im not really into ships that comes from animes with no subtext is awesome when that yuri bait becomes real in the form of a doujin or when the subtext turns into full yuri but when a series has this beatifull het couple like nio x simon and has this beautifull ending i feel like the yuri is no needed or asked well thats just my thoughts maybe some people do like this kind of ships
Faust
Oct 22, 2016 10:16PM
^ tl;dr: you think yuri is great when you ship it, but not as great when you don't ship it (given that you ship one of the characters with someone else).
Regardless of yuri, that's just how shipping works tbh, even if you're more biased with yuri.
Norainhere
Oct 22, 2016 10:24PM
To be honest the only reason I requested this one was because why not? It's less of a "OMG this is my OTP" as it is "Where the hell did this come from lol".
Nezchan
Oct 22, 2016 10:27PM
Can't remember, do the two of them even have a conversation in the anime?
Random_Bird
Oct 23, 2016 12:15AM
I seem to recall Yoko getting angry at Nia once for being insensitive about Kamina. Other than that they don't talk much.
ari-chan
Oct 23, 2016 11:25AM
@Benja
I agree. It a bit annoying to me to make them when there's such a beautiful between Simon and Nia. @Faust It's not about not shipping them, it's just similar to that feeling when there's a cannon (or close) yuri ship and people still put the pairing with het.
Faust
Oct 23, 2016 3:28PM
Same thing. It's still about shipping. Ppl are allowed to not support canon couples, even if their reason for it is a frustrating bias. It's not even about yuri, Nia could've been drawn here with another guy and you would've felt similarly
Vankomycin
Oct 23, 2016 9:36PM
I'm new at this, so I find this conversation confusing. What do we mean by "shipping" in this context?
I guess when I think of "shipping", I think of creating media which features a particular pairing. I am writing A Thing featuring Saejima and Ichiha from Valkyrie Drive, so I am shipping those two.
Contextually from this conversation and from other conversations here, however, I infer that I am possibly defining the term incorrectly.
Nezchan
Oct 23, 2016 9:52PM
Yeah, "shipping" doesn't require actually creating media. It's the fan speculation of two (or more) characters being together, sometimes even when they actually do get together in the series (so it's possible for people so 'ship Simon and Nia if that's their preferred arrangement).
Nezchan
Oct 23, 2016 9:54PM
That said, this is the sort of thing I'd consider a "crack ship" since there's almost nothing in the source material to work from other than both are female. It's an "out of left field" thing that most people wouldn't expect. Which, I hasten to add, doesn't make it bad or anything. Just tremendously unexpected.
Vankomycin
Oct 23, 2016 11:12PM
Ah. So the people who are annoyed by this ship are simply annoyed that other people Aren't Having Fun Properly?
Like, I am trying to fathom why anybody would legitimately give a shit. You see a pairing you don't like, you shrug and move on, right?
Nezchan
Oct 23, 2016 11:22PM
Well, people aren't that tidy about things, as Love Live fandom teaches us. As for this ship, the unexpectedness has a lot to do with it, I think. And I do think it's understandable that people would like there to be some sort of justification for the pairing to happen at all, beyond "existed in same series".
Vankomycin
Oct 23, 2016 11:30PM
Well, I mean, I can understand "I do not like this pairing."
It's the bit where it seems to cross over into "...and you shouldn't either" that confounds me.
Nevri
Oct 24, 2016 3:52AM
Vankomycin
You see a pairing you don't like, you shrug and move on, right?
That is sane reaction to it. Sadly romance of a fictional characters is a serious business to many people.
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Vankomycin
Oct 24, 2016 6:47AM
I confess I do have fond (for some value of "fond") memories of the Harry x Hermione fans who actually put together a petition to have J.K Rowling's publisher prevent her from writing Book 7, and instead let one of their favorite Harry x Hermione fanfic authors write Book 7, because (according to them) the fact that Harry x Ginny and Ron x Hermione was official and canon clearly indicated that J.K. Rowling didn't understand her own characters well enough to be allowed to write Book 7.
Quite possibly the most ludicrous, most reality-challenged thing I have ever seen in my nearly half-a-century on this planet.
last edited at Oct 24, 2016 6:55AM
ZuljinRaynor
Oct 24, 2016 9:27AM
While I do really like Nia x Simon, I am okay with and all for this pairing.
ari-chan
Oct 24, 2016 11:48AM
Nervi
That is sane reaction to it. Sadly romance of a fictional characters is a serious business to many people.
I mean isn't your offense by it equally as serious? I wouldnt have said anything if others hadn't already brought it up I just found the discussion interesting.
Faust I'm not saying people can't ship these two, or other pairings I disagree with. I wouldn't even say it's a bad ship because its not really the ship itself I dislike, it's just when people force ships outside of their sexuality that I dislike. Stupid I know, it applies more to yuri than anything else.
