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Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Also the age difference between the two is less than I thought, i was thinking 2-3 years but Mai is 22 and Asumi has recently turn 21(she can drink now), only they're only one year apart (1.5 maybe? )

On this page:

THREE YEARS LATER

So… three years, give or take?

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Somehow this is even sweeter and more upbeat than Teiji ni Agaretara. This is Tadokoro-san levels of wholesome. I love it.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

All right! Finally caught up!

Having not had the mis/fortune to read My Unrequited Love, the story this most reminds me of is instead Ikoku Nikki. Both are about a schoolgirl living with a relative in the wake of a death, and both are about the serpentine way our minds wrap themselves around the grieving process (in both stories, it's well past the halfway point that Shino / Asa have their moment of catharsis where they realize that their dead loved ones are really gone forever). The differences between them make them feel more like complements than copies, though. This story leans on yuri tropes and conventions, and Ikoku Nikki, despite having at least one unambiguously lesbian couple, feels more shaped by BL conventions (and also has a more seinen / yaoi art style as well). Neither of them seems to be in a hurry to resolve, and in Ikoku Nikki it's even less clear what the endgame is than here. In both cases, though, the ride is way more interesting than the destination.

People have commented on the level of drama in this, but I think if anything it undersells the impact of grief and loss. The story doesn't often dwell on it, but Shino is only 17, and has lost not only both parents but her surrogate parent / brother. Especially in a culture that places so much emphasis on family life (at least during childhood), that's a nearly unimaginable amount of loss. Chapter 67 captured this really well – I, too, have had really confusing mornings of visiting my father with my ex before we drive to visit my grandparents in a dream, and have had to spend a couple hours sometimes reorienting myself after I wake up and I'm pushing 50. Grieving's not some kind of XP grinding process where you feel really sad for some length of time and then you pop out of it with a Lvl 3 Adulting skill. It's something that comes and goes fitfully, and you can absolutely be totally calm or even laughing one moment and then be right back in the grip of devastation just by seeing a calendar date or an old ad on TV.

I get that the very slow pace of the story messes with the reader's sense of the passage of time, but it's been a little over a year since Taishi died at this point in the story, which is really not very long at all for people processing the death of their husband / last close family member. Also, the story doesn't dwell on this at all, but the way Taishi died is profoundly fucked up – dead of a cold at the office, like something out of an isekai prologue. It's a situation practically (and maybe literally) designed to stymie easy closure. I really like the way the story shows rather than telling us how it plays out, and the different ways that Nozomi and Shino (don't) talk about Taishi's death.

Another thing I like is that this story is full of characters who prioritize other people's needs over their own, and the way it very quietly shows the risks and consequences of doing that. WIth Nozomi and Shino most obviously (and I loved how Heidi's explanation of interdependency was both more or less right and heartwarming but was undermined by her own experiences and loss), but also with Ritsuko, Heidi, and Minato. Putting on a brave front or self-deprecation turn into self-abnegation very easily, and also can push away the people you're trying to hold tight.

last edited at Mar 21, 2021 4:13AM

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

This district court judgment isn't the actual change to the laws, but it does remove one of the barriers to making the change. Not to discount the difficulty of persuading the Diet to care, but there is progress.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

This arc feels pretty timely what with all the production shenanigans happening at BONES and Cloverworks (SK8 the Infinity and (my beloved) Wonder Egg Priority both having unplanned recap episodes and a ballooning number of key animators and cleanup artists, The Promised Neverland 2nd season being a chaotic mess).

I like the way Ikeda incorporates these realistic details, especially because they're not the primary focus of the story. This series seemed really simple at the outset, but it has a lot going on, and does a lot in a few pages in each chapter.

