Dang Eli, she's just trying to get you into the mood.
（＾∇＾）
Homura E.N.D
Jun 11, 2017 1:20AM
Demon top Nozomi?
Doujinshi, right now.
hinata0604
Jun 11, 2017 3:16AM
I wonder what part of "無断転載・無断使用・加工・自作発言禁止" from the author's twitter profile is hard to understand for these scanlators. It's the main reason no one has basically translated/scanlated anything from this author.
yuikumari
Jun 11, 2017 3:25AM
ii love this <3
HopeFromYuri
Jun 11, 2017 4:56AM
I need more. Guess I'll just have to write it
DarkLordofYuri
Jun 11, 2017 5:46AM
Need a full doujin of this!
whiterose-
Jun 11, 2017 10:15AM
WE NEED MORE CONTENT FROM THIS AUTHOR AAAAAA
((top nozomi is best nozomi))
mint-leaf
Jun 11, 2017 10:51AM
(sweats) I wasn't ready for this much zawawa in a day help
elevown
Jun 14, 2017 3:29AM
^ hinata0604 - I would never try to make money off someone else's work but I don't see a problem translating something even if the author says that - because without translation it denies the same freedom to enjoy it to the rest of the world who don't speak the language.
And I don't think even the author has a right to say 'only for Japanese people'.
And if you want to go on a purely legal basis, they have no copyright since they don't own Eli or Nozomi.
I think most of the time you should try to respect the creators wishes though- like if the Japanese original was put on another site and they expressly asked them to remove it, they probably should?
Its a bit of a grey area - I think all doujin makers accept that their stuff is gonna be scanned and put online. They make their money selling the physical copies at comicon's /in shops etc. It is just part of the way it is, and as far as I know most are not going to worry or complain about it - especially with doujins / fan works, when they also have no legal right to use said material and only can because the copyright owners all unofficially agree to let them.
last edited at Jun 14, 2017 3:47AM
BlueMoonScans
Jun 16, 2017 8:47AM
Actually you're wrong about the "make their money" doing doujins because it's actually the opposite. A lot of these artist do it because they love doing what they do, not because they generate money from it. In fact, ater you take in account the registration fees, printing fees, helper fees, transportation and material costs, they end up losing money. And no, they don't "accept that it's going to be put online", they just don't know it's being put up online. And when they do find out, scanlation groups block IP adresses from Japan so that the makerscan't request their work to be taken off the website.
The reason they are allowed to make doujin off official characters/shows is because they don't generate profit from it, they expand the audience of the show, and the most important part is that they don't take away from the main series. When their work gets published online without their permission and the owners of the copyrighted material have a problem with the circulation, it's the creator of the doujin, not the scanlation group, that gets into trouble.
A lot of mangaka and doujinsha have expressed corncerns over what we do with their work. Some don't even sell to foreigners anymore because their work ends up online. And it's not that they have "only for Japanese people" attitude, it's that the work itself is only special when it's concentrated in one area. Like with doujins, the book that you buy is limited in quantities and will never be mass produced, it's a special kind of item. Uploading it online makes it lose the "specialness" and worse yet it's put somewhere beyond the control of the mangaka or doujinsha.
You really should ask for permission before posting any of this up. How would you feel if you made something, ask for it not to be shared, someone shares it without your permission and then you get into trouble for those re-uploads that you have no control over?
elevown
Jun 16, 2017 11:50AM
Thanks for the reply - was some stuff there I wasn't aware of - I don't agree all those points but I will leave it there. As for this image, I do like devil Nozomi :)
last edited at Jun 16, 2017 4:26PM
Nezchan
Jun 16, 2017 12:42PM
Could you two please take this to some other location? You're cluttering up the images discussion quite badly, and by now it's barely related to the image itself.
elevown
Jun 16, 2017 4:26PM
^ Sorry about that - I deleted my last wall of text since you are right Nez. It would be nice if there was a way to pm people on the forum when you want to send a long reply but this wasn't the place for it.
I will say though, It's a shame, due to their stance, there isn't more work by this artist translated, since I like their style.
Mimiyaah Jun 10, 2017 11:01PM
Total bottom ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
RoyceAxle Jun 10, 2017 11:47PM
Dang Eli, she's just trying to get you into the mood.
