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I wish it focused on them as a adults, instead of going into past. Also the whole drama felt so shoehorned and unrealistic. The whole, "we met as a children, spend nice time together, but I totally forgot because of x", is rarely done well. I can understand her forgetting about her family life, but if meeting her was the only good thing that happened in her childhood, that is even more the reason she would remember it and realize it is her when they meet again later. Overall it started promising but ended up being pretty boring.
I can't remember how Wife and Wife altered its "fufu"
It used ふ～ふ, hiragana and a ～ for its long vowel instead of う or a ー (normal straight long vowel mark).
but this is the base phrase with kanji: "未来の夫婦ですけど？" I believe.
It uses ふうふ, so hiragana, not kanji.
Since I was only going by how Wife and Wife title was translated and the romanji used here, I didn't even know fuufu is a actual word. I just thought it was a shortened version of repeated word "waifu" x3
Either way I wouldn't overanalyze it. It is obvious that word for "married couple" would use the kanji for husband and wife and they don't have word for gay married couple yet, so author just went with what they had. I doubt it is supposed to suggest that one of the characters will actually marry a guy in the future.
People are allowed to express distaste for a joke they think is unfunny and inappropriate. Something being intended as a joke doesn't exempt it from being subjected to critical thought.
Which still is not a rape. No matter what you say, calling it rapey is too much. If you want to criticize something, do it, but at least criticize it properly. Simply saying rapey every time you see something a bit inappropriate is not a proper criticism. Honestly, I agree that nowadays word rape lost its meaning and power, because people seems to use it for everything that make them even just slightly discomfortable.
She Just had an orgasm, didn't she?
Pretty much.
But I think Komaki doesn't actually like her like that yet
I agree. She doesn't like her that way yet, but I can imagine it changing over some time.
Wow did not see that coming x3 (pun intended).
The story of a future married couple
Always nice to see a story that confirmes they will be yuri instead of having us praying it isn't bait/subtext.
Well, you can get it from title since it means something like "In the future we are wife and wife though?"
God I really am loving this. I don't really see how they would ever end up together for real... But I'll just leave that over to author-san
It feels like Komaki doesn't actually dislike Hishikawa. In fact she seems like she like her stubbornness and enjoy playing straight woman to her antics. Once Hishikawa realizes she can be honest with her feelings toward Komaki I can totally see them hooking together.
So I don't want to be that person that has to always find a Yuri ship.....but is it just me or is there something between the MC and Chizuru?
Nah, this work is just as gay as her other works and there seems to be some subtext. MC seems to be interested in Chizuru without realizing it. That being said, work only has 2 volumes with 14 chapters and they seems to end without any actual paring so I wouldn't get my hopes too high.
Unless I've always misunderstood, and the released dates mean when the actual work was published online or in stores.
Yes. That is exactly that. Dynasty uses the date when work was first released by scanlation group. So if they upload something that was out for few years, it will have that date instead (personally it just make it really confusing and is not too practical).
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and you're wrong assuming that as yuri fans we want animes to be 100% about yuri
I know not everyone is like that, that is why I said some. Still they exist and I saw them in action here on dynasty enough times. I got a bit similar vibe with the way you were talking about Mais, hence my respond.
and my complain was because I decided to watch one of the most famous yuri anime in the world
I really feel bad for you about this. As person who watched it somewhere near its release, I think when I watched it, anime was already finished, I had no idea about show, so I watched it without any expectations. I really don't know why it is considered yuri anime at all. Sure it had a lesbian which people started writing/drawing about and I suppose since they only cared about yuri they kept talking about that ship, but in the end, the show isn't about them at all. They are one of many things in this show and not even that important. I suppose it is because back then there was barely any yuri so for people that was what they could consider yuri anime, so I can understand why by today's standards it is nowhere near what you would expect from it. And of course if only thing you hear about this show is that is has popular paring, that there is tones of materials about them on the internet, you would start building certain expectations of what you will get in show, when in fact, their is not much of their interactions shown during entire series as there is too much other stuff going.