Also everyone should check out Wonder Egg Priority. It's not explicitly yuri (but it's more than just subtext, in my opinion at least) and it's not perfect, but unless things completely lose the plot in the last couple episodes, it'll be the best show to deal with such heavy themes since maybe Paranoia Agent. It's also beautiful and has great character design.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Gold. Straight into favorites.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Sasameki Koto is a classic and all but I think I actually like this series better. All the sharp observations of relationships and slice of life comf, much less of the over-the-top Rumiko Takihashi slapstick / misunderstanding vibes.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Uhhh... Nikaidou, that's not a very effective threat, you know.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

On the ace topic I would like people to keep in mind she could also just be deeply repressed. A lot of lesbians (myself included) struggle(d) sexually and often considered ourselves possibly asexual or ambivalent to sexual things because we have little to no framework about sexuality and the lesbian experience outside of pornography that's made to titillate men and isn't anywhere near our experiences in reality.

It seems likely repression, self-loathing, and maybe even some internalized homophobia are all things Hinako is sorting through. Her reactions to dating at the beginning of the story were portrayed as so extreme as to be aversion rather than simple disinterest. But since then, she's calmed down a lot and is pretty obviously feeling something more than just friendship for Asahi, and wants to spend all or most of her free time with her. Even so, she's still not sure if she wants to kiss Asahi or do other things with her, and it's not like she's avoiding thinking about it, seeing how she talked to a near-stranger about it (also, ouch, sorry Fuuka). She genuinely doesn't seem to know what she wants. Compare her to Shimizu in Still Sick, who wasn't interested in physical intimacy until the first time she gets up close and personal with another woman.

I'm guessing we're going to find out what Hinako's actual deal is very soon (woo! sleepover! I don't think Asahi's intentions in "running away" to Hinako's place were entirely pure!), but based on what the story has shown, it seems equally likely to me that Hinako is ace, demi, or working through a wicked comp het hangover.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Honestly I feel pretty bad for Fuuka. Asahi really is dense lol.

If Asahi were going to have become interested in Fuuka, it would have happened a long time ago. Fuuka missed her moment (either because she didn't make a move or because Asahi just wasn't emotionally available) and now Asahi is relying on her as what she is – a close friend of the family. We know about Fuuka's frustration with the state of their relationship because she's open about it with Hinako and Subaru, but she keeps herself on guard around Asahi. I don't think Asahi is dense – if anything, she's allowing herself to not see what Fuuka is not sharing with her because it's simpler for her. It's simpler for both of them, even if it's painful for Fuuka.

Part of what makes this story interesting is that Hinako and Asahi are both ambivalent about romantic relationships for very different reasons – Hinako because she has a very fraught relationship with desire (or is just asexual), Asahi because she has sublimated so much of herself into her work as a way of coping with grief and because she feels responsible to Subaru. Subaru and Fuuka are relatively straightforward by comparison, which is why it's not entirely unrealistic for Subaru to have a thing for Fuuka (kinda hoping the story doesn't pair them off, because that feels a little too convenient). Fuuka has to understand after being friends with Asahi for so long that just kind of hanging around and waiting for her moment was never going to get her what she wants.

Also, Fuuka is the childhood friend. Sorry, Fuuka.

At this point, the kind of story this is would lead me to believe that Hinako and Asahi are going to get together, but with the two of them being the way they are, I really don't know how it's going to end. I think that's one of the most interesting things about this story. I also really like that this is the complicated, dark shadow to "Trying Out Marriage With My Childhood Friend", which has some similar dynamics but isn't nearly as heavy. I really like Usui Shio's work.

othiym23
Suika discussion 02 Feb 03:58
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

…but that's another story.

othiym23
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Yeah, I have seen this exact dynamic play out in real life a number of times (and it's possible I've been Mio myself). It feels very realistic. That dynamic is painful and rarely works out well, but sometimes you just gotta let it play out because you want it to go well so badly.

last edited at Feb 10, 2021 4:15AM

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Also it is super weird seeing Honami smile so much. But nice.

