didn't work it really well. Other than that I liked the relationship with Yuki, though that just makes it my preference, not the "best."

For some of us, the yuri or lack of it was not the central problem of the ending, but the fact that the story makes a sickening attempt to try to establish an equivalency between the male abusers and their female victims, which then has the victims forgiving, apologizing to, and even finishing in romantic relationships with their abusers at the end.

So, what made you feel worse: the epilogue where everyone is forgiven because peer pressure(!) made them do it and they end up in relationships with their former victims, or the backstory where the entire female slavery system and all its abuse, torture, and (likely) rape, were all for the noble purpose of letting old chauvinists die happily believing that their leader was just like them?

Ahh, this brings back memories of a really promising series with an ending that brings forth nothing but hatred.

Agreed but I like who she chooses :3

It is a good choice, but the best choice is the one that they spent the last few chapters destroying.

What a convoluted way to make your love interest available (and vulnerable), but when you're a ponytail-sporting master manipulator, what else are you going to do for fun?

Why are they calling her "son" and "boy" even though she's clearly a girl? o.O (Makihara You-kun/chan)

To make the Jesus parallels more obvious, presumably

Hmm, I thought it might be foreshadowing You being a futanari, since that would make the whole son/boy thing more than just an arbitrary thing for symbolism's sake.