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Who is Yuu and Mari? I went through the whole manga and can’t find a couple with that name. All I see is Yuu, who is the aunt. Am I missing something?

They're not from this manga, they are a couple from another story called Virgins Empire. Since I'm the one who brought them up, I apologise for the confusion. I just cited them as something, I thought, similar to what happens between Nazuki and Yuki.

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Citrus discussion 20 Jan 19:58
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Just imagine how short this story would be if the main characters were all normal people who talked about their problems and personal lives with their friends.

People love to ignore their problem until it blows out of proportion. Now imagine if they're rich and have an image to uphold, plus they're broken af...

I wonder if it'd end with a fake marriage and the dude understanding; after all, he's here to face his responsibilities, not to look for a love partner, I would guess. Or, if Mei will refuse the marriage while still wanting to run the school; she changed the rule one time to help her sister, she could defy the rules once more, maybe? Or will they run away physically or just from the world of the filthy rich society and start something of their own?

I'm glad I got to see the raw at firsts, it helped to make the punch in the gut less powerful. It's still hard to appreciate the fluff knowing what happens on the side. Also, it's nothing big, but we are finally starting to switch in Mei's POV. We see Mei finally expression human emotions full force (that lovestruck expression when Yuzu appears with her robe <3). Maybe we would be able to read her thoughts soon?!

Oh and thank you as always, ChaosTeam <3

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It's at the very least full-on yuri-crush at this point. It became more and more clear as the chapters went, but we have a definite proof now.

@Seira, that is a wonderful Rin art, could I ask you for the source?

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I was talking about power dynamics in BDSM in general, because that is how I read your inquiry.

Yeah sorry, I guess I wanted to talk about the couple a bit too much, thank you for your inputs, btw.

Oh, and the title of the doujin about Lyza x Ozen is Lily & Onyx, http://alice-books.com/item/show/7430-1, I don't know if there's any romance involved and what happens is ambiguous... but the art is great!

So the actress basically is playing the role of a snobby actress ... for fun.

I'm going to be a simple mind and dive into it, I guess she just doesn't want to appear uncool in front of her love interest. I'm still in love with how Actress-san wants to record every touching phrases Manager-san is saying, that's way too cute.

Does that also include peeing herself? Hm.

She just wants to indulge her manager's fetishes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Other possible similar attributes is that they both like girls which I guess should be a given it's a yuri series but that would mean other characters like the photographer would've seen Mikoto's wings.

It still holds, because the photographer started to see wings appearing on Sayuri, so there's that. As to why Sayuri would start to have wings, perhaps she was starting to get depressed/suicidal? Mikoto was a bit distressed to see how her sister was leaving before visiting her as an angel (I think?).

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As many said in spoilers and not, it feels pretty rushed, but still pretty sweet. I was ready for her to be dead, but it still hurt somehow. Learning she was only in coma was a sweet surprise. I really like how they treated the incest question and how, in the end, Sayuri was okay with it even knowing it's considered "wrong".

That said, Mikoto's right in the afterword... There was no sex dammit! And how it was brought up in the story would have made a glorious scene!!

Thank you for the translation <3

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I do not think that counts as manipulation. It would if you had Mari going without band-aids, Yuu storming off in protest, and Mari only just then putting them on to appease her. Instead, she already arrived wearing them. She is clearly embarrassed, but that is her thing, it is obvious she is just as into it as Yuu is, that is what I meant by them being equals.

I'm just nitpicking at this point, but she clearly says "like hell I'm gonna do this", so it's not something she wanted to do at first. The kind of manipulation you're talking about is happening in the restaurant scene, though.

In terms of pleasure, like you say, they're equals. It's clearly a win-win situation. But in terms of power dynamic aone, I think they're not : Mari enjoys being toyed with and "tormented" by Yuu, even though she doesn't want to do it at first, she likes being "forced" into doing it. Even outside their play, Yuu seems to be bossing Mari around, but that doesn't really differ from every other couple, I guess.

Remember, at the end, she was downright disappointed Yuu worked over only one of her nipples. It is a play for them, but it is also blatantly obvious they care for each other, best exemplified by chapter 71.

Yes, that's what makes it even more enjoyable. The reversal and the fact that Yuu may very well be the more vulnerable one in the end is also pretty cute. So perhaps their power dynamic changes with time, contrary to what I'm saying.