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

The way I read what Hagino-sensei has said about this story is that it's not a "yuri manga" – that is, she's not interested in sticking to the tropes and plot patterns of the genre. Whether it's editors trying to guide stories to fit what they believe their audiences are expecting or want, or readers looking for familiar story beats, there's a lot of gatekeeping around most manga genres, and BL and yuri seem to be tighter than most. You can see a lot of that gatekeeping in this very thread.

What I don't see her as having said is that this story is not about love between girls, or that they're not going to get together. I agree with the folks that say this chapter reads like a climax for the series. I was incredibly tense reading it because there was a lot on the line, and so many things were brought together for Konatsu and Honami. Given how close to the end of the story we are, to me it's pretty much definitive at this point that this has been a romance about the relationship between the two of them, and the ways in which it deviates from a typical romance story are due to the specific nature of Konatsu, Honami, and their friends.

Even if it was indirect, that was as intense a confession scene as I've read anywhere. I don't think there's any doubt at the end of the chapter how the two feel about each other, to each other or themselves. The expectation that those feelings would be confirmed, whether by kissing or otherwise, I think is one of the exact conventions that Hagino-sensei doesn't want to be held to. And I don't think the story really needs it. The salamander and frog have come out of the cave; neither Konatsu nor Homani are lonely the way they were at the beginning of the story; both of them know the role and importance that the other has to them. It could stop here and I'd be satisfied.

last edited at Jan 31, 2021 7:24PM

othiym23
School Zone discussion 31 Jan 19:03
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Fuji, we believe in you, sweaty!

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Aaaaaghblbhgh!

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Gulp

last edited at Jan 26, 2021 4:54AM

othiym23
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

In the Azumanga Daioh English localization, the English is...in English, but in a different font and with a footnote.

There are two localizations of the Azumanga Daioh manga, so you're both right:

  1. The ADV publication of the manga converted the English in lessons into Spanish, and
  2. The Yen Press omnibus used the quoting / different font in English (although I think the localizers cleaned up the English a little bit).

I think the former is less confusing to readers who don't spend all their time reading manga, and the latter feels more authentic to readers well-versed in manga conventions. Based on what little I know of European tendencies when localizing stuff, I would expect them to follow the Yen Press approach.

In other news, Ai and Chie have come so far since the beginning of the story. Ai's Yankee image is completely at odds with how sweet and romantic she's become.

othiym23
UNOs 2 discussion 31 Dec 21:35
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

I appreciate including an entry for the table of contents in the table of contents. Is that a common thing in Japanese works? I don't think I've seen it before…

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

"How can you say that with a straight face?"

I see you, typesetter.

othiym23
Liberta discussion 09 Dec 13:09
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

This comic is totally drawn by Tadokoro-san (except she seems too nice to have Liberta giving the police the finger).

Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

othiym23
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Yusssss... I have the first two volumes of this in print and it's fun and different from a lot of the other OL stuff out right now. Funny, too. If weirdly upbeat about HR (yuni's background is apparently in corporate HR).

Also for some reason I thought this was connected to this one-shot, but no, that's a completely separate thing.

No, that one-shot is connected to yuni's other (completed, short) series, I Love You So Much I Hate You. https://yenpress.com/9781975314248/i-love-you-so-much-i-hate-you/

othiym23
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

This story is one of the horniest things on this site and I love it. Like "A Summer Fling" and "If a Lie Is Not Told, It Cannot Become Yuri", Ayanero manages to pack a considerable amount of characterization and style into her hentai. It's the cheerfuness and evident friendship between Aki and Kei that really sells this one for me. Aki comes across as somebody who's up for whatever, which makes her jumping Kei less surprising than it otherwise would be.

And Ayane-sensei's tastes aren't mine (I'm pretty vanilla lol) but the enthusiasm with which she draws everything really does a good job of selling how much fun the participants are having.

othiym23
Butt
joined Sep 26, 2020

Milk Morinaga is truly the don of yuri. I want her to do more stories about adults. This is great and hilarious. Rumiko Takahashi-level art and writing without her problem with interminable pacing.