I have no idea who these characters are, never watched the show (I heard there's a lot of males so probably won't ever)

Uhhh what? The amount of males in Bang Dream are the same amount of males in Love Live.....

I haven't watched either if the shows (all I know about Love Live is NicoMaki) but I have seen some people commenting on dynasty that there are a lot of males in that show. And this kind of shows are subtext queerbaiting and I have no interest in CGDCT genre, so either way, I will not watch it.

N...no? Both LL and Bandori are notorious for their lack of male characters...where are you getting this information?

From comments on a Bandori image, I don't remember which one. Somebody was like "should I watch this show how gay is this" and the other was "no it has lot of males and het shipping not worth the time"

I have no idea who these characters are, never watched the show (I heard there's a lot of males so probably won't ever)

Uhhh what? The amount of males in Bang Dream are the same amount of males in Love Live.....

I haven't watched either if the shows (all I know about Love Live is NicoMaki) but I have seen some people commenting on dynasty that there are a lot of males in that show. And this kind of shows are subtext queerbaiting and I have no interest in CGDCT genre, so either way, I will not watch it.

Hets are so forgettable anyway.

fact.

what? don´t know what are you talking about but toradora and tonari no kaibutsu are leagues above every yuri hosted on this site not even yagate kimi ni naru or nettaigyo wa yuki that are top tier yuri reach the level of qualitity of toradora and tonari no kaibutsu, don´t get me wrong im not saying they´re bad in fact they´re great and both probably are on my top 30 mangas of all time but right now shoujo manga/anime is way ahead of yuri manga/anime in quality and quantity

Um sis? This is a site that is mostly concentrated on hosting Yuri manga. Don't bring your "toradora" into discussion here. Everybody knows that show is a carcinogenic piece if het harem bullshit. So is most het manga, either harem or focused on rapey dynamics. Also shoujo het romance is better than yuri? What planet are you living on? It is a known fact that:
Yuri ≥ Yaoi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Het. Get some therapy. Stop embarrassing yourself.

And if you think shoujo's better than yuri wtf are you doing here? Go read "Boys over Flowers" or something, stop infecting this site with your het agenda. We have enough of those irl.

I am extremely apathetic about this vampire girl. I won't give a damn if she dies. Maybe because I can't vibe with this series yet for some reason...

are all girls named Nagisa always super mega ultra lesbians

Clannad kinda puts a wrench into that theory.

So it's another episode of The Hets Ruining It? jkjk lol

Well Nagisa was never my favorite heroine, so I suppose we can ignore her.
(If only After Story wasnt focused around her)

Isn't she dead or something? Let's forget about her. Hets are so forgettable anyway.

I have no idea who these characters are, never watched the show (I heard there's a lot of males so probably won't ever), but this...wow. Expected it to be mindless porn, but this is some good shit bruh. Instant favorite.

are all girls named Nagisa always super mega ultra lesbians

Clannad kinda puts a wrench into that theory.

So it's another episode of The Hets Ruining It? jkjk lol

are all girls named Nagisa always super mega ultra lesbians

Het on Page 8

Apparently the dogs are yuri too

They are female dogs?

@matsuri_wins TG have had some brilliant storytelling moments in this series. I guess they lost it while writing the "ex gf" plot, if I had to see it from your perspective. They have stated it multiple times that Seju is their favourite character. I am guessing the reason the other plots seem undeveloped because plots related to Seju were overdeveloped under the influence of emotions. And that's what some readers, such as you, were upset about.

As it was mentioned in an earlier post, TG should have taken notes from Blooming Sequence. Also had an ex gf with sympathetic background, who ended up having a lot of screen time, like Seju. But unlike Team Gaji, Lee Eul knew how the balance the development of the characters, so the ex gf plot never ended up overshadowing the main couple's plot even though they were both well developed. (And it was their first manhwa series.) These never felt rushed or inadequate. The plots were interwoven but in this case you won't question the progress of the main couple, like you did in WDTFS.

Edit: Ah yes, I was going to mention The Love Doctor. Here the ex has considerably less screen time than the previous two. Rather than spending time showing flashbacks between the doctor and her ex, the story focuses more on the blooming relationship of doctor and protagonist. And that works wonderfully, as we see their progression from discovering one's sexuality (in a completely non-dramatic way) to a fumbling new couple to U-haul lesbians. Unpopular opinion: Love doctor> WDTFS lol

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low bar for storytelling quality

That's exactly what I have problem with: this superiority complex you have just because you think SejuxSumin would the best plot line and others don't. Quality is a subjective thing. You can't decide for others what would be a "better" story, to each their own. So, I agree, this discussion is a waste of time. Let's just say we're both right at our own place and move on. I will also apologize for being rude with you. I had this argument with people irl before, guess I wrongly took out my irritation at you.