Important to remember is that it is a role-play, so there is no actual control over anyone (as in, making someone do what they do not want to), nor is anyone being manipulated.

Role-play requires rules, a controlled environment, a clear beginning and a clear end. Mari and Yuu are doing it as it comes, with no apparent rules or only implied ones. It looks more like a game of dare with both of them enjoying to see how far one will push it and how far the other will go. Hence why I think Yuu is manipulating Mari and is the dominant one in their games (also the spanking is a quite strong indication as well). Sadly, I feel like I'm getting way too much off-topic despite the interesting dynamic of the couple.

Being manipulated means you are steered in a particular course that you would not otherwise choose, and you are being steered by someone else, without you actually noticing it.

That is what is happening minus the last part, I guess that's where my idea of manipulation differ and, perhaps, where I wrongly use the word. They also mention the malicious side of the act, even though it's not always the case.

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Oh no, get that crap out of my sight. Took me long enough to cleanse my eyes the first time I watched that.

What? Teeth brushing is a very normal erotic practice! Just like eyeball licking. You're welcome :>

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I think you kind of missed what Serenata was on about, in "Virgins' Empire" there is no emotional manipulation.

Kinda. It's not entirely apparent but the stare on p2 is clearly a threat "if you don't do it, then...", there's also the "I hate you, goodbye" part in a previous chapter. It's clearly mild threats compared to the ones in this chapter, obviously, but the manipulation is here. I'd guess the key difference is consent between the two parties (at least implicit in Virgins' Empire's case).

And I may be wrong, but isn't the whole point of BDSM to have a dynamic of power with a dominant and dominated? One enjoying having complete or some kind of control over the other and the latter one enjoying being manipulated to some point by the former? So they wouldn't be really equals. It's partly rhetoric questions, partly genuine. This is how I understand it, so I may be wrong.

Though, I guess it depends on the type of manipulation we're talking about. Yuki's manipulation is clearly malicious and doesn't really have Hazuki's enjoyment as well in mind. Hazuki's (apparent) submissive nature doesn't allow her to defend herself correctly against it.

Black eyed girl is being completely unreasonable, and Nazuki is mentally rolling her eyes the whole time. Finally weird girl makes a ridiculous demand, and Nazuki decides to say "whatever" and just do it because she wants the kiss. This is not a serious situation and I think people either misunderstood or overreacted to the power dynamic between them.

I guess that's what I failed to say, but I very much agree.

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Damn, Mikage-chan is way too precious this last two chapters. She doesn't get misunderstood, genuinely care for Hinata-chan's well being! A true angel... I guess?

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The other girl is just a pervert with no self value, even their first night I was like ????? so I guess if you're not into bdsm there's nothing in this pair that you could enjoy, not the sex, the humor or interactions.

Or that, yes. In Virgins Empire, the emotional manipulation is really, really strong, the words "break me more" speaks volume about how the other girls affect her and make her forget any self-respect, I guess it's the same for Nazuki who fell head over heels for Yuki, apparently... That said, I agree it's way more sweet (and intense) in Virgins Empire than in this one.

However, it's still a comedic story, so stuff like that (normally) get a pass more easily than in other kind of stories, except when people try to put a serious filter over it.

[...] or examples like Lyza from MiA, [...].

Lyza the Annihilator <3 best character ever in this manga. There is a doujin of Ozen x Lyza I got my hand on, it's a pretty ambiguous relationship between Ozen and Lyza when she's a child, Ozen is deliciously unsettling just like in the main story. I'm tormented between wanting to understand what stuff is said and not betraying the author... Pretty hypocrite, I know, but...

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^ Seconded, I would love you very much.

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It's not kink unless it's actually been discussed and agreed upon by all involved parties. Otherwise it's just plain old abuse.

In real life, yes; then again, there are people who enjoys being abused perhaps even without consent, "sweet dreams are made of these, [...] some of them wants to be abused" to quote that famous song. That doesn't mean it's okay that it happens, obviously, since you can't really know if that's the case or not. And even if people enjoys it and give consent*, that doesn't mean it's good for them either (I'll spare you the most extreme examples that happened). But it happens, so I think we can make it into a story.

And this is fiction, no one is really hurt over there. Moreover, it is a 4-6 pages comedic story, where everything has to be exaggerated (e.g. basically any old cartoon stuff) and a discussion about "would you legally/emotionally agree for me to abuse you publicly for both our gratification or just mine" kind of break the mood of this kind of play and lower its impact.

