go read the manga.

Why? It's a different medium by itself

(and you can't get the glorious making out in colour as well, which is suck)

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 8:22AM

must be nice being you...
your yuri standard is just 2girl kissing..
i'm so jelly.

If talking about Illya, you have to mention Miyu, the only girl that has only show interest in girls so far.
Also, an ending with the three girls living together is more likely than an Illya x Shirou ending, since they need to keep the joke about Illya not having a rote and Kuro needs to keep her thing with Illya if she wants to keep alive.
So yeah, while still not yuri, I can understand risingstar.

because i hate the fact that real yuri anime is DEAD! and get replaced by fanservice...

Fact is, you can't kill something that was never alive to begin with.

Kuro and Illya however were different through with their bond do grow with every episode. Illya is also showed to get turned on by the kiss (like during the OVA) and allow other pervert things to do on her, despite Kuro full sexual advance sometime. You can blame that Illya was pressured into it, but legally Kuro is allowed to as it's necessary for her survival. Then of course there is the threaten of Kuro on Miyu, but she never went to Miyu or anyone else for the mana charging, didn't she?

That's some A+ porn/rape logic there

Next time a vampire sucks me dry without my consent I will be sure to remember that there is absolutly nothing I could have done about it from a juristical standpoint

Honestly, I am as much of a dolt that likes to put two dolls around and pretend they are having hot lesbian sex as anyone here and I am pretty damn sure that atleast half of the animation team that worked on Scene 69 had to be as well considering the effort that went into those scenes but come the fuck on, that's EVIDENCE, that they could work as a couple? This isn't Game of Thrones, man

Also, the apocalpytic tone about Yuri in anime here is hilarious, you know, our Yuri was the exception rather than the rule for most of the time and when we got something really good, exceptations were BETRAYED with one single line (Love you, Sakura Trick), no matter how much effort went into the jokes, characters and dialogue

This is so fucking hot

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This is so fucking hot

Uhhh.. this is so not.

This is so fucking hot

Uhhh.. this is so not.

k

Edit. wait, do you mean the host error? yeah, not so hot, agreed

http://www.amiami.jp/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-013937&page=top

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 11:49AM

must be nice being you...
your yuri standard is just 2girl kissing..
i'm so jelly.

Oh great, super fan.

I enjoyed the yuri fan service in Illya Prima and I enjoy their chemistry. Who are you to talk about yuri standard as if there is actually one?

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 1:05PM

That's some A+ porn/rape logic there

Next time a vampire sucks me dry without my consent I will be sure to remember that there is absolutly nothing I could have done about it from a juristical standpoint

Honestly, I am as much of a dolt that likes to put two dolls around and pretend they are having hot lesbian sex as anyone here and I am pretty damn sure that atleast half of the animation team that worked on Scene 69 had to be as well considering the effort that went into those scenes but come the fuck on, that's EVIDENCE, that they could work as a couple? This isn't Game of Thrones, man

Vampire? Are you trying to argue for a legal case that can't possibly happen in real life? (I will assume that you already knew vampire can't exist)

And also f**k me. Do you know 100% of yuri manga/anime are two pieces of drawings that pretended to have lesbian relationship of some sort? If you don't read into the screen then of course everything would be porn for you.

Now I start to understand why there are some who called anime/manga with naked character as drawing porns regardless of the background

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So,... my vampire theory makes no sense, but the manifestation of your innerself clone (or some shit like that) that feeds on your lifepower does and probably would have a better change at court, uh huh.

Listen, it's probably too late, I am not trying to be an asshole here, that was just my weird way of saying that I really like Yuri but your theory made it sound like an rapists excuse of: ''She started to enjoy it, so it's totally cool and there CAN be a full blossoming relationship in that!'' which just was like NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE to me

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Oh great, super fan.

I enjoyed the yuri fan service in Illya Prima and I enjoy their chemistry. Who are you to talk about yuri standard as if there is actually one?

i see so you admit don't have any standard.
you're the one who said it.
whatever i don't care about your taste.

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So,... my vampire theory makes no sense, but the manifestation of your innerself clone (or some shit like that) that feeds on your lifepower does and probably would have a better change at court, uh huh.