(it wasn't all that good either with many silly chapters)
You keep using word "chapter", when we (I at least) talk about anime, so I'm not sure if you just use it instead of "episode" or you still talk about manga and never watched anime, because if that is the case (the ecchi scenes you describe don't ring a bell, but maybe I just don't remember them) then you really should not base quality of anime, based on manga, because even with it's faults, anime is way better.
The story starts to get interesting after some ten episodes, before that it's pretty much pointless episodes and fanservice.
I'd probably agree with you if I'd rewatch the show, as it was really long since then so I only remember the good parts. As I said, both shows are far from perfect, but they had enough good and interesting concepts and drama, to let me ignore those parts (it was also when I was starting getting into anime for real, so I was most likely much more forgiving than I'm now)
By the way, that reminds me, the series was clearly not aimed at girls, you don't put tentacles and naked girls in series aimed at girls. Not that this is a problem, I just remember you implied that in the text.
I actually said it about Mai Otome, but I see your point. I guess the target audience can be argued, but I'm personally not fan of setting hard lines, because everyone enjoys different things and some girls do like tentacles and naked girls (we all can agree about second part).
because it took 1/3 of the series in a melodrama typical of soap operas
I guess. I was just so taken into setting and other stuff I could ignore it or it didn't bother me as much. Or again, I wasn't exposed to it enough yet to actually bother me. Also remembering only good parts still applies. I'm pretty confident in still enjoying this series after rewatching it again though.
The sequel OVAs were actually pretty fun, what makes me sad, because that was what the series could be.
I really didn't like anything about the prequel OVAs, but still.
Ironically I found prequel OVAs better than sequel. I like sequel, it expend on world, shows how things changed, had some really cool moments and fights, but I felt like it was too dragged out and had too many unnecessary things. Also the whole plot was pretty convoluted, though I liked some parts of it. On the other hand prequel was pretty tied and to the point, the conflict was simple and of course we get to see Rena in action, since in original show we didn't even see her and only heard about how badass she was when alive.
Just to correct something, but Sergay and Nina are supposed to be a couple in the OVAs. Arika makes a point that them didn't have sex yet, but they implied they would do eventually. It's just that they wanted Nina fighting there, so...
I see. Then I didn't remember that. Now that you mention, I do vaguely remember something like that in OVA. I do agree on them just wanting Nina to show up for a fight.
So, just to be clear, my biggest problem with the series are writing flaws, not the lack of yuri. I just focused on that point here because that was what was brought, and people think about the anime as "yuri anime", for some reason, what is wrong.
Sure and yea, it really is not yuri anime. I guess people who mostly recommend it, are people who got into yuri because of it and after spending so much time on reading/writing/drawing doujins and fanfics about them, they forgot what anime is actually about. They really should update those lists or at least give a short note of actual amount of yuri in them. I guess something like our Ultimate Yuri Anime List.
I hope neither of you felt offended, as that was not my intention and at no point I was trying to insult anyone.
Wow you guys are really selling Mai animes short...
Sure they weren't perfect, but they were far from the garbage you are making them to be. Well first of all, I agree that mangas are trash that shouldn't exist. You have 2 animes with main female protagonist and in general focused around female cast and what do you do? You make 1 manga into ecchi with male protagonist and turn 3 main girls that except for 1, had no interest in him whatsoever, into his harem and in other you turn the main character into guy who cross-dresses and make actual main character from anime into comic relief and in general turn pretty serious anime into comedy. Yea, did not read far into mangas.
About yuri, yes there is not much of it and it isn't the best industry has to offer, but that is the issue. Those series weren't about yuri, so going with expectation of seeing it will ruin your experience of it for sure.