Nevri
Oct 24, 2016 7:19PM
ari-chan My offense by what? People taking it too seriously? I'm only offended by it, when they insult other people who disagree, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.
none
Oct 24, 2016 7:26PM
it's just when people force ships outside of their sexuality that I dislike.
So, like 90% of shipping, in every fandom, ever.
Norainhere
Oct 24, 2016 7:32PM
I really want expecting this type of huge ass discussion on shipping when I suggested this
Polycell
Oct 24, 2016 8:03PM
It really seems to me like the artist drew what they thought was hawt instead of actually shipping the characters. It's not an unforgivable sin, but it's something categorically different.
ari-chan
Oct 25, 2016 12:32AM
@Nervi
Okay then, that's understandable.
@none
I wouldn't say so. If there's a grown so for shipping it then I wouldn't call it forcing. I mean when two characters who show no interest in each other are shipped solely for their to be het/ gay, that's when it bothers me.
Norainhere
I didn't mean to make it into one, I just wanted to discuss a difference in opinion but it doesn't seem like that will amount to anything so I'll stop now.
Vankomycin
Oct 25, 2016 9:12AM
it's just when people force ships outside of their sexuality that I dislike.
So, like 90% of shipping, in every fandom, ever.
Many years ago, I had an assistant manager who was a huge Harry Potter geek. She avidly read all the books, went to the midnight releases parties, the whole bit.
And she was a massive, massive Remus Lupin/Sirius Black shipper. Used to go on and on about how it was SO OBVIOUS IT WAS PRACTICALLY CANON OMG.
At the time, I hadn't read any of the books, so I was like "Eh, whatevs". But then later on I got around to reading the books. And when I got to The Prisoner of Azkaban, I dove in, looking forward to finding out how this OMG SO GAY couple worked out on the page.
And when I finished the book I blinked a couple of times. "Did I miss all the gay?", I wondered. 'cause I sure as hell didn't see any.
So the next time I saw her after that, I asked her. "Which were the specific bits that make them the gayest couple in Harry Potter?"
Turns out it was a single hug between the two men near the end of the book. That was her canon evidence.
Let's just say that I did not find her arguments persuasive.
Nevri
Oct 25, 2016 12:40PM
That is pretty much how yaoi fandom started. Saint Seiya had almost no females and a ton of bishounens, so potential was there and girls started to ship them. Obviously, not a single character was confirmed gay (from what I know).
Nezchan
Oct 25, 2016 12:50PM
^ Entire cast is Geki's harem.
yuikumari
Oct 25, 2016 2:27PM
blue nd red go gewd together
Norainhere
Oct 18, 2018 3:44AM
I found the source for this! Well, mostly - for some reason the version of the picture on Dynasty has Nia's nipple missing.
benja Oct 22, 2016 9:40PM
im not really into ships that comes from animes with no subtext is awesome when that yuri bait becomes real in the form of a doujin or when the subtext turns into full yuri but when a series has this beatifull het couple like nio x simon and has this beautifull ending i feel like the yuri is no needed or asked well thats just my thoughts maybe some people do like this kind of ships
Faust Oct 22, 2016 10:16PM
^ tl;dr: you think yuri is great when you ship it, but not as great when you don't ship it (given that you ship one of the characters with someone else).
Regardless of yuri, that's just how shipping works tbh, even if you're more biased with yuri.
Norainhere Oct 22, 2016 10:24PM
To be honest the only reason I requested this one was because why not? It's less of a "OMG this is my OTP" as it is "Where the hell did this come from lol".
Nezchan Oct 22, 2016 10:27PM
Can't remember, do the two of them even have a conversation in the anime?
Random_Bird Oct 23, 2016 12:15AM
I seem to recall Yoko getting angry at Nia once for being insensitive about Kamina. Other than that they don't talk much.
ari-chan Oct 23, 2016 11:25AM
@Benja
I agree. It a bit annoying to me to make them when there's such a beautiful between Simon and Nia.
@Faust It's not about not shipping them, it's just similar to that feeling when there's a cannon (or close) yuri ship and people still put the pairing with het.
Faust Oct 23, 2016 3:28PM
Same thing. It's still about shipping. Ppl are allowed to not support canon couples, even if their reason for it is a frustrating bias. It's not even about yuri, Nia could've been drawn here with another guy and you would've felt similarly
Vankomycin Oct 23, 2016 9:36PM
I'm new at this, so I find this conversation confusing. What do we mean by "shipping" in this context?
I guess when I think of "shipping", I think of creating media which features a particular pairing. I am writing A Thing featuring Saejima and Ichiha from Valkyrie Drive, so I am shipping those two.
Contextually from this conversation and from other conversations here, however, I infer that I am possibly defining the term incorrectly.
Nezchan Oct 23, 2016 9:52PM
Yeah, "shipping" doesn't require actually creating media. It's the fan speculation of two (or more) characters being together, sometimes even when they actually do get together in the series (so it's possible for people so 'ship Simon and Nia if that's their preferred arrangement).