Listen, it's probably too late, I am not trying to be an asshole here, that was just my weird way of saying that I really like Yuri but your theory made it sound like an rapists excuse of: ''She started to enjoy it, so it's totally cool and there CAN be a full blossoming relationship in that!'' which just was like NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE to me

The difference is I defend a fictional scenario using a real legal standpoint. You meanwhile attack a fictional scenario using another fictional scenario. It definitely isn't the same

I do understand your point through, but once again, we are not talking about an isolated screen here. If we are talking about Miyu with Kuro, then i would agree with you. As their interaction is rather limited. I won't say that their kiss was sexual assault, but I don't think there is any chemistry to ship them on

But Illya and Kuro were different right? They had more than just a couple of yuri fan services together

Their platonic bonding are:
- enemies to friend to best friend/ pseudo sister
- Kuro hold a sibling rivalry toward Illya
- Illya's life is what Kuro has been long for. And after the consolidation, she actively try to protect both of their ordinary life just like Illya most earnest wish (by both: keeping Illya secret, and fighting/making Illya cause her own)
- in return Illya provide her with the mana/ life force, and also protect her against those that could threaten Kuro existence
- they both have same goal/aspiration
- have strong friendship/sisterhood, both at home and at school. Shared secret and concerns. Pretty much joined at the hip at late
- have good chemistry when interact, almost to the point they could read each other thought

Non-platonic bonding:
- Kuro: certainly enjoyed the kisses. Despite describing it as her only option, she only went to Illya despite mercilessly kiss anyone she can lay hands on initially
- yes, partly because Kuro got more mana from Illya and Miyu, but remember how she only gave Miyu a peck after Miyu offered as a replacement for a worn-out Illya. She had no trouble full making out with Illya through
- her body gesture during those screens showed that she wanted more than just kisses, as she actively caressed Illya body, wanted to pressed on her naked body, and at one point probably even sucked on her breast. Only not pressing further mostly to follow Illya wish
- Kuro doesn't want to stop and only do so when Illya really protested. Kuro also often complain that it was not enough, despite she clearly doesn't know her own mana capacity (and only realised it when it nearly run out)
- Illya: do aware and gave the consent before each time. She in fact told Kuro to be aggressive despite being offered otherwise by Kuro
- even assume Illya being in trance was due to being low mana (rather than being dizzy with the kiss), but her gesture do show of yearning for more between each kissing break.
- she let Kuro did all above stuffs to her without protesting, despite it does not relate to mana transferring, and she showed she can reject when it comes to advance made by others
- the excuse that she doesn't want Kuro to kiss others (as Kuro has her face) is quite a lame excuse

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i see so you admit don't have any standard.
you're the one who said it.
whatever i don't care about your taste.

Honestly it's hard to believe that even within yuri fandom, I still face this sort of ignorant and discriminating responses.

Do you watch Me!Me!Me! and think "this video had nothing but boobs"?

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 3:58PM

Mana sharing by sex was in Fate/stay visual novel only so player can get sex scenes (in Fate/Zero and others they had no problem retconning it so you could simply just transfer it at will). So if they kept the way you transfer mana it was only so they can show them having sex.

Mana sharing by sex was in Fate/stay visual novel only so player can get sex scenes (in Fate/Zero and others they had no problem retconning it so you could simply just transfer it at will). So if they kept the way you transfer mana it was only so they can show them having sex.

Which is basically fan service essentially, because it's harder to sell any stories (anime, movies, games, etc )nowadays without them.

Of course the original F/SN aimed at otaku, so sex sells. And the fans of the franchise also expand from that core groups. But there is really nothing wrong about it. For example you can say the same about all of the explosions or over the tops actions screen nowadays in Western movies. Despite for example mythbuster showed that it was just unrealisticly over the top to draw in audiences

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My point was, if they kept it, they wanted yuri. Interpret it as you want, but I was sorta agreeing with you.

In the end it is just subtext, forced situations created by flimsy plot-reasons. There will not be a yuri-couple, neither sexuality acknowledged despite all the fanservice shown.

It's subtext with fanservice, unlike subtext alone ~ not many yuri fans will find it satisfying, some will even find it as a reason NOT to bother with it.

My point was, if they kept it, they wanted yuri. Interpret it as you want, but I was sorta agreeing with you.

I see, it's actually a really good point as I didn't know they removed that mechanism in some games of the franchises.

In the end it is just subtext, forced situations created by flimsy plot-reasons. There will not be a yuri-couple, neither sexuality acknowledged despite all the fanservice shown.