Mai-hime was het with 1 side character that happened to be lesbian. To be honest, people say like she is typical villain, you know, not straight people always ending up as evil ones, but she was actually more flashed than that. If you are going to say yuri in those series were the product of the time, then she showcase it perfectly. She was a normal girl that just happened to fall in love with her female friend, but lived in society where she would be ridiculed and ostracized for it. So she kept it hidden. And then she was put into some kind of battle royal where live of her loved one was on stake, so she gave it her all to win. She was pushed to edge trying to protect what was the most important thing to her and the worse thing, she couldn't rely on or confide in anyone, especially the one she cared the most about. So all this pushed her to her limit and made her lose control over herself. So yes, she is a product of her environment, but it wasn't like she was evil from start or anything. Her hidden desires just took better of her after quelling them for so long and being put into such extreme situation. In the end she was just human guided by her emotions.
Majority of series is het, so you really should watch it with that in mind. And even the only potential lesbian couple, is not the happiest one as I just said. There actually also seems to be a possible love triangle between Mai, Tate and Mikoto as relationship and connection between Mai and Mikoto does get really close. By the end of the series Mai is basically fighting to save Mikoto because she become so close to her and from what I remember ending pretty much implies all 3 of them hanging together, despite Mai and Tate technically hooking up.
But anyway, that is all just fluff. The core of the story is about fighting each other for ultimate price. As Wtv mentioned, and I totally agree with them, the core story was done really well. You have characters who were born with mysterious power and suddenly they are forced to fight between each other until there is just 1 girl standing (and yes, of course it is only girls) so you already have some heavy drama in it. Made even heaver when the "are you prepared to put at stake what is the most important to you?" turns out to not be your own life, as Mai thought at first, but the life of the person you care about the most. So already, you don't even really fight for your own life, but life of the person you might even care more than yourself and you unwittingly dragged them into it without them even knowing. Just because you have any feelings for them. And it isn't even about love. Mai herself is actually pretty complex character. Her younger brother has a hearth defect and he needs to be supervised 24/7 so she basically sacrificed her entire life to care for him. She even went to the same school as he just so she can watch over him. So she already lost a lot of her youth just at age of 15. For the majority of the series the person that will die if she loses, is actually her younger brother. Sure, series has some comedy and relieve moments, but the further you go, the more dramatic it gets. Other characters with powers are being revealed, fighting become more and more common place and finally there start to be casualties. To me the peak was around episode 20 when the girl that fallen for Mai's younger brother loses and he dies on her eyes which sets her into unstoppable rage. I can't of course not mention the most tragic character which is Alyssa, who has been artificially created to posses power, just so she can take part in this ritual. Her death scene and song is probably one of the most touching scenes in entire anime. So yea, it is just not "het anime with shitty yuri". There is a lot characters driven by different motivations and not all of it is love, with plenty of tragedy and suffering. And yea, I agree retconning that everyone lives was a really dumb idea, but I guess they wanted series to have a uplifting ending instead of traumatizing one. It was kinda explained with Mai recreating the world as she wished, meaning she could just make everything as it was, but yea, it took a lot of weight out of it.
Mai Otome is very similar in a lot of regards, as in, it starts all fun and nice, but as the series progress and especially, after the shift in entire setting, the series gets really dark. First of all, being a Otome (the equivalent of magical girl in this world), is not fun. You are being trained to be a weapon of mass destruction. The way they solved peace in this world is that instead of armies, every country has few Otomes that do the battles for them (iirc they do still have armies, but they are not as effective). So basically your country sends you to academy to be trained to be Otome, once you get back you get contracted with someone and then for the rest of your life (or until you bang a man) you are working as your country entire fire power. I guess since I brought it up I should address it. In a lot of magical girls and similar anime, there is usually really no explanation why they are only girls. Usually they are just because that is what this anime is about, but there is no a in world explanation why a guy can't get that power. So Mai Otome explained it by saying that the nanomachines that you are given to use the Robes, are actually really sensitive to one male enzyme found in sperm so any contact with it will make them stop working and girl will develop immunity to nanomachines, hence they can't be use by male and why you are not allowed any sexual intercourses with guys ). In fact, one of the running gags is that 1 girl that is engaged to prince of one country and is trained to be their Otome, have to be watched 24/7 to prevent them from fucking like rabbits because they love each other so much, they don't give 2 single fucks about country safety.