（＾∇＾）
Homura E.N.D Jun 11, 2017 1:20AM
Demon top Nozomi?
Doujinshi, right now.
hinata0604 Jun 11, 2017 3:16AM
I wonder what part of "無断転載・無断使用・加工・自作発言禁止" from the author's twitter profile is hard to understand for these scanlators. It's the main reason no one has basically translated/scanlated anything from this author.
yuikumari Jun 11, 2017 3:25AM
ii love this <3
HopeFromYuri Jun 11, 2017 4:56AM
I need more. Guess I'll just have to write it
DarkLordofYuri Jun 11, 2017 5:46AM
Need a full doujin of this!
whiterose- Jun 11, 2017 10:15AM
WE NEED MORE CONTENT FROM THIS AUTHOR AAAAAA
((top nozomi is best nozomi))
mint-leaf Jun 11, 2017 10:51AM
(sweats) I wasn't ready for this much zawawa in a day help
elevown Jun 14, 2017 3:29AM
^ hinata0604 - I would never try to make money off someone else's work but I don't see a problem translating something even if the author says that - because without translation it denies the same freedom to enjoy it to the rest of the world who don't speak the language.
And I don't think even the author has a right to say 'only for Japanese people'.
And if you want to go on a purely legal basis, they have no copyright since they don't own Eli or Nozomi.
I think most of the time you should try to respect the creators wishes though- like if the Japanese original was put on another site and they expressly asked them to remove it, they probably should?
Its a bit of a grey area - I think all doujin makers accept that their stuff is gonna be scanned and put online. They make their money selling the physical copies at comicon's /in shops etc. It is just part of the way it is, and as far as I know most are not going to worry or complain about it - especially with doujins / fan works, when they also have no legal right to use said material and only can because the copyright owners all unofficially agree to let them.
last edited at Jun 14, 2017 3:47AM
BlueMoonScans Jun 16, 2017 8:47AM
Actually you're wrong about the "make their money" doing doujins because it's actually the opposite. A lot of these artist do it because they love doing what they do, not because they generate money from it. In fact, ater you take in account the registration fees, printing fees, helper fees, transportation and material costs, they end up losing money. And no, they don't "accept that it's going to be put online", they just don't know it's being put up online. And when they do find out, scanlation groups block IP adresses from Japan so that the makerscan't request their work to be taken off the website.
The reason they are allowed to make doujin off official characters/shows is because they don't generate profit from it, they expand the audience of the show, and the most important part is that they don't take away from the main series. When their work gets published online without their permission and the owners of the copyrighted material have a problem with the circulation, it's the creator of the doujin, not the scanlation group, that gets into trouble.
A lot of mangaka and doujinsha have expressed corncerns over what we do with their work. Some don't even sell to foreigners anymore because their work ends up online. And it's not that they have "only for Japanese people" attitude, it's that the work itself is only special when it's concentrated in one area. Like with doujins, the book that you buy is limited in quantities and will never be mass produced, it's a special kind of item. Uploading it online makes it lose the "specialness" and worse yet it's put somewhere beyond the control of the mangaka or doujinsha.
You really should ask for permission before posting any of this up. How would you feel if you made something, ask for it not to be shared, someone shares it without your permission and then you get into trouble for those re-uploads that you have no control over?
elevown Jun 16, 2017 11:50AM
Thanks for the reply - was some stuff there I wasn't aware of - I don't agree all those points but I will leave it there. As for this image, I do like devil Nozomi :)
last edited at Jun 16, 2017 4:26PM
Nezchan Jun 16, 2017 12:42PM
Could you two please take this to some other location? You're cluttering up the images discussion quite badly, and by now it's barely related to the image itself.
elevown Jun 16, 2017 4:26PM
^ Sorry about that - I deleted my last wall of text since you are right Nez. It would be nice if there was a way to pm people on the forum when you want to send a long reply but this wasn't the place for it.
I will say though, It's a shame, due to their stance, there isn't more work by this artist translated, since I like their style.
last edited at Jun 17, 2017 3:36AM
Christmas Jan 10, 2021 4:49PM
"Total bottom" XD
juanelric Jan 11, 2021 12:04PM
Lewd