That being said, you are right, they are milking the story. Paradise, even though gave us a glimpse of Sejumin's past, was kind of unnecessary. But I won't say the same for One, since it's set in the present and Seju deserves a chance at happiness. And another thing, it's only been three chapters, you can't expect Seju to forget about Sumin so soon. That would be unrealistic.

Again, my point is completely missed. I have never once said that I want "Puritan" stuff? You just don't get it: IDGAF. I don't care about pure stuff, I don't care about "omg look I'm a tumblrina and I find abusive relationships so hot~" bullshit. I don't care about you or anyone's 10 page analysis on " Sumin and Seju iz da OTP bruhhh and anything else is crap". I won't care if TG employs any one of the above plot points. I only care about Seju. I only read this story for her. I want her to find happiness without Sumin. If that means I have to tolerate "pure stuff", then so be it. So, just because you read this to flaunt your Human Psychology degree in Tumblr College of Fuckery on this thread doesn't mean others have to do the same. We have the complete right to read for whatever reason we want.

And yeah, I watch GoT and my situation with that series is the same as this one. I love Arya and I watch that show for her. I kind of skip the other parts ngl. And same as Seju, I won't bat an eyelash to whatever happens as long as Arya is alive.

God, I hate this kind of back-and-forth but some people here just go around looking for fights I swear.

Edit: I am sorry MacySan. It's not my intention to attack people. I have been trying to be polite but my points are being totally ignored in favor of putting imaginary words in my mouth for whatever reason. There's a limit to everything.

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In the end, I don’t understand why anyone would read a manga just to see a character “be happy”

Well I'm extremely sorry, not everybody reads a manga to write pretentious holier-than-thou analysis about it. Some people read for the sake of reading, some people read because they like the art, some people read they root for a character. And just because Seju is a fictional character doesn't mean I can't feel any sort of affection for her.

[...] Disney happy ending [...]

Who said I wanted that lol I couldn't care less about romance or happy ending. The only reason I am still reading WDTFS because I want to experience Seju's journey of being genuinely happy again. I don't care how she achieves it, alone or with someone else. I also don't care if it's a "bad end", as long as Seju is happy and Sumin or that trash Nammi stay tf away from her.

[...] couple of assholes [...]

Seju is an asshole. Sumin is psychopath who needs a therapist ASAP. Forget being "toxic", that's actually complementing her.

She single-handedly ruined 10 years of Seju's life. Yes, Seju cheated on her, her brother cut her up, and I wholeheartedly condemn them for that, but instead of breaking-up and moving on like a mentally stable human being, or like, calling the cops or something, Sumin decided it would be a great idea to stick around and have her "revenge". Seju is also at fault, but she grew up without experiencing any sort of love and affection, and it is understandable why she has a hard time moving on from the only person she was loved by in her whole life. But I can't except any lame excuses for Sumin, she is just an abomination of a human being. She deserves to live the rest of her life in misery. I don't care if her character is "interesting", I would be very much glad if she got ran over by a truck.

[...] relationship that needs work [...]

...Um...what? Sumin mentally abused Seju for TEN FUCKING YEARS just to satiate her sadistic pleasure of seeing her hurt. Every single time Seju was in pain she always had an amused expression. She didn't even apologize when they parted! Just a simple "bye bitch". And you still think they could work? No offense but, is that like your...kink or something? Seeing two people ruin each other's lives? If that's how you are irl then I feel very sad for your partner. It's better if you drop this story now, rather than whining every after release on "why Seju and Sumin should end up together and are the most interesting couple in the universe." You're ruining it for the rest of us. Also SEJUMIN WILL NEVER BE CANON.

Fuck SuminxSeju. I don't have the right to change anybody's opinion, but I can't believe some people still "ship" them. Sumin is a toxic ass hoe. She better only stay in Seju's flashbacks or she can choke on a whale cock.

Sumin was never my favourite character in WDTFS, but I didn't blindly hate her either. But as the main story progressed, I found myself loathing her more and more. She ruined SuminJi for me. Near the end of season one, I didn't even care for her tears or that SuminJi got back together. Now, I just want Seju to be happy. I will admit, I don't give a fuck about any other main character or the story itself anymore. (Stopped doing that a long time ago lol.) Sungji isn't interesting enough (I don't dislike her) and Sumin can die for all I care. I can't comment on Dowon, it has been 3 chapters only.

On another note, what is the "connection" between Seju and Sumin y'all are talking about? Didn't Seju resign from the post of president or am I missing something here?

Welp, here comes the obligatory drama. I'm out. See you in the last chapter.

I swear to god if I see the Love triangle or Polyamory tags in the next chapters...

Look, if some thot like Kirigaya tried to bully me, I would try to forgive and forget the first few times but if she didn't learn, I would have beaten her ass up (I did learn krav maga) and thrown her in front of a running bus. And if she had (still) survived, I would have cursed her with a voodoo doll. Forgiveness? Pfft. I would have made sure that bitch's life was ruined for good, both academically and socially.