Entire Arika, the main protagonist of the series and aspiring Otome. I really love her character, because to me she embodiments everything good about human nature. Sure, she is childish (as any 15 years or so would be) and naive, but she is honest and wants to believe in people. She doesn't want to fight, but rather want to find a peaceful solution that will make everyone happy. She wants power to protect, rather to destroy. She of course evolves over the series and learn life is not that easy, but her core doesn't change and she always try her best to communicate first. You also have second main protagonist Mashiro, which is the 15(?) years queen of the country Arika is from. Only reason she is a queen is because the previous one died and they needed someone to inherit the throne, just so they have a ruler, and she was the only candidate for it. She is spoiled and doesn't want to do any work, so obviously someone else actually rule the kingdom. Only after meeting Arika and contracting with her by accident, she realizes how spoiled she was and she actually tries to change herself to become a proper queen. So they have a interesting dynamic where Arika is people's person trying to make sure everyone is happy and Mashiro that tries to be a good ruler and sometimes have to make hard choices. Of course there is also a lot bickery between them. By the end of the series you could say, they basically are a couple, (more on that later). So of course there is a lot of other characters I won't be going into detail here.
Also the powers and fights are kick-ass. I really love the idea of Robes, which you equp using different gems in your earring. You couldn't possibly get more girly way to use your power. You have some basic powers and skills, but depending on gem you get access to unique weapons and abilities. In order to use the strongest gems you need to make a contract with someone which is why it is such a big deal and countries usually contract their rulers/presidents with their main Otomes. Btw. probably the most interesting aspect of it all is the fact, that in order to use Robes you have to connect to internet... I'm not even kidding. Unless you make a contract with someone, which allows you to draw power from them I guess (I don't really remember details or if it even was explained in series) and only if they are close enough, you actually connect with manmade satellite that connect you to server and allows materialization. Without it, you can't use your Robe and have to rely only on your basic strength. The best part it is a freaking plot point in the show!. So at first it is all nice and comedy, but as the story goes you start to realize how fucked up this world is. To not look to far, the entire Otome system is messed up, because it is basically using children as a weapons. The reason it was created was to lower the bloodshed and make peace by giving everyone equal power, because only Garderobe Academy (clever name right xD?) has the lost technology they use to create Otome. But even this doesn't work in the long run as human greed is stronger and other countries try to find a way to size the technology just for themselves, which is basically what happens later and leads to all out war. So of course because there is all sort of factions at play, there is a lot conflict between different characters, since they are on different sides and once peace is broken they have to fight each other. I could try to describe all of it, but I'd be basically describing entire anime and no matter how much I do, it won't give you the full experience and attachment I felt, when bad things were happening to characters I grow to like.