Nezchan Oct 23, 2016 9:54PM
That said, this is the sort of thing I'd consider a "crack ship" since there's almost nothing in the source material to work from other than both are female. It's an "out of left field" thing that most people wouldn't expect. Which, I hasten to add, doesn't make it bad or anything. Just tremendously unexpected.
Vankomycin Oct 23, 2016 11:12PM
Ah. So the people who are annoyed by this ship are simply annoyed that other people Aren't Having Fun Properly?
Like, I am trying to fathom why anybody would legitimately give a shit. You see a pairing you don't like, you shrug and move on, right?
Nezchan Oct 23, 2016 11:22PM
Well, people aren't that tidy about things, as Love Live fandom teaches us. As for this ship, the unexpectedness has a lot to do with it, I think. And I do think it's understandable that people would like there to be some sort of justification for the pairing to happen at all, beyond "existed in same series".
Vankomycin Oct 23, 2016 11:30PM
Well, I mean, I can understand "I do not like this pairing."
It's the bit where it seems to cross over into "...and you shouldn't either" that confounds me.
Nevri Oct 24, 2016 3:52AM
That is sane reaction to it. Sadly romance of a fictional characters is a serious business to many people.
last edited at Oct 24, 2016 3:54AM
Vankomycin Oct 24, 2016 6:47AM
I confess I do have fond (for some value of "fond") memories of the Harry x Hermione fans who actually put together a petition to have J.K Rowling's publisher prevent her from writing Book 7, and instead let one of their favorite Harry x Hermione fanfic authors write Book 7, because (according to them) the fact that Harry x Ginny and Ron x Hermione was official and canon clearly indicated that J.K. Rowling didn't understand her own characters well enough to be allowed to write Book 7.
Quite possibly the most ludicrous, most reality-challenged thing I have ever seen in my nearly half-a-century on this planet.
last edited at Oct 24, 2016 6:55AM
ZuljinRaynor Oct 24, 2016 9:27AM
While I do really like Nia x Simon, I am okay with and all for this pairing.
ari-chan Oct 24, 2016 11:48AM
I mean isn't your offense by it equally as serious? I wouldnt have said anything if others hadn't already brought it up I just found the discussion interesting.
Faust I'm not saying people can't ship these two, or other pairings I disagree with. I wouldn't even say it's a bad ship because its not really the ship itself I dislike, it's just when people force ships outside of their sexuality that I dislike. Stupid I know, it applies more to yuri than anything else.
Nevri Oct 24, 2016 7:19PM
ari-chan My offense by what? People taking it too seriously? I'm only offended by it, when they insult other people who disagree, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.
none Oct 24, 2016 7:26PM
So, like 90% of shipping, in every fandom, ever.
Norainhere Oct 24, 2016 7:32PM
I really want expecting this type of huge ass discussion on shipping when I suggested this
Polycell Oct 24, 2016 8:03PM
It really seems to me like the artist drew what they thought was hawt instead of actually shipping the characters. It's not an unforgivable sin, but it's something categorically different.
ari-chan Oct 25, 2016 12:32AM
@Nervi
Okay then, that's understandable.
@none
I wouldn't say so. If there's a grown so for shipping it then I wouldn't call it forcing. I mean when two characters who show no interest in each other are shipped solely for their to be het/ gay, that's when it bothers me.
Norainhere
I didn't mean to make it into one, I just wanted to discuss a difference in opinion but it doesn't seem like that will amount to anything so I'll stop now.
Vankomycin Oct 25, 2016 9:12AM
Many years ago, I had an assistant manager who was a huge Harry Potter geek. She avidly read all the books, went to the midnight releases parties, the whole bit.
And she was a massive, massive Remus Lupin/Sirius Black shipper. Used to go on and on about how it was SO OBVIOUS IT WAS PRACTICALLY CANON OMG.
At the time, I hadn't read any of the books, so I was like "Eh, whatevs". But then later on I got around to reading the books. And when I got to The Prisoner of Azkaban, I dove in, looking forward to finding out how this OMG SO GAY couple worked out on the page.
And when I finished the book I blinked a couple of times. "Did I miss all the gay?", I wondered. 'cause I sure as hell didn't see any.
So the next time I saw her after that, I asked her. "Which were the specific bits that make them the gayest couple in Harry Potter?"
Turns out it was a single hug between the two men near the end of the book. That was her canon evidence.
Let's just say that I did not find her arguments persuasive.
Nevri Oct 25, 2016 12:40PM
That is pretty much how yaoi fandom started. Saint Seiya had almost no females and a ton of bishounens, so potential was there and girls started to ship them. Obviously, not a single character was confirmed gay (from what I know).
Nezchan Oct 25, 2016 12:50PM
^ Entire cast is Geki's harem.
yuikumari Oct 25, 2016 2:27PM
blue nd red go gewd together
Norainhere Oct 18, 2018 3:44AM
I found the source for this! Well, mostly - for some reason the version of the picture on Dynasty has Nia's nipple missing.