But this is not my story. Neither it's yours. It's Tadokoro's story, and if she has decided to forgive her bully, then it's her own decision. To each their own. So some of you need to chill out a little bit. Stop forcing your views on what she or the author should have done and move on. (Also, this happens in pretty much every manga. What else did you expect?) Tadokoro's about to lose her virginity, show her some support instead.

Shameless plug of BTS.

Kpop stanning is an automatic disqualification.

Stan MAMAMOO. Real artists, not manufactured idols.

The following is a really off-topic, long-ass rant of an over-active and proud fangirl who loves her Queens to death. Read at your own discretion.

Now, why should you stan MMM?(the real question should be why you shouldn't but okay)

1. Write, compose, choreograph their own music, which comprises of Jazz, R&B, Retro, Funk, EDM, Reggae, Latin, Trap, Ballads and even Hip-hop.

2. Known as the most vocally talented girl group in Korea.

3. Openly support LGBTQ+ community in Korea, an extremely homophobic country (not just posting rainbow flag pic on insta like others, but actual support like charity, performed with non-binary performers, performing at gay events, when all other idols invited rejected, but they didn't)

4. Make gender neutral music.

5. Feminists, mature independent women, "girl crush" concept (no 12 year old cute concept like other girl groups). Have the biggest straps in kpop.

6. Came from a small company, worked hard to reach where they are and are rightfully in the top 3 ggs in Korea.

7. Probably have the gayest, nicest and kindest fanbase in kpop. Also, 95% female fans, who are mostly queer women.

8. Biggest crackheads in kpop. They'd been a comedy group if they weren't musicians.

#BeLisMaMoo(Believe and Listen to MAMAMOO) a term coined by general public of Korea(yes the gp, not the fans) to describe them.

Stan talented, humble and funny Queens. Save yourself from listening to generic trash kpop music.

Kinniku Tarou?? More like Kinky Tarou

Adventure Comedy Yuri

TAKE MY MOTHERFUCKING MONEY

I am getting gay vibes from the little bro....(I know he's 10 but...)

[...] viciously attacks [...]

....Wow. I only defended myself from one person who attacked me first but okay. You know what, you win. I apologize for being blind, this story is the Yuriest Yuri to ever land on this site. This is even gayer than WDTFS. Happy? I hope this makes your day/night better. Goodbye.

Remember the whole fifty shades of grey epidemic? It was a steaming pile of anus boogers but I'm pretty sure s and m became a little more popular after it was romanticized in that piece of shit novel, just like vamps being romanticised since fuck knows when that started... Also, a parody or alternate universe version called fifty shades of gay, done with either just men or just woman as the main characters, whichever one you fancy! That'd sell right? Cos I think I kinda want the Yuri version already -_-

In my opinion, FSOG was way worse than those rape romances. Those garbages were actually pretty straightforward in making the male lead extravagantly predatory, showing that that's how women are "supposed" to be, being dominated by their hyper masculine lovers. But this crap? It was just chapters and chapters of glorification of rape and sexual abuse, while hiding under the pretense of "the new generation erotic BDSM romance novel". If anybody here plans to read the book I'd say please don't; if Mr. Grey was psychotic stalker in the film, in the book he is a psychotic stalker and a full-fledged criminal who should be rotting in jail, not playing the "hot(pfft) CEO". There are at least 5 chapters where the female lead gets raped by him.(And no, not in a rape fantasy way, but in a serious way; she just forgives him every time)

There's actually a FSOG lesbian version though by The Gay Women Channel on YouTube. It's called Fifty Shades of Gay(yeah). It's a parody, but it's pretty interesting to see two women re-enacting those scenes(albeit in a comedic manner). I'd recommend you check it out, it's hilarious. Also, much much much better than the original.

On a more serious note: is it possible Mei has become the “waifu” of too many readers and so now she cannot actually be paired up with Yuzu? Lolz

Not like LGBT fiction is above these themes. The ice queen boss and her intern, or the alpha-werewolf and her omega, or ...

I'll sound like a massive hypocrite when I say this, but if somebody wrote a Yuri manga with those tropes, 10/10 would read. Now, if these were M/F though...

Ach, romances. Shit no matter whom they cater to. ^^

Can't say i disagree, but lgbt+ content with trashy power dynamics but without actual rape>>>rape fantasy hetero stuff, no? Maybe that's just me...

For the same reason people like "Abducted by the Highlander" (include glossy naked-chest dude cover) and "Taken by the Billionaire" (include suave dude in a suit on the cover) garbage?

I thought those were only liked by stay-at-home bored ass moms and teen girls with no life in the seventies? Do people still like them in 21st Century?...I am actually worried about mental sanctity of straight women.