So as Wtv said, the whole yuri thing came natural from the setting and circumstances the girls are set in and there was 1 character that basically was a evil lesbian. I can't really defend her since in the end she was pretty much evil, but I guess evil people can happen to be lesbians too? Other stuff is legit though. Similar like with Mai Hime, but here much prevalent is the idea of friendship. Sure, there is het too, but it is not only about that and definitely not just about wanting to suck someone's dick. You go to school together. You sleep in the same room. You spend time. And then you are forced to fight each other to dead in the name of your country. That is what happens to Arika, Nina and Erstin in which Erstin dies killed in cross-fire. After that Nina and Arika parts ways and while Nina is filled with hatred towards Arika, Arika never stops believing in her friend and until the end of the series she tries to convince her to stop fighting and later saves her. Sure, of course you can look into their relationship with yuri googles, but as was mentioned before both of them fall in love with Sergay. I won't go into too much details with it, but I didn't mind it that much since, 1. as if no girl ever fallen for older, cool guy who is dependable and somewhat handsome, 2. in the end it is still anime aimed at girls, so there had to be some romance, 3. I don't really remember that well if he actually liked back either of them and even if, I'm not as outraged just because of age difference, because something like consent and mutual feelings exist even for 15 years old girls, but hey, they are trained to be weapons of mass destruction and actually fought in real battles, in the setting of the world they are pretty much considered adults that can make their own decisions. And yes, Nina tried to sleep with him, I don't remember details, but part of it was that she was sick of being Otome and responsibilities she had because of it, so she tried to get rid of her power, but in the end they didn't do it. Don't remember because of who and if Sergay agreed to date her or not. But even if, and you still want to criticize them because of it, their love is not all sunshine and rainbows, as at the end of series Sergay gets injured and he lost all his memories because of it, so last time they are shown, they live together, but I don't think they are actually a couple, she is more taking care of him, because of his amnesia. Especially since in sequel she still has Otome's power so they didn't have sex. As for Arika, as I mentioned before, she had some feelings for Sergay, but later, especially since he turns out to work for bad guys and runs away with Nina, it become less and less relevant and by the end of series is basically forgotten, as her entire motivation turns into stopping war, saving Nina. By the end of the show she is left with Mashiro as her Otome and as I mentioned before, a huge part of the show revolves around their relationship and how they grow closers and learn to trust each other, so you can ship them as much as you want. Especially since in OVA once Mashiro goes missing Arika is totally out of it and even 1 character comments, she looks like someone who is lovesick (as in, she is missing her lover).
I guess I should have mention it at the beginning, but the whole deal with Mai Hime/Otome is that those stories are set in alternative universes, hence why a lot of characters appears in both with basically same personalities/relationships and usually similar powers (not because staff was just too lazy to design different ones, I'm sure). So say what you want about ShizuNatsu and the crazy lesbian, but both series gave us the awesome and wonderful friendship (love, if you choose to interpret it as such, they do act like a married couple in Mai Otome) of Haruka and Yukino. Not to mention Haruka in Mai Otome is one of the badassest characters in anime I saw in general. Especially her scene in OVA where she was the only one that manage to deal dmg to mysterious bad after she was already defeated.
I don't really remember the lap dancing thing.
Well there was some yuri teasing in prequel OVA, which was a bit weird, but I didn't mind it much since we were introduced to Garderobe's Monster, the strongest Otome to ever live and every single frame of anime with her in it was awesome. She was so strong, normal gems would break just from her using it, even those special gems you need to make a contract with someone would not be strong enough for her to go all out. She had to find lost, special gem that had 2 stages to contain all her power. The last scene where she single-handedly defeats all of current Five Columns, best Otomes picked to govern the school, gives me chills everytime I see it. The translation here ruins her sorta catchphrase of "If you look away, you'll die." though.
Also both series has good soundtrack, but especially Mai Otome's was amazing.
So yea, I can understand the desire to watch something that 100% focus on yuri, but I also like watching something where yuri is just one of the parts, or sometimes it just happens to be there and is not really a focus, but including it is a nice touch, but honestly attitude of some yuri fans really pisses me off. Only wanting something to be 100% devoted to yuri and if it isn't or doesn't fulfill their specific demands and expectation in exact way, they will bash and burn it to dead. A lot of subtext anime/manga, that basically are 100% yuri and devoted to yuri, just didn't go 1 step more of actually saying "I love you", "My girlfriend" or "We are going out", are destroyed, because of some unreachable standards and deemed as simply "fanservice, male pandering trash".