It's subtext with fanservice, unlike subtext alone ~ not many yuri fans will find it satisfying, some will even find it as a reason NOT to bother with it.

I will have to agree . But once again, it's hard to nitpicking when subtext essentially is the best we had in this current state of anime.

I means if you want to pick a yuri manga that fans can satisfy with, each of us probably can pick 5 to 10 different tittles. But yuri in anime that goes more than subtext/ just-a-phase. Don't think we can count on one hand in either past or next decade

And subtext with yuri fanservice is still better than subtext without one, right?

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 4:27PM

My point was, if they kept it, they wanted yuri. Interpret it as you want, but I was sorta agreeing with you.

I see, it's actually a really good point as I didn't know they removed that mechanism in some games of the franchises.

I didn't really play it and only watched 2 animes, so my knowledge is based on things my nasuverse (all universes and alternate dimensions that are part of the world created by Type-Moon) ultra fan friend told me. Basically Fate/Stay Night was a eroge so it needed sex scenes, so they made that transferring mana was done by having sex. There probably were other methods, but it is the fact that in all others games/series somehow they never used it again and just went for traditional mana transfer. So even if it is fanservice, they still decided to choose this one.

last edited at Oct 1, 2015 4:31PM

[...] Basically Fate/Stay Night was a eroge so it needed sex scenes, so they made that transferring mana was done by having sex.

Hollow/Ataraxia was a little better in that regard: the sex scenes are all "optional", outside of the main story.

There probably were other methods, but it is the fact that in all others games/series somehow they never used it again and just went for traditional mana transfer. So even if it is fanservice, they still decided to choose this one.

Iirc, some "reasons" were actually given for why this specific method was needed in the VN's case.

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And subtext with yuri fanservice is still better than subtext without one, right?

A lot of ppl despise the fanservice regardless. That is why subtext pairings tend to be the most popular, instead of subtext+fanservice ones.

So, no. Ppl prefer subtext alone.

There probably were other methods, but it is the fact that in all others games/series somehow they never used it again and just went for traditional mana transfer. So even if it is fanservice, they still decided to choose this one.

Iirc, some "reasons" were actually given for why this specific method was needed in the VN's case.

Well the explanation was Shirou sucks at magic and teaching him proper method would be too hard and too time consuming as he joined Holy Grail War after it already begin so they have to go with you can transfer some mana by having sex. So you could say it was properly explained, but it sounds just like exact excuse game creator would need to have sex scenes in otherwise perfectly fine dark, depressing and bloody story. I tried to read it up and all I found on their wiki is that you have mana all around world and you can easily manipulate it, but your body create it in some amount as well and it just happens to merge well with body fluids such as blood or sperm so consuming magus blood can replenish mana. Sound like exactly the kind of stuff you would come up with for eroge, so you can get away with sex scenes.

From what I know of Fate there is other ways to transfer mana, but they didn't have ways to do that and they could be attacked any moment so sex was the easier way, only some sex scenes are for mana transfer in Fate/Stay Night, not to mention that Shirou sucks at magic and never had a proper training, his elemental affinity and origin is "sword", it's one of the reasons he pretty much only uses reinforcement, projection and tracing, so even if Rin could teach him other ways he would probably not be able to use them.

Only in some of the visual novels they put sex and they have versions without sex, althought in the manga they imply they have sex in Tukihime and Fate/Stay Night, in Fate/Zero one of the reasons they introduced other ways is because Kiritsugu and Irisviel are a couple and they didn't want to make one of them have sex with Saber, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia was released on 2005 and is their last work with sex, they never truly removed the sex option for mana transfer but we can assume they decided to not use it anymore to get a broader range of fans.

Well the explanation was Shirou sucks at magic and teaching him proper method would be too hard and too time consuming as he joined Holy Grail War after it already begin so they have to go with you can transfer some mana by having sex. So you could say it was properly explained, but it sounds just like exact excuse game creator would need to have sex scenes in otherwise perfectly fine dark, depressing and bloody story. I tried to read it up and all I found on their wiki is that you have mana all around world and you can easily manipulate it, but your body create it in some amount as well and it just happens to merge well with body fluids such as blood or sperm so consuming magus blood can replenish mana. Sound like exactly the kind of stuff you would come up with for eroge, so you can get away with sex scenes.

So mana transferring have nothing to do with whether the transferring person is turned on or not right?

(like if you are turned on , you produce more mana or something like that)