I know I'm fighting a losing battle in here, but I guess I can't help it... Am I a forum-masochist?!


Well, this being fiction, I'm fine with playing a bit more loose with the rules. Unlike irl, we can peak into everyone's head and see that they seem to be fairly fine with this development. And the situation is not of the type where I'd say she's totally at someone else's mercy ...

QFT.

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I guess it's like people said, Nazuki is head over heels for that poor little (devilish) puppy she rescued (or was forced to rescue). Yuki just seduced/manipulated Nazuki and she fell for it, the balance of power in their relationship has been established and by going along with it, Nazuki gave consent, somehow. And the way she is blushing, the thoughts she has, I'm pretty sure she enjoys it. Or at least, she considers that the reward is worth the humiliation (though she has pretty low standards considering she just slept with her hours before).

There are slight differences, but it reminds me of this pair with the tsundere and the masochist in Virgins Empire. Especially this (hot) chapter where the tsundere is making the masochist do embarrassing stuff publicly, manipulating emotionally and breaking her hard. And we see, as we do with Nazuki, thanks to her thought bubbles, that she is enjoying this.

Mochi au lait is just going into the kinky territory... I like it.

And thank you to you, Stan Miller, for enduring those chapters that makes you uncomfortable, all that for our own (guilty?) pleasure! I love all of your works <3

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This manga is not receiving as much as reception as it deserves, it is so amazing.

I don't know how it could get more, I've read (cba to check it up) that it's the most popular yuri work at the moment and everybody praises it left and right.

last edited at Jan 17, 2018 10:39PM

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Citrus discussion 17 Jan 21:59
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This RAW picture on Chaosteam facebook is giving me really, really bad feelings... Especially those comments... Well, I guess it's going to happen like everyone has been saying it, anyway. Although, there is a chance of it not happening... maybe.

Remember that Aaaangst tag now...

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[...] because basics are important.

You're reminding me of this character from Ikkitousen, always claiming that he beat his adversaries because they didn't master the basics. Though it's true, you can build something if you don't have solid foundations.

Really liking this story, I guess I didn't read many sports manga, but I love all those dynamics and stuff.

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Poor Nazuki, she keeps being manipulated left and right... Have some pride!

Klice
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Translation is out: https://pastebin.com/FkshVsED

Chap 29: http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/037_001.html

Mimika is loving it so much. Well, it was already obvious with just the raws, but tis more apparent with the text, I guess.

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They kissed, they're attracted to each other. It's yuri in my book! Loved it, seemed like it has to be cut short though, but overall it was a pretty heart-warming stories of city girl finding true human link in the country.

Thank you for the translation <3 Another example that hope should never be lost for untranslated chapters!

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Kuki, Kuki... You're hopeless and I love it :3

Klice
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What do I read eating my popcorn... Oh right.

Klice
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Raws are out!! http://yawaspi.com/yuzumori/comic/037_001.html I have transcended beyond this realm to a higher plane of existence, there's no pain anymore, I'm in peace

Remember to use spoilersssss

Don't get my hopes up like that! I thought we would have a real (we need double spoilers) kissu. Nice to see the author is making use of the skills she gained from her other manga to bring badass lolis into this story. Diving hug attack! Edit Okay I've reread it three times and I can't stop smiling... The drama made it even more powerful.

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Klice
Aria's Egg discussion 15 Jan 08:59
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I barely picked up on any romance at all, even subtext.

The little bird girl said she likes the dog lady, adding the she won't say it to her - and it looks like the dog lady has been raising the little bird, so from the outside it looks like a mom/daughter relationship. I'm no pro psychologist, but I don't know if a child gets embarrassed to say they like their parents at that age, this would suggest another kind of "like".

I guess the age gab is too large this time, maybe with a teenager bird... Like 13 or 15

I don't know, this author has already done similar age-gap story with crystal clear romance in it.

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Yurucamp discussion 15 Jan 07:37
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Well, that's slice of life for you, nothing really out of the ordinary or grand is happening. Oh yes, and the romance is pretty low, there is sub-subtext perhaps, but not much. So I guess if chilling in nature isn't your thing or if the characters don't connect with you, it looks dull.

I'm afraid (or glad?) the anime will catch up pretty fast with the scanlation.