Also, I didn't see either of those series in like 10 years and yet I remember so much of them, because they left that strong impression on me. Sure they have their goofy moments and aren't perfect, but I have really good memories of them and especially Mai Otome, has been stuck with me since then, so people trashing them, just because there is no enough yuri and too much het, as if that was all that mattered in show (not to mention, how overexaggerated some of those claims are) really annoys me. I didn't bother with spoilers for the most part, because people already concluded they are trash not worth watching, so unless I spoil stuff, nobody is going to give them second chance.
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Kimi No Todoke has been one of my favorite anime and manga novel.
The series died for me when they finally confessed to each other and then manage to both misunderstand each other confession for rejection and then series dragged a bit more before they finally made up and got together.
I love her work so much I believe it's on par if not better than milk morinaga who is said to be the goddess of yuri
Lett alone hetero author, the best mangaka are doing hetero.
And how it make them best yuri mangaka?
I can't remember what happens but at the end a noodle comes out of her nose and she asks her girlfriend to take a picture
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sweet_little_devil_series_girls_dont_cry#5
Thanks for reminding me about this gem. I almost forgot about it.
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Japanese does how their own version of Patreon, called Enty, where btw Galette is funded, so I think it could be a realistic alternative as well. It is all matter of how many people would actually support them I guess.
That was cute ♥
This ending makes me happy. I enjoy being happy sometimes.
Is this an ending? It's still marked as on-going.
It had 3 parts. This was last. They probably forgot to change status. This one is called as "Last Part" so ;v
Well I didn't bet, because I read the raw ;v
Wow. What a fail. I was sure it was the cotton candy thread xD. Well I still did think of translating this one too, but now I feel stupid x3.
Wow. I was honestly thinking they forgot about it xD
I was in a couple of Discord servers but they went so fast that I had trouble keeping up.
Yea. Chat is good when it is smaller group. When 10+ people talk at the same time it is hard to keep up and actually make meaningful conversation. I gave up on it pretty fast as well. Especially since I didn't have entire day to try and keep up with it.
I mean people did talk to me and I talked to them, but none of it really went anywhere. I just ended up getting overwhelmed and left, but that seems to be happening a lot to me lately.
It is best when you just want to kill time for a bit. You can get some good conversation, but unless it is like group of friends, it usually isn't good for the long term. When you click with someone it would probably be better to move conversation to private.
Maybe I'm just trying too hard with this being social and making conversation thing
Nah. I guess it is more the issue with how forums work in general. It depends on a lot of factors I guess. You probably would have bigger chance bringing it up in some sort of chat room. Stuff gets ignored in threads a lot of times (knows from experience).
I dunno. I probably came off as a total ass in that post which wasn't intentional, so I apologise.
You didn't. It was normal. You just weren't lucky and people didn't respond or notice. There is nothing to be sorry about.
I just really want to talk about the thing I'm into right now, which just so happens to be Kindred Spirits.
I can feel you. Finding people to talk with about stuff you are interested in can be hard. I guess this thread is not as active as before, so trying to small chat here is not as easy as before. Or people simply don't have time for this.
I'm also not feeling too great right now either so that doesn't help...
pats
Not gonna lie I'm a little bummed out that no one asked about Kindred Spirits on the Roof even though I've been intentionally bringing it up so someone will ask me about it... I mean it's yuri, I thought everyone was obsessed with that here? I mean yeah it's a visual novel which is kinda a video game, but still.
Well I have it. I played it. I enjoy it so far for the most part. Didn't really play it since a while though and didn't really felt like I have anything to say. I guess not a lot users check this off topic thread, not a lot users check threads other than those for manga discussions in general, and even there they often don't bother to read anything others wrote, so I'd say don't feel bad about it? Maybe nobody that could add anything read your post at the time.
I said that I didn't want to read this that much before, but now that I see it again I want to see what happend .-.
I planned to tl it, but seeing how fast I work cough Nutmeg cough, I was kinda glad someone else picked it up, but now it really feels like they left you guys hanging
How do two people miscommunicate so badly that one of them ends up in the entirely wrong city thinking they've had to leave all their friends behind?
They are in yuri manga.